Callin out names (Long but needs to be said)

Finally the truth. A couple of quotes.

Jimmy Johnson-" I don't want to see film on high school stars. I want to see height and speed. I can add weight and teach football. I can't add height and speed".(Paraphrased)
Bobby Bowden when Butch was hired- "Ooh Butch can recruit better then anyone"
 
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Finally the truth. A couple of quotes.

Jimmy Johnson-" I don't want to see film on high school stars. I want to see height and speed. I can add weight and teach football. I can't add height and speed".(Paraphrased)
Bobby Bowden when Butch was hired- "Ooh Butch can recruit better then anyone"

The OP is a much needed post in a time where the board has gone off the deep end and needs something positive, but there are is an elephant in the room it doesnt address.....
 
After reading all 12-13 pages of "the Work" thread I really felt compelled to say something to some of yall. Especially to certain cats in particular. First off, I would say about 95% of you actually know nothing about how much we FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED miserably in regards to South Florida recruiting in the Dennis and Butch eras. You want to talk to me about losing top talent in So Fla YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT??..Go ask Dennis and Butch about that. You think Al is bad?..Let me take you on a little walk down memory lane..

Go ask Butch about Rickey Sealey (LB out of Miami High) and how he played us in 95' cuz his mama wanted his sorry a$$ brother Norris to play with him so they went to Aub. Go ask about Marquand Manual (UF) and Clevan Thomas (FSU). Go ask about Martavious Houston (AUB). Go ask about Derrick Gibson (FSU), James Colzie (FSU), Sean Key (FSU), Rock Preston (FSU), Lawrence Wright (UF), Corey Simon (FSU), Zack and Henri Crockett (FSU), Samari Rolle (FSU), Troy Saunders (FSU) , Khalid Abdullah (FSU), Snoop Minnis (FSU), Bradley Jennings (FSU) AND ON AND ON AND ON..Remember losing WR Billy Brown out of St Thomas back in 1995 to FSU?! I could literally write an entire thread about the top talent that we lost IN SOUTH FLORIDA ALONE to FSU/UF/AUB year in and out back in the mid 90s and early 00s. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

And if you know anything about recruiting you would know that everyone I just named were NATIONALLY recruited guys. Everyone wanted them. No diamond in the roughs here. And rival schools walked right in Dade and Broward County and TOOK... THEM.... ALL.

And what did Butch do? Did he cry and whine about the **** after COUNTLESS FAILURES that at the time seemed like it would ruin our program and we would NEVER get back to prominence? NO. He used his knowledge, and everything that Jimmy taught him about eyeing talent and went out there and formed the greatest collection of talent in NCAA history. ONE THING we all can agree on is that AL is in the top 5 as far as best recruiters in the country and has an eye for talent. (It remains to be seen if he can develop that talent like Jimmy and Butch could)

I dont understand some of you guys..FRANCHISE, I thought you was an OG. I know this aint your first time at the rodeo. What are you doing? We been thru HELLA battles like this. This aint new stuff. Back in 95', when Sedrick Irvin straight PLAYED us and went to MSU..Did Butch fold? Naw playa..He just went out and got Dyral McMillan and supplemented him with some little known kid named Edgerrin James. KEPT IT MOVING..

ERNIE MCCRACKEN, you named ONE YEAR that we pulled that off. (getting most of the talent in Dade) Here I will help you..we did it only THREE MORE TIMES in the last 20 years! (05, 08, 98-99) Its like you forgot back in 98' when Bryce Bishop and Anquan Boldin straight left us at the alter..What did Butch do? Oh he just replaced them with two kids named Vernon Carey and Andre Johnson AND KEPT IT MOVING.

TP801, come on dude. How you gonna sit back and totally trash the class AND the work that Al has put in KNOWING that this class could be the one to bring our defense back to prominence. You really want me to bring my point home? Go look at FSUs 1998 recruiting class! (dont get me started on their class in 1993) You talk about coming into SoFla and turning **** upside down?! But guess what? The next two UM classes (Jerome McDougle, Andrew Williams, DJ Williams, Jon Vilma, etc) built the foundation for a great DEFENSE that FSU couldnt do nothing with EVEN WITH all those 4 and 5 stars from Dade.

Whats my point? If Dalvin Cook doesnt want to join us..Fine, PETE, you let him know I got two lil' homeboys named Juwon Young and Darrion Owens who are gonna come see him for the next 3 years and wont be backing down either! Johnnie Dixon and Ermon Lane think they would be better served elsewhere? PETE, you tell them I said that Artie Burns, Corn Elder, and Jamal Carter are gonna be diggin in that a$$ EVERY TIME they come across that middle!

Stop all the whining. I get it..We want EVERYONE! (que GIF) But we got what the F we came here for. Great pass rushers, a great QB, a great RB and a cornerstone at DT.

And thats that!

(Drop mic)

AMEN!
 
After reading all 12-13 pages of "the Work" thread I really felt compelled to say something to some of yall. Especially to certain cats in particular. First off, I would say about 95% of you actually know nothing about how much we FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED FAILED miserably in regards to South Florida recruiting in the Dennis and Butch eras. You want to talk to me about losing top talent in So Fla YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT??..Go ask Dennis and Butch about that. You think Al is bad?..Let me take you on a little walk down memory lane..

Go ask Butch about Rickey Sealey (LB out of Miami High) and how he played us in 95' cuz his mama wanted his sorry a$$ brother Norris to play with him so they went to Aub. Go ask about Marquand Manual (UF) and Clevan Thomas (FSU). Go ask about Martavious Houston (AUB). Go ask about Derrick Gibson (FSU), James Colzie (FSU), Sean Key (FSU), Rock Preston (FSU), Lawrence Wright (UF), Corey Simon (FSU), Zack and Henri Crockett (FSU), Samari Rolle (FSU), Troy Saunders (FSU) , Khalid Abdullah (FSU), Snoop Minnis (FSU), Bradley Jennings (FSU) AND ON AND ON AND ON..Remember losing WR Billy Brown out of St Thomas back in 1995 to FSU?! I could literally write an entire thread about the top talent that we lost IN SOUTH FLORIDA ALONE to FSU/UF/AUB year in and out back in the mid 90s and early 00s. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

And if you know anything about recruiting you would know that everyone I just named were NATIONALLY recruited guys. Everyone wanted them. No diamond in the roughs here. And rival schools walked right in Dade and Broward County and TOOK... THEM.... ALL.

And what did Butch do? Did he cry and whine about the **** after COUNTLESS FAILURES that at the time seemed like it would ruin our program and we would NEVER get back to prominence? NO. He used his knowledge, and everything that Jimmy taught him about eyeing talent and went out there and formed the greatest collection of talent in NCAA history. ONE THING we all can agree on is that AL is in the top 5 as far as best recruiters in the country and has an eye for talent. (It remains to be seen if he can develop that talent like Jimmy and Butch could)

I dont understand some of you guys..FRANCHISE, I thought you was an OG. I know this aint your first time at the rodeo. What are you doing? We been thru HELLA battles like this. This aint new stuff. Back in 95', when Sedrick Irvin straight PLAYED us and went to MSU..Did Butch fold? Naw playa..He just went out and got Dyral McMillan and supplemented him with some little known kid named Edgerrin James. KEPT IT MOVING..

ERNIE MCCRACKEN, you named ONE YEAR that we pulled that off. (getting most of the talent in Dade) Here I will help you..we did it only THREE MORE TIMES in the last 20 years! (05, 08, 98-99) Its like you forgot back in 98' when Bryce Bishop and Anquan Boldin straight left us at the alter..What did Butch do? Oh he just replaced them with two kids named Vernon Carey and Andre Johnson AND KEPT IT MOVING.

TP801, come on dude. How you gonna sit back and totally trash the class AND the work that Al has put in KNOWING that this class could be the one to bring our defense back to prominence. You really want me to bring my point home? Go look at FSUs 1998 recruiting class! (dont get me started on their class in 1993) You talk about coming into SoFla and turning **** upside down?! But guess what? The next two UM classes (Jerome McDougle, Andrew Williams, DJ Williams, Jon Vilma, etc) built the foundation for a great DEFENSE that FSU couldnt do nothing with EVEN WITH all those 4 and 5 stars from Dade.

Whats my point? If Dalvin Cook doesnt want to join us..Fine, PETE, you let him know I got two lil' homeboys named Juwon Young and Darrion Owens who are gonna come see him for the next 3 years and wont be backing down either! Johnnie Dixon and Ermon Lane think they would be better served elsewhere? PETE, you tell them I said that Artie Burns, Corn Elder, and Jamal Carter are gonna be diggin in that a$$ EVERY TIME they come across that middle!

Stop all the whining. I get it..We want EVERYONE! (que GIF) But we got what the F we came here for. Great pass rushers, a great QB, a great RB and a cornerstone at DT.

And thats that!

(Drop mic)

Billy Brown was a POS that beat girls in high school. Why you think George Smith didn't coach STA in 94 and 95 after Richard Brown left to go to Nova? because they couldn't hide him anymore. He didn't coach because they (STA) had to take care of their mother in the form of a special gift so she would keep Billy there. Be glad he didn't go to Miami. He and his brother are the SCUM of the earth
 
Recruiting is big business now....top ranked recruiting classes (for the most part) do pay off.

I don't recall where all the recruiting services have our class ranked. Can you refresh my memory?

Do you want the top 5 class or the #1 class? Because that's what we would have if we got the big fish in our backyard.

Problem is we are nowhere near a Top-5 team. Baby steps are needed. FSU went from always losing the ACC to then winning their division, to winning the ACC, to playing a BCS game, to playing in the NC this year. It didn't happen overnight. They were steadily recruiting top-10 classes, and now they are consistently top-5. We are following a similar arc. ****, it even took Saban 3 years to get Bama back. We need to win the ACC and keep moving forward. The big guys will come with results.
Exactly this. It takes years of Top 10 recruiting classes to have a chance to be an elite program. FSU is a perfect example.
 
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The sanctions from the Pell Grant scandal & Butch not even having ~30 scholarships to offer those kids is a helluva lot different than Al Golden's cloud. All those kids you mentioned did get away though like you mentioned.
 
Don't forget the other two idiots that left us hanging Antone Smith(Pahokee) and Clifton ****son(Northwestern) who both went to FSU.
 
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The sanctions from the Pell Grant scandal & Butch not even having ~30 scholarships to offer those kids is a helluva lot different than Al Golden's cloud. All those kids you mentioned did get away though like you mentioned.

Let's keep it real while we're on Butch, his "creative" recruiting tactics didn't start at UNC.
 
Top-notch post Jassid. Glad to see actual facts, logic, and examples come into play to counter the nonsense that has been going on lately.
 
Hate to say it....but I disagree with OP. I used to think that way too. But the game has changed. Its becoming increasingly difficult to miss out on top prospects and replace them with unheralded guys just as good or better. With the media exposure today, if you got potential, people will spot you. 15 years ago, a guy like Demetrius Jackson would still be a zero star instead of a 4 star with the SEC trying to close.

It is a different age, and the same rules can't be applied. Recruiting is big business now....top ranked recruiting classes (for the most part) do pay off.

This is true but it also means there is a lot more competition from other schools as well. Schools spend a lot more resources down here then they used to. It's not just a one way street.
 
Hate to say it....but I disagree with OP. I used to think that way too. But the game has changed. Its becoming increasingly difficult to miss out on top prospects and replace them with unheralded guys just as good or better. With the media exposure today, if you got potential, people will spot you. 15 years ago, a guy like Demetrius Jackson would still be a zero star instead of a 4 star with the SEC trying to close.

It is a different age, and the same rules can't be applied. Recruiting is big business now....top ranked recruiting classes (for the most part) do pay off.

...and the fact that it's such a big business is all the more reason that it is beyond unreasonable, it is just plain stupid, to think that any one program should be getting 80%+ of the best of the best kids in the area. We DO have a very, very highly ranked recruiting class, one of the best in the nation. Yet some on here seem to think that unless Golden get them all, he's failed as a recruiter.
 
Forgot the consensus #1 player in the Nation, Southridge's own Lamont Green to FSU.

and RBs that were WAY better then Sedrick and Furgeson.... Troy and Darren Davis that went on to become Heisman finalists and run for over 2000yds each (players that we couldn't get due to admissions... like some now)

We've always lost top talent
 
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Teddy Bridgewater(West)-4 STAR. DUMBASSES SAID he would be"jacrory 2.0, future receiver, oh no big deal, garbage" meanwhile Teddy will be a 1st round pick at QB.

Marcus Roberson(Sta)-HIGH 4 star. One of the top corners in college. Will be drafted in top 3 rounds of NFL draft

Kelvin Benjamin(Glades)-HIGH 4 star. Fsu. Guys a beast. Shot up draft boards. Future high NFL pick this year or next.

Sammy Watkins(South ft. Meyers)-5 STAR. Clemson. 1st round pick.

Rashad Greene(STA)-HIGH 4 star. Fsu. Baller. Top 4 round NFL pick

Dvonta Freeman(Central)-HIGH 4 star. Best rb at fsu currently. Future NFL pick

Gio Bernard(STA)- 4 star. Offers from everywhere. UNC. 1st running back picked in last years draft. 2nd round.

Lamar Miller(Killian)-HIGH 4 star. Miami. Drafted in beginning of 4th round 2012 draft.

Olivier Vernon(American)-4 star. Offers from everywhere. Miami. 3rd round pick 2012 draft.

Mike James-4 Star. Miami. BEAST physically. 5th round pick. Could turn out to be one of the better running backs from 13 draft.

Travis Benjamin(Glades)-4 star. Miami. Could/Can fly. 4th round pick 2012 draft.

Tommy Streeter(West)-HIGH 4 star. Miami. 6'5 and can fly. 5th round. Probably left too early.

Ed Stinson(Homestead) - 4 star. Bama. 3-4 end. Future NFL pick

Cory Lemonier(Hialeah)-HIGH 4 star. Auburn. Was either a 2nd or third round pick in 2012 draft.

Louis Nix(Raines)-HIGH 4 star. Notre shame. Probably best nose tackle in this years draft. Probable 1st round pick. BEAST.

Brandon Washington(West)-4 star. Miami. 6th round pick. Left too early.

Brandon Linder(STA)-High 4 star. Will be drafted in top 4 rounds this year.

Nick Oleary(Dwyer)-HIGH 4 star/5 star. Fsu. Future NFL pick.

Will add more. Line it's been said, recruiting is Way different now as far as how these kids are ranked/recruiting sites go. Maybe a kid like Travis Rudolph, Eddie Jackson, Alex Collis, etc.... Would be a "hidden 2 star gem" or whatever 10+ years ago. But not anymore. Too many camps, combines, too many people involved. When schools like UM or the same caliber offer. Now these sites automatically "re-evaluate" kids and bump their rankings/stars up. Demetrius Jackson from this year would not be a 4 star like he is his 10+ years ago during the "butch era". Look at this list. Look at the kids who have been drafted from UM RECENTLY and look at their star ratings. I'm pretty sure all if them where at least co sidere 4 star prospects by these recruiting services.
 
That post actually got me crunk and ready for work i needed that caffeine doesnt work anymore
 
Teddy Bridgewater(West)-4 STAR. DUMBASSES SAID he would be"jacrory 2.0, future receiver, oh no big deal, garbage" meanwhile Teddy will be a 1st round pick at QB.

Marcus Roberson(Sta)-HIGH 4 star. One of the top corners in college. Will be drafted in top 3 rounds of NFL draft

Kelvin Benjamin(Glades)-HIGH 4 star. Fsu. Guys a beast. Shot up draft boards. Future high NFL pick this year or next.

Sammy Watkins(South ft. Meyers)-5 STAR. Clemson. 1st round pick.

Rashad Greene(STA)-HIGH 4 star. Fsu. Baller. Top 4 round NFL pick

Dvonta Freeman(Central)-HIGH 4 star. Best rb at fsu currently. Future NFL pick

Gio Bernard(STA)- 4 star. Offers from everywhere. UNC. 1st running back picked in last years draft. 2nd round.

Lamar Miller(Killian)-HIGH 4 star. Miami. Drafted in beginning of 4th round 2012 draft.

Olivier Vernon(American)-4 star. Offers from everywhere. Miami. 3rd round pick 2012 draft.

Mike James-4 Star. Miami. BEAST physically. 5th round pick. Could turn out to be one of the better running backs from 13 draft.

Travis Benjamin(Glades)-4 star. Miami. Could/Can fly. 4th round pick 2012 draft.

Tommy Streeter(West)-HIGH 4 star. Miami. 6'5 and can fly. 5th round. Probably left too early.

Ed Stinson(Homestead) - 4 star. Bama. 3-4 end. Future NFL pick

Cory Lemonier(Hialeah)-HIGH 4 star. Auburn. Was either a 2nd or third round pick in 2012 draft.

Louis Nix(Raines)-HIGH 4 star. Notre shame. Probably best nose tackle in this years draft. Probable 1st round pick. BEAST.

Brandon Washington(West)-4 star. Miami. 6th round pick. Left too early.

Brandon Linder(STA)-High 4 star. Will be drafted in top 4 rounds this year.

Nick Oleary(Dwyer)-HIGH 4 star/5 star. Fsu. Future NFL pick.

Will add more. Line it's been said, recruiting is Way different now as far as how these kids are ranked/recruiting sites go. Maybe a kid like Travis Rudolph, Eddie Jackson, Alex Collis, etc.... Would be a "hidden 2 star gem" or whatever 10+ years ago. But not anymore. Too many camps, combines, too many people involved. When schools like UM or the same caliber offer. Now these sites automatically "re-evaluate" kids and bump their rankings/stars up. Demetrius Jackson from this year would not be a 4 star like he is his 10+ years ago during the "butch era". Look at this list. Look at the kids who have been drafted from UM RECENTLY and look at their star ratings. I'm pretty sure all if them where at least co sidere 4 star prospects by these recruiting services.

Nailed it.
 
If Golden was the talent evaluator and developer that Butch was I don't think people would be acting how they are. This staff, especially on defense, has lacked big time in this area.

you do realize we have recruited with one hand behind our back? Also, the strength of the defense are the guys al recruited the past two years. We keep doing this we will be fine.
 
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