I think that was the reference. You forget though, the banner was flown when Butch was taking us through a pretty bad probation. Through that, Butch still has a better win percentage than Mario.
Yep, that’s why I said it. Butch was a suspect to below average game day coach. Like Mario he needed a talent advantage to cover up his coaching deficiencies. The one area I give him a big advantage is hiring a staff. Both stacks talent, Butch more with evaluating. Mario needs to load up the roster and create his culture. He’s not the schematic type that can make a quick jump start to a program. We knew his pros and cons when he was hired. Some have lost track of that.
I actually don’t think Mario sold us anything tbh. Did he not say multiple times this was going to take a long time? He repeatedly said our talent isn’t where it should be. Now - we shouldn’t be losing like this that’s for **** sure, but that’s not solely on the coaches. It’s on the players as well - maybe not to the same level, but it’s a significant portion.
I wasn‘t selling jack , I was the one arguing we could lose to anyone on the schedule if we didn’t play well and had major holes on the team. We couldn’t afford any injuries. I still think this is an 8-9 win team if healthy and had better schematic coaching. The coaching has been as bad or worse than the players. Btw Mario Mario wasnt talking rebuilds until the losses started.
That’s why I edited to some insiders. I know you were real about it since day 1.
I wasn’t my normal sunshine pumping *** this year because I saw the two deep and wasn’t delusional. We have a pathetic schedule and that’s the only reason I was somewhat positive with the 8-9 win stuff.
The other side of the coin, however…who scares you on offense or defense if you’re an opposing head coach? Like let’s be real here: TVD and Colbie ok, Mallory when he’s healthy sure…who else? K Smiff? Brinson? Ladson? Redding? Opposing defenses disrespect our running attack every game because they know we can’t move the ball on the ground, so the entire backfield and o line aren’t intimidating.
Every elite team in P5 football has a star studded roster that win with great coaching but I'm not sure I can recall an elite P5 team in recent memory that had great coaching with a lackluster roster. Butch couldn't do it at UNC
True there is a coaching issue but this staff has success on their records. This roster has had the same results everywhere even the ones that have portaled out
Lots of coaches have success on their records and fail miserably. We also have coaches on staff who aren’t as proven as others or have had success and huge failures in their time at other programs.
no one ever gets that in college anymore and with the portal, you can very quickly lose your top guys the moment it continues going south. I dont disagree that Mario can be successful here, but hes gonna need to do it quicker than he thinks bc the patience by everyone isnt where it was back then w butch (even fans hated him) where he had actual issues that harmed his success (sanctions and scholarships removed) where as Mario has more than any coach has ever gotten here for him and his staff and new facilities being built
Butch had a good roster at UNC but it wasn‘t good enough to cover up what he was as a coach. That’s the problem. Good to great coaches take less talent and do more. A coach like Bill Snyder would coach circles around Butch.
I agree with you but I also believe our biggest issue is our roster. I hate it bc I believe most of our players really want to win. I believe you or dmoney wrote about recruiting nationally. It's exactly what needs to happen with this roster overhaul. " Sofla dogs" has become a figure of speech with some recruits. Most of our best players in recent years have been out of state or transfers. This maybe the largest attrition in off-season coming up with some coaching changes. Hold on
I totally agree about the roster, but I know what Mario is and he needs better players to be successful. He’s not some guru who’s going to scheme you up on a Saturday to cover up the talent discrepancies and get a new program up and going fast. I said this when he was hired. I know what he is.
Yes but Butch just like other stuff coaches( Saban,Swinney,Smart etc) poured a core foundation in a program that wasn't pretty at first but held up for long term success. Coker was able to ride that core until he let the flame go out. I'm 100% sure we would have 1 maybe 2 more wins now if we hired a razzle and dazzle staff but I'm looking for the long haul. We've waited this long why not
When Mario was hired I said I’ll take the toughness and recruiting knowing what he is as a game day coach. He’ll load this roster up , make the players mentally and physically tough. He’ll also win 9-11 games a year consistently when its up and running. Making a run at a playoff every 4-5 years. On the negative his offenses will be suspect at times and we’ll drop a head scratcher game 1-2 times a year. That’s the ceiling and accepted that coming in. Like I said “ I know what he is“.
I'm good with it
I'm good with that with the exception that Mario can still evolve into a more open minded coach schematically once the foundation is done which could elevate us to an elite level but you can't build a skyscraper on wet sand