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California’s Far Pay to Play Bill

MISTER OWL said:
Why is that?
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Because we don't have the money and market to compete.

Only about 25 NCAA schools make money (2015) and the median profit is $8M. Keep in mind that schools receive money from the state so they still have to compensate male and female athletes equally.
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Athletics departments that make more than they spend still a minority

Revenue generated by ticket sales, broadcast agreements and other sources at 24 Football Bowl Subdivision schools outpaced athletics expenses in 2014, according
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The real money for players would come from endorsements and we don't have boosters that would be willing to compete in this category.

I also think you would see more transfers. Players like Jarren Williams would end up transferring after the season to a school that would guarantee him more money.
 
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@Andrew our market and our brand are still national. We have people wearing our gear literally across the country. I see it wherever I travel. I agree that we don't have the local following that LSU or Alabama do, but we still have a significant national following. If this is about being able to sell gear and reap the reward then our guys should be able to do well enough, and we should be able to make a case for kids to be Miami Hurricanes. To me the question is will UM do to the same extent what we know the other schools are going to do in gearing up to take advantage of the opportunity if it presents itself.
 
This benefits programs in major markets over middle of nowhere college towns. Right now the "bag schools" have to rely on a network of boosters to pay for kids. Miami doesn't have that network of boosters even if they wanted to get serious in the bag game.

However.....

In a major metropolitan market, players would not have to rely on boosters to pay them. Your image as a star football player is worth WAAAAAYYY more in a city like Los Angeles or Miami than some po-dunk dump like Tuscaloosa. There's advertising and promotional opportunities here that no small market city could compete with. Why do you think pro athletes want to play in New York and California even though it costs so much to live there? The opportunity to make promo money and enhance your brand that doesn't exist in Salt Lake City or Oklahoma City. Yes, small market schools would have boosters to pay some players for their image but they already have guys paying kids regardless. At least this gives a school like Miami a way to even the pay-for-playing field.
 
Andrew said:
Because we don't have the money and market to compete.

Only about 25 NCAA schools make money (2015) and the median profit is $8M. Keep in mind that schools receive money from the state so they still have to compensate male and female athletes equally.
www.ncaa.org

Athletics departments that make more than they spend still a minority

Revenue generated by ticket sales, broadcast agreements and other sources at 24 Football Bowl Subdivision schools outpaced athletics expenses in 2014, according
www.ncaa.org www.ncaa.org

The real money for players would come from endorsements and we don't have boosters that would be willing to compete in this category.

I also think you would see more transfers. Players like Jarren Williams would end up transferring after the season to a school that would guarantee him more money.
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The money would not be coming from the University or their boosters. The money would be coming from local businesses that would like to use UM athlete's image for promotional purposes. Jarren Williams could make a ton of money just by showing up to a local nightclub or bar for an evening (no drinking though until he's 21). DJ Dallas could do commercials for Gus Machado Ford. Come to La Carreta on Wednesday night for a meet and great with Jeff Thomas!
 
Making it possible for a player to make money off of his talents, doesnt mean it will make the bag game legal. It would still be illlegal.
 
DTP said:
This benefits programs in major markets over middle of nowhere college towns. Right now the "bag schools" have to rely on a network of boosters to pay for kids. Miami doesn't have that network of boosters even if they wanted to get serious in the bag game.

However.....

In a major metropolitan market, players would not have to rely on boosters to pay them. Your image as a star football player is worth WAAAAAYYY more in a city like Los Angeles or Miami than some po-dunk dump like Tuscaloosa. There's advertising and promotional opportunities here that no small market city could compete with. Why do you think pro athletes want to play in New York and California even though it costs so much to live there? The opportunity to make promo money and enhance your brand that doesn't exist in Salt Lake City or Oklahoma City. Yes, small market schools would have boosters to pay some players for their image but they already have guys paying kids regardless. At least this gives a school like Miami a way to even the pay-for-playing field.
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Not everyone that went to Alabama lives in Tuscaloosa.

The issue is boosters are going to pay way over market value to lure players to sign. What happens when Alabama is allowed to announce that the starting running back will be paid $1M annually to endorse Jefferson Davis Ford? Meanwhile, in Miami, our players will be looked at as cheap alternatives to Dolphin players.
 
Andrew said:
Not everyone that went to Alabama lives in Tuscaloosa.

The issue is boosters are going to pay way over market value to lure players to sign. What happens when Alabama is allowed to announce that the starting running back will be paid $1M annually to endorse Jefferson Davis Ford? Meanwhile, in Miami, our players will be looked at as cheap alternatives to Dolphin players.
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They're already paying their running back anyway. Making it legal for the kids to profit off their name doesn't make a difference for them. If anything, they're probably against it. They get away with doing things that others can't. When others can, it will level the field.
 
DTP said:
They're already paying their running back anyway. Making it legal for the kids to profit off their name doesn't make a difference for them. If anything, they're probably against it. They get away with doing things that others can't. When others can, it will level the field.
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We can't compete with these teams on facilities, coaching money, and recruitment expenses. We sure the **** won't be able to compete in paying players. Alabama boosters could easily spend $10M annually. We would have Blake James conducting car washes to raise money for our players.
 
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BS85 said:
I don't think many kids at all would get big marketing deals unless they're in the Heisman race or something like that. I think this would mostly result in local businesses paying kids for autograph sessions and **** like that. This would allow all the redneck boosters to funnel money legally through businesses so I actually think this would help the big state schools where the town's revolve around football/University aka ****hole SEC cities and not Miami. The amount a player could make would probably correlate to average attendance.
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It would correlate to booster fund.
 
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How would this work on a broader scale? My concern is that it could very quickly be taken out of the hands of the players, and just give more power to certain schools and boosters if this spreads into being allowed throughout college football. Exclusivity deals by a major school or conference? For example, I could see the SEC striking high-dollar exclusive deals with top merchandisers to where only SEC school players would get endorsements from those companies, or would get enhanced endorsements, increasing the recruiting pull of the SEC.

This could go all sorts of wrong if not handled very carefully.
 
Andrew said:
We can't compete with these teams on facilities, coaching money, and recruitment expenses. We sure the **** won't be able to compete in paying players. Alabama boosters could easily spend $10M annually. We would have Black James conducting car washes to raise money for our players.
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The money would not be coming from the school, athletic department or even the booster club. It would be private businesses paying the athletes to use their likeness for promotional purposes. There's more businesses here with more money to spend than there are in pretty much any other college town. City campuses like MIami, USC, UCLA, Washington and others will offer athletes a ton of more opportunities to make money through their likeness.
 
DTP said:
The money would not be coming from the school, athletic department or even the booster club. It would be private businesses paying the athletes to use their likeness for promotional purposes. There's more businesses here with more money to spend than there are in pretty much any other college town. City campuses like MIami, USC, UCLA, Washington and others will offer athletes a ton of more opportunities to make money through their likeness.
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Boosters ARE business owners. Businesses in Miami would pay market value. Boosters of other schools (who also own businesses) would pay above market value.

The correlation between facilities, coaching money, and recruitment money are that they generally come from boosters. Miami has a history of not being able to raise large sums of cash compared to other schools.

Where I think you are wrong is your conclusion that big market teams would be able to create more financial opportunity for their players. This same approach would also suggest that big market teams would draw better crowds. The real money would be made from signing autographs at buster events.

Here is a scenario for you:

Miami, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Auburn and Georgia Tech each hold a signing event to raise more for the school. Each team brings in their biggest star who will sign jerseys for the top 100 boosters from each school. The school and players agent agree to split the money raised.

Which star backs the most money and which makes the least?
 
DTP said:
The money would not be coming from the University or their boosters. The money would be coming from local businesses that would like to use UM athlete's image for promotional purposes. Jarren Williams could make a ton of money just by showing up to a local nightclub or bar for an evening (no drinking though until he's 21). DJ Dallas could do commercials for Gus Machado Ford. Come to La Carreta on Wednesday night for a meet and great with Jeff Thomas!
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We would have to be as innovative and creative in this enterprise as Schnelly was when he laid the foundation.

If we hit the ground running and show businesses UM players are a way to promote their brands to millions of potential customers, I think we have the potential to be a sleeping giant in the compensation competition. It just takes belief and proactively creating the momentum.

Many thought Miami would never compete with the blue bloods until one man believed and used an innovative approach that focused on our unique strengths instead of crying about our obvious weaknesses.

Pay for play could be our salvation if we work hard to build a system and get out ahead of it. If we sit around ****ing and moaning it could be the nail in the coffin.

Some think the Texas oil money would make those schools unbeatable. I’m sure they are buying players now but the results don’t bear out. Just have to see where it goes and make solutions instead of excuses.
 
Here's the thing. Schools like Alabama, Georgia and Clemson already have boosters cutting checks directly to players and their families. If they do it legitimately through some kind of event, what difference does it make? Their kids, at least the really good ones are getting paid either way. At least if the pay-to-play bill becomes national, everyone who doesn't have boosters to drop bags still gives potential players an opportunity to make money.

Right now it's either:
A) sign with Alabama and get money
B) sign with Miami and get no money

The bill would give an athlete the chance to get paid at whatever school he chose.
 
Andrew said:
Not everyone that went to Alabama lives in Tuscaloosa.

The issue is boosters are going to pay way over market value to lure players to sign. What happens when Alabama is allowed to announce that the starting running back will be paid $1M annually to endorse Jefferson Davis Ford? Meanwhile, in Miami, our players will be looked at as cheap alternatives to Dolphin players.
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Yes, I would hate to live in a world where Bama boosters are paying over-market prices to lure players to sign.
 
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California can have their own association and crown their own National Champ, like UCF. USC might have a shot again.
 
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Few players would stand to make real money from solo endorsements. In major markets college players have competition from NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL players. Unless the college player is a superstar he won’t drive a high rate.

Players may be able to make paid appearances of their own but the university owns the trademark and intellectual property related to the program. A player wants money from his likeness, but that likeliness is tied the image of him playing ball. Other than saying you’re a member of the program you’re relying on your name. You would need permission to wear any apparel licensed by the school. Schools could balk at this, pressured by or in sync with the NCAA. Maybe a lawyer on the board could clarify this.

The bag game still lives on. Why? Taxes. Bags slipped to players and their families are underground, laundered money. Off the books. Start paying kids upfront for repping a car dealership and you need lawyers, agents, and accountants.The IRS gets interested.

To me this law seems like a way for the players to get a cut of what the schools make off them. The NCAA and conference power brokers want no part of that. If the players get anything its what their told they are allowed to have. Like bowl game gift cards from Best Buy.
 
South Carolina is up next!

And this WILL kill Miami football as we know it. It would only make it easier (and legal) for boosters to get $ to players. Imagine Saban recruiting a kid and letting him know a car and dealership sponsorship is waiting for them after NLI day.
 
I don't necessarily disagree with Teblows' impassioned but 6th grade intellect level (talk about a dude whose actual intelligence has been vastly overrated) take here BUT I absolutely can see how he's easily attacked as the messenger too.

 
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