By the numbers: Doubting Miami's D?

[Consigliere]

If you have to explain why the defense doesn't suck with that much detail and analysis and depth, then most likely your defense sucks mile long ****s.

All you have to do is watch.

 

[UMAlum21]

LRG is a fat pimply Muslim whose claim to fame was being in his HS band.

Pay him no mind.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I'm not anti-stat but sometimes you just have to trust your eyes. Anyone who actually watches this team can tell you that our defense is not good. GA Tech and Nebraska had their way with this defense without even bothering to pass.

 

[TreOFive]

Against impressive offenses, not mediocre offenses.

Fsu is ranked 69 in total O, Louisville 85th. We are 43rd. Yardage wise, we're more impressive than both.

FSU has played a tougher schedule. They are still an elite offense.

Parker coming back for Louisville changes everything and he proved it tonight.

schedule ranks, from sagarin.

FSU 41
Louisville 66
Miami 23

find somethig else... you might make a correct point if you keep trying.

Right and see my point why that is a stupid metric.

Also your numbers look completely off, unless I'm completely misinterpreting the layout of these rankings.

Most recent rankings as of October 25 show FSU-13, Miami-29.

You cant argue with this guy...it aint gonna compute for him. He is **** bent on providing evidence that his BFF (AG) is doing a respectable job. He is like the girl on 50 1st dates...short term memory. And he want to say others have an "agenda"

 

[DaU83]

Against impressive offenses, not mediocre offenses.

Fsu is ranked 69 in total O, Louisville 85th. We are 43rd. Yardage wise, we're more impressive than both.

FSU has played a tougher schedule. They are still an elite offense.

Parker coming back for Louisville changes everything and he proved it tonight.

schedule ranks, from sagarin.

FSU 41
Louisville 66
Miami 23

find somethig else... you might make a correct point if you keep trying.

Right and see my point why that is a stupid metric.

Also your numbers look completely off, unless I'm completely misinterpreting the layout of these rankings.

Most recent rankings as of October 25 show FSU-13, Miami-29.

the schedule ranks are further to the right....


"The numbers to the right of a team's schedule strength
are its rank of schedule - (in parentheses) "

 

[DaU83]

I'm not anti-stat but sometimes you just have to trust your eyes. Anyone who actually watches this team can tell you that our defense is not good. GA Tech and Nebraska had their way with this defense without even bothering to pass.

i still have not ONCE said this defense is good.. i'm just crapping on hendricks nonsense with statistical evidence that shows he's incorrect.

For the record, our D isn't good.. but it's also not as bad as people make it out to be... also, Nebraska, and GTs run game have been crapping on everyone. And per that ESPN article, our defense did better against them than most teams have.. for whatever that's worth.

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

Bottom line is we are 5-3 with losses against a Louisville, GT, and Nebraska.

We suck

 

[DaU83]

Bottom line is we are 5-3 with losses against a Louisville, GT, and Nebraska.

We suck

louisville is the most inexcusable... GT i'm 50/50 on, we held them to 28, but we didn't get the offense the ball enough... and nebraskas been doing it to a lot of people.. we can continue to pretend they're just some average team, but the results show they're better than that.

 

[drifters1234]

I just saw 2 aggressive defenses with a lot of Florida/Miami talent get lit up for 500+

Against impressive offenses, not mediocre offenses.

Fsu is ranked 69 in total O, Louisville 85th. We are 43rd. Yardage wise, we're more impressive than both.

FSU has played good teams: Okl. State, Clemson, and Notre Dame. We've played Nebraska, and a bunch of mediocre to crap teams.

And the one common opponent - Louisville - largely shut our offense down. Not so much for FSU

 

[drifters1234]

People always say numbers don't lie. The thing is though, they do because they don't tell the whole truth. You can give up an average of 11 points a game through 8 games and everyone will think you have a great defense. Until they look closer at each game and realize you have 5 shutouts against ****** teams and have given up all 88 points in those other 3 games.

The GT game is a perfect example of numbers not telling the whole story. They scored 28 points, ran 72 plays and only averaged about 5 yards a play. Nothing spectacular until you notice they had the ball for 41 minutes and only had about 5 plays of 13 yards or more. That adds up to a team who consistently gets about 4 yards a play, especially when you have almost no negative plays. It's hard to score a lot of points and gain a lot of yards if you take your time and methodically march up and down the field on a team.

We all know the real problem has to do with the scheme, play calling and alignment. This goes back to the VT game last year when everyone, including the announcers, knew that VT was going to run shallow crossing routes on third down, and yet Dorito plays a defense where the LB's are dropping back to 12 yards on 3rd and 6. EVERY. *******. THIRD. DOWN. It was the same **** against GT this year. Everybody, including the announcers, are wondering why they aren't putting someone over the center and why the safeties are playing at 15 yards. I watch every single play of every single game. I don't care what the numbers say, my eyes tell me that the defensive play calling and scheme is garbage.

this deserves the "boom" gif.

 

[drifters1234]

Against impressive offenses, not mediocre offenses.

Fsu is ranked 69 in total O, Louisville 85th. We are 43rd. Yardage wise, we're more impressive than both.

FSU has played a tougher schedule. They are still an elite offense.

Parker coming back for Louisville changes everything and he proved it tonight.

schedule ranks, from sagarin.

FSU 41
Louisville 66
Miami 23

find somethig else... you might make a correct point if you keep trying.

Right and see my point why that is a stupid metric.

Also your numbers look completely off, unless I'm completely misinterpreting the layout of these rankings.

Most recent rankings as of October 25 show FSU-13, Miami-29.

AND we have 3 losses!

 

[DiegoCane]

FWIW, Oklahoma St isn't very good this year. They will be 6-6, 5-7 at the end of the year.

 

[Canezum5]

Who cares what Nebraska and gt did to other teams? As if there numbers aren't inflated by playing cupcakes. How did Nebraska fair against msu? How did gt fair against duke? And which of those other teams gt and Nebraska played has or gets the talent we do?

The defense is bad and it's just as bad as everyone says it is. Historically bad. Who cares about cherry picked stats? You've got to be a dam budd munch to watch that crap for 3 and half years and still make excuses/debates about what's happening.

And Gtfoh with all these numbers. Eyes don't lie. S.o.s goes to fsu by a mile. What are we smoking on this thread? I mean how is this even a debate? Defense sucks and fsu has a waaaaaaaaaay tougher strength of schedule. Sagarins can sag deez nuds cuz that list is flawed

 

[BigCaneAl]

I just saw 2 aggressive defenses with a lot of Florida/Miami talent get lit up for 500+

Against impressive offenses, not mediocre offenses.

Fsu is ranked 69 in total O, Louisville 85th. We are 43rd. Yardage wise, we're more impressive than both.

FSU has played good teams: Okl. State, Clemson, and Notre Dame. We've played Nebraska, and a bunch of mediocre to crap teams.

And the one common opponent - Louisville - largely shut our offense down. Not so much for FSU

Louisville got exposed in there back 4, they are slow and on e the front wore down FSUs speed was too much. We never even tested them. That's why they jus teed off on the run the whole game. FSU could run for **** either in the first half.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

The two games this coaching staff is most likely to regret at season's end are UL and GT. UL they were scared to deploy thier offense and lost out of fear. GT they failed to be proactive and thought they could get away with a flawed defensive system because it worked "well enough" the year before. Both were winnable with the right mentality, and we had stuff in our ****nal to address both teams. We just didnt have the foresight and fortitude to prepare correctly.

 

[fincane]

And Gtfoh with all these numbers. Eyes don't lie. S.o.s goes to fsu by a mile. What are we smoking on this thread? I mean how is this even a debate? Defense sucks and fsu has a waaaaaaaaaay tougher strength of schedule. Sagarins can sag deez nuds cuz that list is flawed

One common opponent in UL. Nebraska on the road is a better team than playing Clemson at Doak. They have Notre Dame as the difference maker schedule wise. Not even sure how good they are watching them throughout the year. They have Cuse, Wake, NC State and Oklahoma State. All are average or suck. Arky State, Cincy, GT and Duke isn't worse than FSU's 4.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

I just saw 2 aggressive defenses with a lot of Florida/Miami talent get lit up for 500+

Against impressive offenses, not mediocre offenses.

Fsu is ranked 69 in total O, Louisville 85th. We are 43rd. Yardage wise, we're more impressive than both.

FSU has played a tougher schedule. They are still an elite offense.

Parker coming back for Louisville changes everything and he proved it tonight.

schedule ranks, from sagarin.

FSU 41
Louisville 66
Miami 23

find somethig else... you might make a correct point if you keep trying.

Those numbers are predicated on the wins totals for the team faced the previous year which is the most flawed metric system there is. And if you want to make it simple, the eye tests tells any competent person that FSU played a tougher schedule based on Notre Dame, Clemson, and Oklahoma State alone.

Not sure why you provided Louisville's strength of schedule, seeing as I never claimed that their schedule was tougher than ours. I only did that FSU. My Louisville claim was that by adding Parker back, the second best receiver in this year's class, that their offensive ranking would improve.

And with all due respect, your acting like a total **** for this exchange is precisely why you come off as a ****head poster. My points were hardly confrontational and you attempted to Red Herring and misguide my argument with irrelevant information while I'm still right that FSU has played a tougher schedule than us. Louisville has not.

So I'm perfectly happy with what I found. Keep trying and I'm sure you'll eventually try to twist my points into being wrong. But you'll still be a condescending ***** that should probably sit in a corner. Anything else to add?

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

And Gtfoh with all these numbers. Eyes don't lie. S.o.s goes to fsu by a mile. What are we smoking on this thread? I mean how is this even a debate? Defense sucks and fsu has a waaaaaaaaaay tougher strength of schedule. Sagarins can sag deez nuds cuz that list is flawed

One common opponent in UL. Nebraska on the road is a better team than playing Clemson at Doak. They have Notre Dame as the difference maker schedule wise. Not even sure how good they are watching them throughout the year. They have Cuse, Wake, NC State and Oklahoma State. All are average or suck. Arky State, Cincy, GT and Duke isn't worse than FSU's 4.

Disagree because I think Oklahoma State is the best of those 8 teams. 5-3 with losses to Florida State, TCU, and West Virginia, all top 15 teams.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

I'm not anti-stat but sometimes you just have to trust your eyes. Anyone who actually watches this team can tell you that our defense is not good. GA Tech and Nebraska had their way with this defense without even bothering to pass.

i still have not ONCE said this defense is good.. i'm just crapping on hendricks nonsense with statistical evidence that shows he's incorrect.

For the record, our D isn't good.. but it's also not as bad as people make it out to be... also, Nebraska, and GTs run game have been crapping on everyone. And per that ESPN article, our defense did better against them than most teams have.. for whatever that's worth.

And I'm telling you that statistics lie and your blind following of them is idiotic. FSU tops three teams uncommon teams of Notre Dame, Clemson, and Oklahoma State are better than our top three of Nebraska, Duke, and Georgia Tech. Apology accepted.

 

[Rellyrell]

I'm not anti-stat but sometimes you just have to trust your eyes. Anyone who actually watches this team can tell you that our defense is not good. GA Tech and Nebraska had their way with this defense without even bothering to pass.

^^^^^^^^^^
This....our defense is built upon the opponent slipping and us not forcing them to slip. when we play against mediocre teams, we dominate. when we play against good teams, we fold.