Can’t Put Lipstick on a Pig and Think She’ll Win the Beauty Pageant.

[gogeta4]

I think the culture is being severely underplayed. I‘m only saying it because I know Corey and Chris. Chris would tell me **** that blew my ******* mind about a lot of these guys. I talked to him Tuesday and he told me how UNC is a night to day difference. UNC! a bunch of ******* 3 stars care more about winning than these losers.

If you really want to think that, because it likely makes you sleep better at night...by all means.

I couldn't disagree more.

Lane was 5-5 at Ole Miss, 8-4 at USC, and 7-6 at Tennessee in his first year at those stops. You're on another planet if you think Lane is doing any better. Would we be more entertaining on offense? Maybe. Would we still be exactly where we're at? I can not see a single piece of evidence that suggests otherwise.

Lane Kiffin is not scheming up 9 pts at Tx am and playing to keep a game close for a sentimental victory instead of actually winning. Lane Kiffin has maybe 1 lost on this szn at this point...and im going on a limb..Manny Diaz with Lashlee with this same team has a better record.

 

[Canesrule230]

Everybody leaving this one off but Mario also lost to a bad 3-9 Stanford team last year

Good point - Honestly my biggest fear is how the team stopped playing for Mario in this game. It looked just like the clemson game where al golden got fired. If he's lost this team this early what does that say moving forward.

 

[BoxingRobes]

How much talent does Miami need to beat Duke?

And when are the Coaches supposed to be held responsible for that talent?

I mean, idk. Like I just posted...we've gone 2-3 against Duke over the past five seasons. That is 3 head coaches, brother.

We just keep bringing in 4 and 5 stars and no matter the coach, they continue to under perform.

When are the players supposed to be held responsible for their play on the field? Was it Rhett Lashlee (who everyone thinks is good for some reason), Rob Likens fault our WRs couldn't catch a football then? Is it Josh Gattis' fault guys that the WRs in this program still can't catch footballs and it takes no name transfers to provide us with anything close to consistent play at the position (literally 3 out of the past 4 years a no name transfer comes in and is our best WR).

You can blame Mario all you want. As I said, I don't care. But if I gotta be the guy to chime in on every thread that the players also suck...I guess I gotta do what I gotta do. Maybe there is a reason no one actually wants to coach here except former players, guys that would never get a chance anywhere else, and guys that otherwise coach at Tatooine State in college football. The whole place stinks right now and has for 20 years...maybe that stink don't go away.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Lane Kiffin is not scheming up 9 pts at Tx am and playing to keep a game close for a sentimental victory instead of actually winning. Lane Kiffin has maybe 1 lost on this szn at this point...and im going on a limb..Manny Diaz with Lashlee with this same team has a better record.

I don't agree with that at all...he was pretty **** in every year one at every stop he's made in the P5.

 

[Canesrule230]

I don't agree with that at all...he was pretty **** in every year one at every stop he's made in the P5.

Yea because the schedule Ole Miss played in 2020 is equal to the garbage schedule we've played this year right? This staff on that 2020 Ole Miss squad is lucky to win 4 games.

 

[gogeta4]

I'm well aware that Pete Garcia is an *******. Nonetheless Mario went 3-9 in year 6 and that made Pete's decision that much easier. You can't go 3-9 in year 6.

He was 3-9 and his team/players were quitting on him as well. Also got bullied by their main rival routinely who didnt recruit nearly as the same level as he did at FIU

 

[BS85]

I don’t get the whole either/or thing here. It can be the coaches AND the players.

The players fumbled, missed tackles, dropped passes, etc.

But the coaches’ job is to clean that stuff up and get the players ready to execute their assignments.

Again, the teams Miami is losing to (with the exception of aTm), would kill to have Miami’s players on their roster.

With a team this ******, it has to be both

 

[BoxingRobes]

1. The problem with Gattis' offense is clear - he wants to run his offense as opposed to tailoring it to Miami's personnel. Anyone with half a brain could see that this offense would not work with this group of players. You don't throw a season away because you want to run your offense. You build an offense around what you have and gradually change it as you recruit the personnel you want year by year. Instead it took him way too long into the season to adjust and we lost prime opportunities to win games early on (MTSU, A&M)

2. Mario also lost to teams with inferior talent in the pac 12 (utah twice in one season) and oregon wasn't exactly crying a river when he bailed. Ultimately I don't have a giant problem with Mario at the moment, his game management skills could be improved but that's nitpicking. I do think he will have to choose whether he wants to support running this same offense with the personnel we have and risk an unsuccessful tenure here or make a change to adjust to our natural recruiting strengths.

3. NCs - dude its easy to win NCs at Alabama when your roster is loaded with 5 stars every year. No one is asking for a NC - we just want to beat the likes of MTSU and Duke - that's not too hard to ask for. MTSU has lost to UTSA, UAB, and Western Kentucky - you're really gonna tell me the players we have aren't good enough to start at any of those places?... If they had lost just to MTSU you can write it off as an aberration but with the season we're having its now a predictable pattern that this team will continue to underachieve.

4.
Evidence 1: There was a 61 PT difference in score between last year and this year with Duke. Jeez man how much more evidence of regression do you need?
Evidence 2: 2021 Miami averaged 34.1 pts per game, 2022 Miami is averaging 29.3 pts per game - and this is with an easier schedule this year and the bulk of our "hard" schedule left to play... these numbers are likely to get worse with low score outputs expected with clemson and pitt still on deck.
Evidence 3: The team flat out quit today, 8 turnovers man. You can sit there and say "oh the players are soft and quit" but bottomline is 2021 Miami players didn't quit on Manny. They lost games but they never quit on him... I haven't seen a Miami team quit like that since Golden - and that should scare everyone and make you question our leadership

Like I said these players aren't going to win a natty but this coaching staff is making this team look worse than it is.

1. There were people that are considered incredibly great posters who were saying the QB had a command of this offense and the offense was poised to do big things in the off-season. Go look that up. Also, we were 7-5 with an offense that had 6.13 yards per play. We currently have 6 yards per play. Perhaps what we have on offense is crap regardless of what we run.

2. Mario never lost to an MTSU type team...this group has lost to numerous MTSU type teams over the years. None of the issues that Mario have are new. We all knew he'd have plenty of clunkers and has game management issues...but he didn't lose to MTSU type teams...a few Duke type Ls, but our past three head coaches have taken Ls to Duke.

3. It seems like its pretty hard to ask to beat G5 schools at Miami. Also, many of our players when they transfer, also stink and don't always start...to assuming a bunch of our players will magically be good elsewhere doesn't really track. This has been a consistent trend for Miami players...I can only think of one player that went on to be much better elsewhere then here...Arthur Brown. We have had lots of stinky players here over the years...and most of those stinky players when they transfer continue to stink. Crazy, I know.

4. Miami has been 2-3 against Duke over the past 5 years. They've traded wins for half a decade. ... if you asked me if Miami scored 30ppg this year, I'd call you a liar...I'm shocked the number is that high tbh. Imagine if players held on to the football, didn't commit penalties, etc. etc. You know, stuff thats not even coaching related. ... Not the first time I've seen this same group of players quit, tbh. Doesn't shock me. I've seen some of these guys quit every year since they got here.

 

[gogeta4]

How much talent does Miami need to beat Duke?

And when are the Coaches supposed to be held responsible for that talent?

We dont need talent my boy @Liberty City El ...We need C U L T U R E.

WTF are we a Migos album or some sh*t?.

 

[DiegoCane]

What do you want, b...the 4 and 5 star recruits stink, too.

We're just reincarnating Lance Leggett, Ryan Moore, and Marcus Forston at this point.

David Cutcliffe beat these same jabrones taking the field. Your boy DJ Ivey been getting cooked by Duke and G5 schools since before the Chinese cooked up a bioweapon in Wuhan.

A 61pt swing from Manny vs Cutcliffe to Mario vs Elko. **** that is ugly.

Besides the mythical recruiting which we haven’t seen produce on the field, Mario has been worse then Shannon, Golden, Richt, Manny. Pretty crazy but true

 

[NOLACane21]

And their mom, Gloria.

Say what you will but she is a survivor.

 

[1983cane]

Real quick, I want to start by saying that there is no excuse for some of Mario’s hires, or the manner in which we’ve lost to teams that are (on paper) inferior. The money we’ve spent compared to the results is absolutely hysterical. Gattis is a full-fledged failure, Addae is a liability both on and off the field, Steele isn’t too far behind (3rd and 13 and 4th and 9, we’re dropping our secondary 20 yds deep? WHY???), Ponce is useless, etc. That’s 100% on Mario, and he’ll have to certainly make changes in the off-season if we expect to right the ship.

But for those who are calling for Mario’s head or blaming the coaches 100%…I mean guys: the product is right there in front of you. You seriously can’t tell me that these kids aren’t deserving of blame?

We were led to believe that these players had turned the corner in the off-season and fall. Y’all know the usual culprits by now - well that ends today. This roster reeks of Manny pu$$yism - they quit at the First sign of adversity, missed tackles galore, terrible angles, dropped passes…I mean it’s glaringly apparent that 70% of these guys aren’t good. Same mistakes as teams in the past. In fact all those ballers everyone loves to hype up - Ke’Shawn, Knighton, Garcia, Campbell, Tae, JWill, Seymore, etc. - they all stink. So yes - Mario is to blame for A LOT of these issues. But this team is rotten, from their work ethic (or lackthereof, plenty of validating posts on that) to their football IQ (yeah, most of these guys are idiots and don’t care) to their actual talent. There’s no denying it anymore. Trash only has a certain ceiling.

Everyone wants a quick fix - well guess what, it ain’t happening. Firing Mario? You’re an idiot if you think that’ll solve something. The Pac-12 isn’t elite, but it’s a better conference than the ACC - that’s just a fact. If he can build a program there, he can build one here. Mario has faults, and he needs to overhaul a lot of mistakes in season 1 rapidly - but make no mistake he can win here.

(Lane could have too, just wanted to sneak that in one last time…chooo chooo mf’s).

This is going to take a long time, 2+ recruiting classes realistically. And I don’t want to hear any excuses about wins being a deterrent in recruiting if Mario is so elite. There is no room for error, no 3-star S. FLA crapshoots. We need guys ready to play now. Until then, let’s just hope Mario makes the necessary changes - starting with the OC, all the way down to asking 20-25 players to kick rocks.

Attack the portal like Sparty did and open up the check book - we’re going to need it.

Others have said..

Well Oregon looked pretty good today against an improved UCLA squad

Miami just got doorstep in the 4th quarter by Duke....

It's not just on coaches where is the pride of not wanting to lose.


We have to hope that Mario will recruit people
that actually want to win and have pride.

 

[Edward20]

Everybody leaving this one off but Mario also lost to a bad 3-9 Stanford team last year

He was only in his 4th year. He didn't have enough recruiting classes yet to be expected to beat a power like Stanford

 

[CANEMC]

What’s Rad and Highsmith gonna do about these bullshyt coaches?

 

[swampcougar1]

Yes you can put lipstick and chanel# 5 on a pig and it is still a pig

 

[razrcane]

Dudes don’t understand. Kiffin, Stoops, Leipold, whoever would be 3-4 here.

This team has a bunch of losers on it’s wh’s behavior was allowed to grow because they had an even bigger loser in a HC with Diaz. They play like it and you can bet they probably prepare like it as well. You can go and say “oh Duke has a new coach” or whatever you want. Did that Duke team look like they had a bunch of losers out there? Did they lose all hope and pout after that fumble? Nope. Our guys did though.

That’s why that “it’s the coaches” argument is a bunch of bull****. Name one time Oregon absolutely quit on Mario. I‘ll sit here and wait. All of the sudden though he at Miami and it’s his fault that he‘s surrounded by weak minded dweebs. These losers have quit in 3 games this year but yet “it’s the coaches” when this staff literally has NCAA championship coaches on it.

It’s going take years to wipe the loser stench out of the Hecht.

 

[Canesrule230]

1. There were people that are considered incredibly great posters who were saying the QB had a command of this offense and the offense was poised to do big things in the off-season. Go look that up. Also, we were 7-5 with an offense that had 6.13 yards per play. We currently have 6 yards per play. Perhaps what we have on offense is crap regardless of what we run.

2. Mario never lost to an MTSU type team...this group has lost to numerous MTSU type teams over the years. None of the issues that Mario have are new. We all knew he'd have plenty of clunkers and has game management issues...but he didn't lose to MTSU type teams...a few Duke type Ls, but our past three head coaches have taken Ls to Duke.

3. It seems like its pretty hard to ask to beat G5 schools at Miami. Also, many of our players when they transfer, also stink and don't always start...to assuming a bunch of our players will magically be good elsewhere doesn't really track. This has been a consistent trend for Miami players...I can only think of one player that went on to be much better elsewhere then here...Arthur Brown. We have had lots of stinky players here over the years...and most of those stinky players when they transfer continue to stink. Crazy, I know.

4. Miami has been 2-3 against Duke over the past 5 years. They've traded wins for half a decade. ... if you asked me if Miami scored 30ppg this year, I'd call you a liar...I'm shocked the number is that high tbh. Imagine if players held on to the football, didn't commit penalties, etc. etc. You know, stuff thats not even coaching related. ... Not the first time I've seen this same group of players quit, tbh. Doesn't shock me. I've seen some of these guys quit every year since they got here.

1. I don't care about YPP. Yards don't win games, points do. And gattis has shown he can't do anything in the redzone. Worse yet his offense this year has been responsible for points being scored on us a heck of a lot this year (MTSU scores 35 instead of 45 if our offense didn't turn the ball over so much). I don't know why you keep defending Gattis. His offense has regressed, heck even in the YPP stat that you just threw there his offense is still worse. And lets be clear Pts win games not yds... Lashlee scored more consistently.

2. Oregon also lost to a 3-9 Stanford team, a 2-5 oregon state team, and a 1-3 cal team. What's the next excuse? Let me guess... Covid year can't be counted. You also keep bringing up "this group losing to numerous MTSU types". Dude you're using losses from 2019 as your argument for this "group" of kids sucking. There's literally like 10 kids on this team that were on that roster and they were pups. This "group" of kids led us to 8-3 and 7-5 campaigns. You're trying way too hard to make a point that's not there

3. Lmao so your argument is that we don't have talent because players that left miami because they weren't good enough here aren't good enough anywhere else... so we must not have talent. And these kids left because they weren't getting enough PT here... so the talent that we have here must better than what left no? Lol lets use something that tracks talent a little bit better! We have the 23rd most amount of players on active rosters at the moment. Sure its not where we were in our hey dey but the nfl seems to think that we still produce top 25 talent.

4. Oh don't you worry its that high because we scored 77 on BCU. Take that out... and lets just say we're pretty awful. And the penalties... that's a sign of an undisciplined football aka a badly coached football team... in case you didn't know. And lol how did I know that you would say that the kid are bad rah rah rah when they quit. Like I said, they never quit on Manny. They didn't play good but they never quit playing hard. This team looked like an Al Golden coached team playing uninspired. And if that doesn't tell you about the leadership they have you my friend are willingly putting on blinders to the situation.

 

[19Trojan]

I don’t get the whole either/or thing here. It can be the coaches AND the players.

The players fumbled, missed tackles, dropped passes, etc.

But the coaches’ job is to clean that stuff up and get the players ready to execute their assignments.

Again, the teams Miami is losing to (with the exception of aTm), would kill to have Miami’s players on their roster.

It is coaches job to clean up but looks like players could care less. U don’t see anyone ****ed off after a missed tackle or block or dropped pass . Just a high five I’ll get it next time mentality

 

[BoxingRobes]

1. I don't care about YPP. Yards don't win games, points do. And gattis has shown he can't do anything in the redzone. Worse yet his offense this year has been responsible for points being scored on us a heck of a lot this year (MTSU scores 35 instead of 45 if our offense didn't turn the ball over so much). I don't know why you keep defending Gattis. His offense has regressed, heck even in the YPP stat that you just threw there his offense is still worse. And lets be clear Pts win games not yds... Lashlee scored more consistently.

Their offenses have produced close enough where I don't think there is much of a statistical difference, especially in ypp. Also, in the first seven games of 2021, Lashlee's high powered offense scored 32ppg, less than a field goal difference. If you take away Lashlee's CCSU (and Gattis' BCC game) and focused just on FBS programs - 26ppg in the first six games to 23ppg. Both are crap. Lets re-evaluate at the end of the season. I'd hypothesize they are still roughly the same ball park.

2. Oregon also lost to a 3-9 Stanford team, a 2-5 oregon state team, and a 1-3 cal team. What's the next excuse? Let me guess... Covid year can't be counted. You also keep bringing up "this group losing to numerous MTSU types". Dude you're using losses from 2019 as your argument for this "group" of kids sucking. There's literally like 10 kids on this team that were on that roster and they were pups. This "group" of kids led us to 8-3 and 7-5 campaigns. You're trying way too hard to make a point that's not there.

Our two deep has 20 players from those teams. Many of them are starters on the offensive line and defensive back seven as well as our starting TE. Its a very important thing to note that our leadership class on our roster, that play a **** ton, have taken many bad losses over the years. They have a history of not only losing to terrible teams but looking terrible doing it. If you don't think so, its why you fail to see why it goes so way beyond just coaching and that the fact we have 55% Blue Chip Ratio means nothing. The players you think are good, are not, and have shown they are not good for years, plural.

Also, stop calling them kids...they are grown men getting paid to play football.

3. Lmao so your argument is that we don't have talent because players that left miami because they weren't good enough here aren't good enough anywhere else... so we must not have talent. And these kids left because they weren't getting enough PT here... so the talent that we have here must better than what left no? Lol lets use something that tracks talent a little bit better! We have the 23rd most amount of players on active rosters at the moment. Sure its not where we were in our hey dey but the nfl seems to think that we still produce top 25 talent.

My argument is that our "talent" is overrated by the fanbase and its been shown time and time again. Whether its in the NFL Draft or the result on the field, or when they leave they end up still not good players, the roster has been overrated by our fans.

What is your argument? That some coach would magically make these players much better than they are?

4. Oh don't you worry its that high because we scored 77 on BCU. Take that out... and lets just say we're pretty awful. And the penalties... that's a sign of an undisciplined football aka a badly coached football team... in case you didn't know. And lol how did I know that you would say that the kid are bad rah rah rah when they quit. Like I said, they never quit on Manny. They didn't play good but they never quit playing hard. This team looked like an Al Golden coached team playing uninspired. And if that doesn't tell you about the leadership they have you my friend are willingly putting on blinders to the situation.

Read above, I just outlined that Lashlee's offense through 6 games last year was about the same.

Penalties...after this game, we will likely be one of the most penalized teams in college football.

Go check last year...we were one of the most penalized teams in college football. Hey buddy...go check 2020, too.

Want to take a guess at what 2019 looked like? We've been in the deep 100s EVERY.SINGLE.YEAR.

And then you wonder why I bring up what this same group of upperclassmen were like 3 seasons prior? Entire careers dedicated to playing undisciplined football.

They never quit on Manny?

Did you forget UNC putting 1000 yards up on Miami? Did you forget FIU-Duke-LaTech? These boys got a history of quitting. Oh, they didn't quit last year when they were playing coachless teams from Blacksburg and Durham? Cool.

 

[Canes305acc ball]

Real quick, I want to start by saying that there is no excuse for some of Mario’s hires, or the manner in which we’ve lost to teams that are (on paper) inferior. The money we’ve spent compared to the results is absolutely hysterical. Gattis is a full-fledged failure, Addae is a liability both on and off the field, Steele isn’t too far behind (3rd and 13 and 4th and 9, we’re dropping our secondary 20 yds deep? WHY???), Ponce is useless, etc. That’s 100% on Mario, and he’ll have to certainly make changes in the off-season if we expect to right the ship.

But for those who are calling for Mario’s head or blaming the coaches 100%…I mean guys: the product is right there in front of you. You seriously can’t tell me that these kids aren’t deserving of blame?

We were led to believe that these players had turned the corner in the off-season and fall. Y’all know the usual culprits by now - well that ends today. This roster reeks of Manny pu$$yism - they quit at the First sign of adversity, missed tackles galore, terrible angles, dropped passes…I mean it’s glaringly apparent that 70% of these guys aren’t good. Same mistakes as teams in the past. In fact all those ballers everyone loves to hype up - Ke’Shawn, Knighton, Garcia, Campbell, Tae, JWill, Seymore, etc. - they all stink. So yes - Mario is to blame for A LOT of these issues. But this team is rotten, from their work ethic (or lackthereof, plenty of validating posts on that) to their football IQ (yeah, most of these guys are idiots and don’t care) to their actual talent. There’s no denying it anymore. Trash only has a certain ceiling.

Everyone wants a quick fix - well guess what, it ain’t happening. Firing Mario? You’re an idiot if you think that’ll solve something. The Pac-12 isn’t elite, but it’s a better conference than the ACC - that’s just a fact. If he can build a program there, he can build one here. Mario has faults, and he needs to overhaul a lot of mistakes in season 1 rapidly - but make no mistake he can win here.

(Lane could have too, just wanted to sneak that in one last time…chooo chooo mf’s).

This is going to take a long time, 2+ recruiting classes realistically. And I don’t want to hear any excuses about wins being a deterrent in recruiting if Mario is so elite. There is no room for error, no 3-star S. FLA crapshoots. We need guys ready to play now. Until then, let’s just hope Mario makes the necessary changes - starting with the OC, all the way down to asking 20-25 players to kick rocks.

Attack the portal like Sparty did and open up the check book - we’re going to need it.

Manny beat this same team