Brenden Sorsby- The Gambling Addiction

[Calinative]

That won’t happen. What the CFP should do is make the AP part of their criteria because the AP voters will for sure punish Texas Tech.

… uh what’s the difference? Cfp committee absolute has this power. They left FSU out. They can artificially rank them outside the playoff. Only thing stopping this is if Texas Tech wins b12 championships honestly.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

But this is probably the last year he will play football as the NFL has rules about this issue that are collectively bargained and enforced. And even without the rules, few teams will want a gambler at QB of all positions.

 

[Jonnyblaze]

That won’t happen. What the CFP should do is make the AP part of their criteria because the AP voters will for sure punish Texas Tech.

… uh what’s the difference? Cfp committee absolute has this power. They left FSU out. They can artificially rank them outside the playoff. Only thing stopping this is if Texas Tech wins b12 championships honestly.

They have the power I’m just saying they won’t do it.

 

[Calinative]

The gambling rules are collectively bargained, too.

When the Supreme Court effectively legalized sports betting in 2018, the players and the league had to negotiate the scope of betting restrictions.

It’s not a contentious issue because everyone agrees you can’t bet on your own games. But it’s part of the same framework. It wasn’t on the stone tablets handed down to Moses.

Would you support a player taking PEDs? Explain the difference

 

[Calinative]

I think very, very few of us want anything bad for Sorsby. The young man is sick and needs real help. I hope he gets real help and not a 30 day “look at me I went to” rehab like Tiger Woods.

But this is probably the last year he will play football as the NFL has rules about this issue that are collectively bargained and enforced. And even without the rules, few teams will want a gambler at QB of all positions. No one has more ability to impact a game or prop bet than a QB. For his sake let’s hope he doesn’t blow all his money on gambling. But I am afraid he will.

Lmao he’s a talented QB. The NFL will draft him highly. If he does something while in the NFL he will be punished accordingly. At most he’d receive a season long suspension - if he was actually ruled ineligible and entered the supplemental draft. But that isn’t happening now.

 

[TNmiami]

Would you support a player taking PEDs? Explain the difference

If it means we win a natty then yes

 

[ST26]

Yes, and @AtlAtty raises an incredibly relevant point on the gambling rules.

These are NOT "NCAA rules". These are EVERY SPORT EVER rules.

Unfortunately 90%+ of male college athletes probably break those rules. What are your thoughts on how they limit it? I originally thought the only realistic solution that comes to mind is for all states to ban placing wagers on any college sports teams located within the state. However, most of these kids use other people’s accounts (other college students, hometown friends, relatives) or illegal books, so It really doesn’t help

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The gambling rules are collectively bargained, too.

When the Supreme Court effectively legalized sports betting in 2018, the players and the league had to negotiate the scope of betting restrictions.

It’s not a contentious issue because everyone agrees you can’t bet on your own games. But it’s part of the same framework. It wasn’t on the stone tablets handed down to Moses.

So it was legal for players to gamble before 2018?

Again, you're confusing "legality" under the law with "legality" under the rules.

Oh, wait, it was illegal for Sorsby to bet in Ohio when he did. Both in the eyes of the law and the NCAA.

Sorsby violated the law. He admitted to it. Just one question, is he exempt from criminal charges in Ohio because of his disease?

All I'm hoping for is some sort of reasonable conversation. Now you are comparing anti-gambling rules to the Ten Commandments. Come on, get real here. Was there ever a time when gambling was allowed in any real sport? If not, then these rules are long-standing rules OF EVERY SPORT.

You can have issues with the NCAA and its rules. But to say that "nothing matters, you can do whatever you want to do"...and then justify it "because Miami tampered with Mensah"...I mean, if you don't see it, then you don't see it. But I really hope you see it.

One retired judge in Texas did something. It doesn't mean the NCAA has no rules, or that none of its rules are enforceable.

 

[AtlAtty]

Lmao he’s a talented QB. The NFL will draft him highly. If he does something while in the NFL he will be punished accordingly. At most he’d receive a season long suspension - if he was actually ruled ineligible and entered the supplemental draft. But that isn’t happening now.

Let’s put a pin in this and revisit this issue next April after the draft. I think gambling on a team is more toxic than you so to NFlL teams, and I think NFL GM’s are more aligned with my view, especially after reading Todd Monken’s recent comments about whether they would take Sorsby in the Supplemental Draft.

 

[TemplarCane]

I'll make this simple.

The CFP ALEADY has rules that allow it to exclude a team it woudl normally include because a specific player is NOT participating. This is exactly why F$U was ranked #5 that year.

And I'm not saying they exclude Texas Tech because they believe "Sorsby should not be allowed to play". Instead, because Sorsby's eligibility was already removed by the NCAA, and has only been temporarily reinstated by a retired judge in Texas and a sloooooow appellate process. And if the CFP correctly believes that the NCAA is likely to prevail on the merits, they can choose to do whatever they choose to do.

Sorsby admitted to violating the NCAA rules. That is not in question. Why does the CFP have to be forced to allow a player (and team) to participate who have knowingly admitted to NCAA rules violations?

This is not the same as the Florida State case. Jordan Travis was injured and could not play. For the sake of your argument, Sorsby could be ruled ineligible during playoffs and the CFP does not accept ineligible players.

Valid argument to exclude Texas Tech. I get it.

My reply to the original post was based on an assumption Sorsby either wins in court or the NCAA chooses not to proceed. Unlikely as this may be.

Does the CFP Committee have the ability to exclude Texas Tech from the CFP because Sorsby is participating and he is eligible? I am simply questioning if their contract with the participating conferences and the major TV networks allows them to make such an arbitrary choice.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Unfortunately 90%+ of male college athletes probably break those rules. What are your thoughts on how they limit it? I originally thought the only realistic solution that comes to mind is for all states to ban placing wagers on any college sports teams located within the state. However, most of these kids use other people’s accounts (other college students, hometown friends, relatives) or illegal books, so It really doesn’t help

If you believe that 90% of male college athletes bet on their own sport and their own team, then you should probably stop betting, because it's all fixed. You might as well set your cash on fire.

As for how they "limit it", you can't prevent anything. You can only punish it and hope that the punishment serves as a deterrent. Which is how society operates on everything, from speeding tickets to murder.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Could the CFP exclude Texas Tech from its rankings if Sorsby plays while the case is working its way through the court system? What happens if we’re at the end of the regular season and Texas Tech wins the Big 12 conference and meets the selection criteria for inclusion in the CFP? Is your presumption the case could turn against Sorsby during the playoffs, making him ineligible?

This is not the same as the Florida State case, as Jordan Travis was injured and could not play. For the sake of your argument, Sorsby could be ruled ineligible during playoffs and the CFP does not accept ineligible players.

Valid argument to exclude Texas Tech. I get it.

My reply to the original post was based on an assumption Sorsby either wins in court or the NCAA chooses not to proceed. Unlikely as this may be.

Does the CFP Committee have the ability to exclude Texas Tech from the CFP because Sorsby is participating and he is eligible? I am simply questioning if their contract with the participating conferences and the major TV networks allows them to make such arbitrary choice.

I'll just skip to the final paragraph and say that we will soon find out. As for "he is elgible", that all depends on who you believe. The NCAA made the rules and enforces the rules, and they said no. A random 15-year-retired judge with no collegiate rules experience in Nowheresville, Texas has TEMPORARILY granted a TRO that cannot be challenged fast enough. It's a pickle.

A lot of people are acting like "this will help Congress to pass a bill". But "Brandon Sorsby" isn't going to convince the Big 10 and SEC to support a bill they don't support. If anything, Brandon Sorsby is uniting a lot of mutually agitated frenemies to "do something about the Brandon Sorsby problem".

I don't think the ball is going to bounce the way that Cody Campbell thought the ball was going to bounce.

 

[mirvin88]

If you believe that 90% of male college athletes bet on their own sport and their own team, then you should probably stop betting, because it's all fixed. You might as well set your cash on fire.

As for how they "limit it", you can't prevent anything. You can only punish it and hope that the punishment serves as a deterrent. Which is how society operates on everything, from speeding tickets to murder.

Bingo. Somehow along the way this concept has been largely lost.

You don’t have to catch them all. You create a atmosphere where it doesn’t even come to mind to attempt.

 

[ST26]

Unfortunately 90%+ of male college athletes probably break those rules. What are your thoughts on how they limit it? I originally thought the only realistic solution that comes to mind is for all states to ban placing wagers on any college sports teams located within the state. However, most of these kids use other people’s accounts (other college students, hometown friends, relatives) or illegal books, so It really doesn’t help

If you believe that 90% of male college athletes bet on their own sport and their own team, then you should probably stop betting, because it's all fixed. You might as well set your cash on fire.

As for how they "limit it", you can't prevent anything. You can only punish it and hope that the punishment serves as a deterrent. Which is how society operates on everything, from speeding tickets to murder.

I believe 90%+ of college athletes bet on college sports in general. Betting rules apply to you across all college sports, not just yours


Sorsby is an idiot. If he used an illegal book or hometown friend, he never would have gotten caught. I suspect he was placing bets for team members, which is why his units were so big

 

[TemplarCane]

I'll just skip to the final paragraph and say that we will soon find out. As for "he is elgible", that all depends on who you believe. The NCAA made the rules and enforces the rules, and they said no. A random 15-year-retired judge with no collegiate rules experience in Nowheresville, Texas has TEMPORARILY granted a TRO that cannot be challenged fast enough. It's a pickle.

A lot of people are acting like "this will help Congress to pass a bill". But "Brandon Sorsby" isn't going to convince the Big 10 and SEC to support a bill they don't support. If anything, Brandon Sorsby is uniting a lot of mutually agitated frenemies to "do something about the Brandon Sorsby problem".

I don't think the ball is going to bounce the way that Cody Campbell thought the ball was going to bounce.

I agree, time will tell on this matter.

And I agree this is not the tipping point for the Senate bill. This is just one more problem among many problems currently facing the structure of college football. And in this specific case, I hope it gets worse.

 

[LeavingJesusland]

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Wrong. We only take *** offenders. Not cheaters

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I believe 90%+ of college athletes bet on college sports in general. Betting rules apply to you across all college sports, not just yours


Sorsby is an idiot. If he used an illegal book or hometown friend, he never would have gotten caught. I suspect he was placing bets for team members, which is why his units were so big

I'm not arguing the rule. I'm following on @DMoney saying that "when sports betting was legalized" there were changes to CBAs.

I'm trying to set up a hierarchy. Yes, gambling is so prevalent that it might be hard to chase down every type of violation. But if you set your bright lines on "your sport" and "your team", you have a better chance of those rules being retained even under a collectively-bargained agreement.

If ALL we discovered was that Brandon Sorsby was betting on the outcomes of Texas Tech quidditch matches, therre would not be the same concern and outrage compared to the response to "Brandon Sorsby bet on college football" and/or "Brandon Sorsby bet on-or-against his own team".

 

[DMoney]

The gambling rules are collectively bargained, too.

When the Supreme Court effectively legalized sports betting in 2018, the players and the league had to negotiate the scope of betting restrictions.

It’s not a contentious issue because everyone agrees you can’t bet on your own games. But it’s part of the same framework. It wasn’t on the stone tablets handed down to Moses.

So it was legal for players to gamble before 2018?

Again, you're confusing "legality" under the law with "legality" under the rules.

Oh, wait, it was illegal for Sorsby to bet in Ohio when he did. Both in the eyes of the law and the NCAA.

Sorsby violated the law. He admitted to it. Just one question, is he exempt from criminal charges in Ohio because of his disease?

All I'm hoping for is some sort of reasonable conversation. Now you are comparing anti-gambling rules to the Ten Commandments. Come on, get real here. Was there ever a time when gambling was allowed in any real sport? If not, then these rules are long-standing rules OF EVERY SPORT.

You can have issues with the NCAA and its rules. But to say that "nothing matters, you can do whatever you want to do"...and then justify it "because Miami tampered with Mensah"...I mean, if you don't see it, then you don't see it. But I really hope you see it.

One retired judge in Texas did something. It doesn't mean the NCAA has no rules, or that none of its rules are enforceable.

If the NCAA’s rules were enforceable, Charlie Baker wouldn’t be crying to Congress that the NCAA can’t enforce its own rules.

I think you’re viewing this like a Miami fan. All those comments about “notorious cowboy corruption” in Texas courts- how do you think the rest of the country sees us?

When the NCAA and conference lobbyists complain about the Wild West of college sports, the Lucas and Mensah sagas will be listed in the same chapter as this Sorsby debacle. And it doesn’t matter, because Lucas and Mensah are still suiting up for us.

Programs like FSU and Clemson have been crying about what college football should be. We’re winning because we are playing it as it is.

 

[Calinative]

Let’s put a pin in this and revisit this issue next April after the draft. I think gambling on a team is more toxic than you so to NFlL teams, and I think NFL GM’s are more aligned with my view, especially after reading Todd Monken’s recent comments about whether they would take Sorsby in the Supplemental Draft.

i wouldn’t take that as valid evidence on a large scale at all. They have to still deal with Watson contract, are trying to restart, already have 2 other young QBs they just drafted on roster. Again this wouldn’t apply to NEXT yr except the draft pick. He’d be on the team this yr.

 

[hurricaneman]

Two thoughts:

One: This thing actually has the potential to blow up the current structure. My tinfoil hat has a lot of thoughts about how this has gone down. There's a lot that's happened in college football that people don't like, but have put up with, however I have a feeling this is a line in the sand for everyone. If he's allowed to play it's going to change everything. Which some people obviously want.

Two: if Sorsby plays then the season is going to be absolutely toxic for Texas Tech. If they make the playoffs it'll get even worse, because they'll have taken a spot from someone who will likely go nuclear on the PR trail. I'm not sure I'd want this if I was TT.