By the numbers: Doubting Miami's D?

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fun article that should open a lot of discussion..have fun guys

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/76548/by-the-numbers-doubting-miamis-d


With back-to-back wins over Cincinnati and Virginia Tech, much of the vitriol over Miami’s slow start to the season has quieted, but that doesn’t mean Hurricanes fans are pleased to be 5-3. And if there’s blame being assigned for another mediocre start to an ACC season, the finger is generally pointed at the defense -- and coordinator Mark D’Onofrio, in particular.

In spite of the unit’s improved play of late, there are a few grips shared by some Miami fans. In no particular order:

1. The Canes can’t stop the run, particularly in the three games they lost.
2. The bend-but-don’t-break passing D bends too often.
3. The defense doesn’t make many big plays.

If you want to simply peruse the standard metrics, this all adds up.

Miami is eighth in the ACC in rushing defense against FBS teams. Opposing quarterbacks are completing 55.5 percent of their throws, which puts Miami in the middle of the pack among ACC defenses. The Canes have just 31 tackles for loss against FBS foes, which ranks 12th in the conference.

But those numbers really don’t tell the full story. Let’s take them one at a time.

Comparing Miami's Run Defense
Team YPC vs. Miami YPC vs others
Louisville 4.21 4.67
Ark. State 2.98 6.07
Nebraska 6.35 6.43
Duke 3.62 6.16
Ga. Tech 5.09 6.60
Cincinnati 2.96 5.18
Va. Tech 4.90 4.48
1. Miami’s numbers against the run aren’t great, but the Hurricanes have also played against some teams that are really good at running the football. And if we compare what those teams did against Miami to what they did against everyone else, suddenly the Canes' D doesn’t look so sloppy.

Fans loved Miami’s performance against Virginia Tech, but when we factor out sacks from the equation, the Hokies are the only team on Miami’s schedule that had a higher yards-per-carry average against the Canes than they did against the rest of their competition.

Overall, Miami is allowing 1.2 yards per carry less than its opponents are averaging in their other games. No one is stopping Georgia Tech or Nebraska, and while the Canes weren’t a stout exception, they also didn’t fare significantly worse.

2. The passing D suffers a bit from the lack of a strong pass rush, but that’s where D'Onofrio seems to have done his best work. Yes, opposing quarterbacks are completing a relatively high number of passes, and Miami’s interception rate is again middle of the pack. But overall, the Canes’ yards-per-attempt allowed is second-best in the ACC against FBS competition and its average yards per completion (10.1) is eighth-best in the nation.

Moreover, with the limited pass rush, the bend-but-don’t-break philosophy has worked well. The Hurricanes have allowed the fourth fewest passing plays of 20-plus yards against FBS foes of any Power 5 conference team. Miami’s adjusted QBR against FBS teams is 29.4, 13th-best in the Power 5 and ahead of playoff contenders like Auburn, Ohio State, Oregon and Florida State.

3. The lack of big plays is something of a concern, but it’s offset by a lack of big plays allowed.

As mentioned, Miami has allowed sparingly few pass plays of 20-plus yards. Similarly, just 30 rushes have gone for 10 yards or more, a rate that ranks eighth among Power 5 conference teams.

Overall, Miami’s opponents are being tackled for negative plays less often (12.9 percent of rushes against the Canes, 16.6 percent in other games) but also picking up big chunks less often (10.8 percent against Miami compared with 17.4 percent vs. others).

Add it all up, and you certainly don’t get a dominant defense, but Miami also isn’t playing with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed these days either.

Of the 33 four- and five-star recruits inked by Miami in the pst three classes, just 12 were exclusively defensive players in high school. Of the starting 11 against Virginia Tech last week, six were rated as three-star players or lower as recruits. The bottom line is that D’Onofrio seems to know what he has at Miami right now, and he’s employing a defense that plays to the skills of the players he has rather than ask them to perform like the NFL stars who used to call Coral Gables home.
 
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fun article that should open a lot of discussion..have fun guys

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/76548/by-the-numbers-doubting-miamis-d


With back-to-back wins over Cincinnati and Virginia Tech, much of the vitriol over Miami’s slow start to the season has quieted, but that doesn’t mean Hurricanes fans are pleased to be 5-3. And if there’s blame being assigned for another mediocre start to an ACC season, the finger is generally pointed at the defense -- and coordinator Mark D’Onofrio, in particular.

In spite of the unit’s improved play of late, there are a few grips shared by some Miami fans. In no particular order:

1. The Canes can’t stop the run, particularly in the three games they lost.
2. The bend-but-don’t-break passing D bends too often.
3. The defense doesn’t make many big plays.

If you want to simply peruse the standard metrics, this all adds up.

Miami is eighth in the ACC in rushing defense against FBS teams. Opposing quarterbacks are completing 55.5 percent of their throws, which puts Miami in the middle of the pack among ACC defenses. The Canes have just 31 tackles for loss against FBS foes, which ranks 12th in the conference.

But those numbers really don’t tell the full story. Let’s take them one at a time.

Comparing Miami's Run Defense
Team YPC vs. Miami YPC vs others
Louisville 4.21 4.67
Ark. State 2.98 6.07
Nebraska 6.35 6.43
Duke 3.62 6.16
Ga. Tech 5.09 6.60
Cincinnati 2.96 5.18
Va. Tech 4.90 4.48
1. Miami’s numbers against the run aren’t great, but the Hurricanes have also played against some teams that are really good at running the football. And if we compare what those teams did against Miami to what they did against everyone else, suddenly the Canes' D doesn’t look so sloppy.

Fans loved Miami’s performance against Virginia Tech, but when we factor out sacks from the equation, the Hokies are the only team on Miami’s schedule that had a higher yards-per-carry average against the Canes than they did against the rest of their competition.

Overall, Miami is allowing 1.2 yards per carry less than its opponents are averaging in their other games. No one is stopping Georgia Tech or Nebraska, and while the Canes weren’t a stout exception, they also didn’t fare significantly worse.

2. The passing D suffers a bit from the lack of a strong pass rush, but that’s where D'Onofrio seems to have done his best work. Yes, opposing quarterbacks are completing a relatively high number of passes, and Miami’s interception rate is again middle of the pack. But overall, the Canes’ yards-per-attempt allowed is second-best in the ACC against FBS competition and its average yards per completion (10.1) is eighth-best in the nation.

Moreover, with the limited pass rush, the bend-but-don’t-break philosophy has worked well. The Hurricanes have allowed the fourth fewest passing plays of 20-plus yards against FBS foes of any Power 5 conference team. Miami’s adjusted QBR against FBS teams is 29.4, 13th-best in the Power 5 and ahead of playoff contenders like Auburn, Ohio State, Oregon and Florida State.

3. The lack of big plays is something of a concern, but it’s offset by a lack of big plays allowed.

As mentioned, Miami has allowed sparingly few pass plays of 20-plus yards. Similarly, just 30 rushes have gone for 10 yards or more, a rate that ranks eighth among Power 5 conference teams.

Overall, Miami’s opponents are being tackled for negative plays less often (12.9 percent of rushes against the Canes, 16.6 percent in other games) but also picking up big chunks less often (10.8 percent against Miami compared with 17.4 percent vs. others).

Add it all up, and you certainly don’t get a dominant defense, but Miami also isn’t playing with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed these days either.

Of the 33 four- and five-star recruits inked by Miami in the pst three classes, just 12 were exclusively defensive players in high school. Of the starting 11 against Virginia Tech last week, six were rated as three-star players or lower as recruits. The bottom line is that D’Onofrio seems to know what he has at Miami right now, and he’s employing a defense that plays to the skills of the players he has rather than ask them to perform like the NFL stars who used to call Coral Gables home.
The big chunk plays are defense allows come at the worst times. Also despite Gtech running well overall, why did we loss to them this when we beat them last year. It just doesn't add up P.S u can't blame the 11 said defensive recruits for not playing well, it's bad development forcing others to play
 
Our passing numbers look good against FBS teams for the same reason our rushing numbers against FBS are ****.
 
It doesn't tell the whole story of how putrid the philosophy is and why not only fans continue to question it but some of the brightest minds in football. And let's not forget the kids that refuse to commit here because of it. UM should be at worst 7-1 with the only loss coming against UL because the offense was beyond terrible instead this team is 5-3 and just about out of the coastal race again.
 
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Yards per play is just dumb. Someone needs to explain that if you CONSISTENTLY give up 5-6 yards per play then your defense never gets off the field. We are too CONSISTENT and this is evident by the fact that are numbers don't benefit from TFLs or suffer from stat skewing big plays.

Again, you rather give up an 90 yard bomb and then get 4 straight three and outs, or give up five yards per play for 5 straight possessions? The former gives up 7pts and 7yds per play, the later gives up 35pts and 5yds per play.
 
Yards per play is just dumb. Someone needs to explain that if you CONSISTENTLY give up 5-6 yards per play then your defense never gets off the field. We are too CONSISTENT and this is evident by the fact that are numbers don't benefit from TFLs or suffer from stat skewing big plays.

Again, you rather give up an 90 yard bomb and then get 4 straight three and outs, or give up five yards per play for 5 straight possessions? The former gives up 7pts and 7yds per play, the later gives up 35pts and 5yds per play.

FWIW, yards per play is usually a good indicator but not in this case for the reasons you stated in your post.
 
Not going to ***** off at you for noting something that has statistics backing it up. Would be interesting to see additional stats for special teams and breakdowns by halves and quarters. Something doesn't seem right about this team - perhaps it's the big plays that are killing us? Adjustments? Predictability? Special teams. Tackles for loss? 3rd down efficiency? Need some stat guru to pick this up.
 
I could really care less what the numbers are. All you have to do to see how bad this defense plays is watch the game. Numbers dont tell how bad the philosophy and the positioning is.
 
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Not going to ***** off at you for noting something that has statistics backing it up. Would be interesting to see additional stats for special teams and breakdowns by halves and quarters. Something doesn't seem right about this team - perhaps it's the big plays that are killing us? Adjustments? Predictability? Special teams. Tackles for loss? 3rd down efficiency? Need some stat guru to pick this up.

3rd downs is what was killing us in the 3 losses. Both offensively and defensively.
 
Yards per play is just dumb. Someone needs to explain that if you CONSISTENTLY give up 5-6 yards per play then your defense never gets off the field. We are too CONSISTENT and this is evident by the fact that are numbers don't benefit from TFLs or suffer from stat skewing big plays.

Again, you rather give up an 90 yard bomb and then get 4 straight three and outs, or give up five yards per play for 5 straight possessions? The former gives up 7pts and 7yds per play, the later gives up 35pts and 5yds per play.

Plus your defense is getting drained on the 7yards a play drive which kills you later
 
Not going to ***** off at you for noting something that has statistics backing it up. Would be interesting to see additional stats for special teams and breakdowns by halves and quarters. Something doesn't seem right about this team - perhaps it's the big plays that are killing us? Adjustments? Predictability? Special teams. Tackles for loss? 3rd down efficiency? Need some stat guru to pick this up.

3rd downs is what was killing us in the 3 losses. Both offensively and defensively.

3rd and 16 to start the 4th Quarter against GT

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Yards per play is just dumb. Someone needs to explain that if you CONSISTENTLY give up 5-6 yards per play then your defense never gets off the field. We are too CONSISTENT and this is evident by the fact that are numbers don't benefit from TFLs or suffer from stat skewing big plays.

Again, you rather give up an 90 yard bomb and then get 4 straight three and outs, or give up five yards per play for 5 straight possessions? The former gives up 7pts and 7yds per play, the later gives up 35pts and 5yds per play.

Good point but you forgot 2 add 2 others
1. the 7 yard a play drives tire your defense out fast.
2. it keeps your offense on the bench and their Defense fresh
 
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Not going to ***** off at you for noting something that has statistics backing it up. Would be interesting to see additional stats for special teams and breakdowns by halves and quarters. Something doesn't seem right about this team - perhaps it's the big plays that are killing us? Adjustments? Predictability? Special teams. Tackles for loss? 3rd down efficiency? Need some stat guru to pick this up.

3rd downs is what was killing us in the 3 losses. Both offensively and defensively.

I would add turnovers to that as well. 2 picks each game and duke fumble against Nebraska.
 
Not going to ***** off at you for noting something that has statistics backing it up. Would be interesting to see additional stats for special teams and breakdowns by halves and quarters. Something doesn't seem right about this team - perhaps it's the big plays that are killing us? Adjustments? Predictability? Special teams. Tackles for loss? 3rd down efficiency? Need some stat guru to pick this up.

3rd downs is what was killing us in the 3 losses. Both offensively and defensively.

3rd and 16 to start the 4th Quarter against GT

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It's 3rd down and extra long to begin the quarter.

The opponent comes out in...you guessed it...trips left.

We're in BASE DEFENSE!!!!! We start with safeties double high, but it's a 3 deep.

The X runs off the corner, which leaves the slot receiver one on one with...YOU GUESSED IT...A LINEBACKER (Armbrister)

Slot runs a wheel route right into the area where the corner used to be and Armbrister is in no man's land as he pulls it in.

Absolutely maddening.
 
"Add it all up, and you certainly don’t get a dominant defense, but Miami also isn’t playing with Ray Lewis and Ed Reed these days either."

So we can only win if we have Reed and Lewis?
 
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The only problem with this experiment is that they completely ignore points per game.

That is the game. Points scored. Where do we rank there against the same does and their opponents?
 
Yards per play is just dumb. Someone needs to explain that if you CONSISTENTLY give up 5-6 yards per play then your defense never gets off the field. We are too CONSISTENT and this is evident by the fact that are numbers don't benefit from TFLs or suffer from stat skewing big plays.

Again, you rather give up an 90 yard bomb and then get 4 straight three and outs, or give up five yards per play for 5 straight possessions? The former gives up 7pts and 7yds per play, the later gives up 35pts and 5yds per play.

Good point but you forgot 2 add 2 others
1. the 7 yard a play drives tire your defense out fast.
2. it keeps your offense on the bench and their Defense fresh

1. Think that's the 5 yds, but maybe I said it wrong.

Either way, u need to factor in variability....football rewards a team for consistently getting at least 10 yards over 3 plays. If you are narrowing down the variability (both directions, positive and negative) then you never get off the field. I'm not sure how to statistically account for that but it's the danger of just using yards per play to judge a defense.
 
The only problem with this experiment is that they completely ignore points per game.

That is the game. Points scored. Where do we rank there against the same does and their opponents?

I don't think that's valid either....we "only" gave up 28 to GT, but they had the ball the whole **** game. We had 6-7 possessions I think.
 
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