Brenden Sorsby- The Gambling Addiction

[wnycanesfan]

Likelihood of success?

This is the element I am not understanding. There are rules, he broke them clearly.

Is there an argument stating there are actually no rules? And thats how they would win.

Or is the argument, yea there are rules and he broke them, but the punishment is too severe?

Very odd ruling.

He did more than break the rule he readily admitted to breaking the rule and still got a slap on the wrist. What I don't understand in these cases is why hasn't the NCAA looked to move them to federal court outside of the jurisdiction of the school in question seeing as the rulings impact schools and athletes across the state lines.

 

[one98d]

People are going to go to Texas Tech games and they’re going to get real volatile and it’s going to get extremely dangerous at the stadiums because them folks are going to want to show on live television their anger over this.

This is going to get bad fast and the powers that be at Texas Tech don’t give two sh*ts about throwing the sport into chaos, over 5 million f*cking dollars.

Texas Tech is putting their players, staff, fans, and other employees at risk over this, because it only takes one angry person to lash out and cause a real bad situation.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Fair. For all we know the injunction may be overturned and this discussion is moot.

The Florida State the situation was different. Jordan Travis was injured and unable to play so the committee, based on established selection criteria, excluded Florida State from the final four.

I don’t believe the situations are similar unless your comment is based on Texas Tech qualifying for the playoffs only to lose Brendan Sorsby to ineligibility. If this were the case, I would agree the committee could use the same option to not include Texas Tech in the final 12. The Red Raiders would no longer be the same team.

I am referring to the other post that the CFP should exclude Texas Tech because they believe Sorsby should not be allowed to play.

The SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, etc signed a contract with the CFP to stage the playoffs. Part of the agreement is agreeing how teams are selected. The CFP is contractually bound to how to select teams.

Show me where the CFP agreement allows the CFP to exclude a team it would normally include because a specific player is participating.

There well may be such a loophole.

I'll make this simple.

The CFP ALEADY has rules that allow it to exclude a team it woudl normally include because a specific player is NOT participating. This is exactly why F$U was ranked #5 that year.

And I'm not saying they exclude Texas Tech because they believe "Sorsby should not be allowed to play". Instead, because Sorsby's eligibility was already removed by the NCAA, and has only been temporarily reinstated by a retired judge in Texas and a sloooooow appellate process. And if the CFP correctly believes that the NCAA is likely to prevail on the merits, they can choose to do whatever they choose to do.

Sorsby admitted to violating the NCAA rules. That is not in question. Why does the CFP have to be forced to allow a player (and team) to participate who have knowingly admitted to NCAA rules violations?

 

[Tony4Canes]

 

[305407cane]

This is a truly hilarious story and thankfully it’s Texas tech and not a real contender. Should be very entertaining. Very excited for this years cfb season from a national perspective.

And just to reiterate. This is very bad for cfb that basically you can do whatever you want and just keep judge-hopping until you get the answer you want

 

[Calinative]

Of course Sorsby was wrong. If there were any rules, he wouldn’t be playing.

And if there were any rules, Mensah wouldn’t be our quarterback.

A set up with actual rules mean no gambling on college football (obviously) and binding pay-for-play contracts.

But since there are no rules, we both have quarterbacks.

Why if there were any rules Mensah wouldn’t be our starting QB? Not a single “rule” was broken lmao. He LITERALLY requested to enter portal before it closed. Let’s be accurate here. He had an NIL agreement for 2 yrs. Nothing about that is a rule issue regarding him playing for a different program.

 

[DMoney]

If there are no rules, then there is no sport. Why doesn't our DT just murder the QB? There are no rules, after all. We just find a judge in Miami to issue a TRO during halftime, and he's back on the field for the third quarter.

It's a ridiculous argument to argue the extreme. Are there issues with the rules? Sure. I've been criticizing the NCAA for years for, quite literally, doing NOTHING after the Alston case, and then crying for Daddy Congress to change the NCAA's dirty diapers.

And I don't give a **** about some argument about which thing "impacted competitive balance" more. ****, if "impacting competitive balance" was the issue, then the entire NCAA should have sued Alabama for tampering with Saban while he was under contract with the Dolphins.

The reality is that issues on transferability (which EVERY college student has the right to do) and compensation have valid grounds on which individuals have SUCCESSFULLY prevailed, in a wide variety of cases, including Alston, which was NOT an NIL case, but an academic achievement award case.

But that is different from bedrock principles involving the betting on one's own sport or team. And don't try to minimize it by playing it off as a "competitive balance" issue. By that measure, Jameis Winston should have never been disciplined for anything in college, because he only raped a couple of girls, which had no bearing on competitive balance.

I realize you're a big fan of professional wrestling, which is a performative event where the outcome is already scripted in advance. If you allow the participants in a sport to gamble and take self-interested positions in the outcome of the contest, you no longer have a sport. You have professional wrestling. Which is kabuki theater in which you are NOT allowed to bet on the outcome, because the outcome is fixed.

If there are rules, how did Texas Tech get away with it? The appeal likely won’t even be heard until after the season.

Everybody is just wasting ink on fake distinctions. Texas Tech shouldn’t have Sorsby. We shouldn’t have Mensah. But we do, and the NCAA can’t stop us.

Nothing matters until we have a real system.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This is a truly hilarious story and thankfully it’s Texas tech and not a real contender. Should be very entertaining. Very excited for this years cfb season from a national perspective.

And just to reiterate. This is very bad for cfb that basically you can do whatever you want and just keep judge-hopping until you get the answer you want

Texas Tech was in the CFP playoffs last year. The #4 overall seed. Not sure how they are not a "real contender".

 

[CreativeCane]

If he’s truly allowed to play, the circus will create such distractions for that team. Every turnover, overthrow, or check down will be examined with a microscope. Some sort of media will ask if he’s gambling after every game. Opponent coaches will use it as a talking point in the media every week. Fans will be taunting him relentlessly as TTU is now seen as public enemy #1 for the integrity of the sport.

Hope an expedited appeal overturns this nonsense.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

If there are rules, how did Texas Tech get away with it? The appeal likely won’t even be heard until after the season.

Everybody is just wasting ink on fake distinctions. Texas Tech shouldn’t have Sorsby. We shouldn’t have Mensah. But we do, and the NCAA can’t stop us.

Nothing matters until we have a real system.

You know very well how Texas Tech "got away with it". They forum-shopped in the district in which Texas Tech is located. They took advantage of a notoriously-slow appellate process in a state in which a "judge" is allowed to issue orders 15 years after "retirement" because the second-largest state in the country refuses to hire/appoint/elect more judges to handle the workload.

Fake distinctions? You are comparing the case of a player transferring to a case of a player gambling on his own sport and his own team?

Look, if this was you and Peter arguing, I could acknowledge the work. And I get the frustration that Texas Tech "got away with it". But you can't possibly be arguing that there are no rules and we should do nothing to try to enforce the rules.

This reminds me of the advice that Bobby Knight gave to women who were being raped.

The TRO is an illegitimate legal document issued by an illegitimate judge. Where is the basis and finding of "likelihood of prevailing on the merits"? And why is a 15-YEAR-RETIRED judge issuing orders in a role that is supposed to be reserved for ELECTED judges?

 

[skyman]

What do you think had more of an impact on competitive integrity, a backup QB betting props on DraftKings or a national power stealing the star QB off a conference champion the day before the Portal closed?

Campbell is smiling because this kind of a result will push Congress to act. And he likes the bill that’s currently on their desks.

No other professional sport has these issues with their internal rule enforcement. There are no rules. I hope when the rules get laid down, they favor teams like Texas Tech and Miami and not the SEC and Big 10.

Is this supposed to be comparing guy placing bets on his team to someone entering his name in portal within the time frame players can enter their name in portal?

 

[DMoney]

Is this supposed to be comparing guy placing bets on his team to someone entering his name in portal within the time frame players can enter their name in portal?

Mensah didn’t do anything morally wrong. But what we did would never fly in any league that had rules.

Can you imagine that happening in the NFL?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Is this supposed to be comparing guy placing bets on his team to someone entering his name in portal within the time frame players can enter their name in portal?

@DMoney is Al Pacino in "And Justice For All"...same great hair...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Mensah didn’t do anything wrong. But what we did would never fly in any league that had rules.

Can you imagine that happening in the NFL?

What did "we do"? And if "we did" something wrong, then let the NCAA prove it and punish us.

But you are conflating "team rules" (which have been notoriously difficult to prosecute and prove FOR DECADES) with rules of indvidual contact, which have not been as difficult to enforce.

And on the indvidual rules, there are some that are valid (gambling, eligibility) and some that are less valid (restrictions on pay, restrictions on transfers).

To ignore rules disctinctions and declare that there are "no rules" is just wrong. If there are no rules and everyone can just forum-shop in courtrooms in order to build a roster, then we no longer have a sport.

And if you want a real sport and not a fixed pro wrestling outcome, you need to enforce the rules that do not run afoul of antitrust.

 

[DMoney]

If there are no rules and everyone can just forum-shop in courtrooms in order to build a roster, then we no longer have a sport.

Then we no longer have a sport, because it just happened.

Everybody loves to scream “GABOS” when we benefit from the chaos. This is the other side of the same coin.

I support teams like Texas Tech and Miami who push the limits. Other teams have been doing it for decades, at our expense. It’s not our job to follow rules that can’t be enforced.

When the sport comes together for a real system, we should be part of that. But until then, I hope Miami is doing everything humanly possible to take advantage of the void.

 

[AtlAtty]

If there are rules, how did Texas Tech get away with it? The appeal likely won’t even be heard until after the season.

Everybody is just wasting ink on fake distinctions. Texas Tech shouldn’t have Sorsby. We shouldn’t have Mensah. But we do, and the NCAA can’t stop us.

Nothing matters until we have a real system.

Gambling and the transfer portal are completely different. One goes directly to the integrity of te sport, which is why every single sport in existence has the same rule. No gambling is effectively a Commandment when it comes to sports. And sports cannot function with any modicum of integrity of gambling rules are not enforced. The prohibition against gambling is universal.

The Transfer rules are rules created only by the NCAA with no input from players which means no collective bargaining. No other entity other than the NCAA has transfer rules like these. Indeed, they all have rules, but they are all collectively bargained rules.

I’m shocked you, as an attorney, would equate the transfer rules with the gambling rules. This argument would never work in court and it should not be allowed to work in the court of CIS.

 

[mirvin88]

Mensah didn’t do anything morally wrong. But what we did would never fly in any league that had rules.

Can you imagine that happening in the NFL?

I think this argument is wild. Mensah quite literally did nothing wrong. He put his paperwork in before the deadline. You can debate on him leaving Duke high and dry all you want. It being distasteful doesn’t equal wrong.

“Wouldn’t fly in other leagues” what? Players demand trades in the NFL all the time. That is most similar to a Mensah type transfer.

You know what IS universally unacceptable across all sports? Gambling on your own team.

 

[AtlAtty]

Mensah didn’t do anything morally wrong. But what we did would never fly in any league that had rules.

Can you imagine that happening in the NFL?

This is a straw man argument.

The Mensah situaiton would never occur in the NFL because there are collectively bargained rules for contracts and free agency. It is the absence of collectively bargained rules that create ann environment in which a player can just transfer.

Come on brother this isn’t the hill to die on. Let Elijah Lofton be your hill (though I still think you will be vindicated).

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Then we no longer have a sport, because it just happened.

Everybody loves to scream “GABOS” when we benefit from the chaos. This is the other side of the same coin.

It happened one time in one part of the country that is notorious for this kind of corrupt cowboy ****. We can either allow it or fight back. There are still plenty of things that can still be done that will prevent Brandon Sorsby from hoisting a trophy on January 25, 2027.

And nobody screams "GABOS" because of "the chaos". The G stands for game. The game is the sport. If we don't have a game or a sport, then dip****s can yell ABOS for all I care.

Let's be honest, we aren't supposed to have murder either. But it happens. And when it does, we must take every action to try to punish it and prevent it from happening again. We don't just sit back and say "it happened" and then claim there are no laws, because in a "real society" they would tolerate murder less than we do.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think this argument is wild. Mensah quite literally did nothing wrong. He put his paperwork in before the deadline. You can debate on him leaving Duke high and dry all you want. It being distasteful doesn’t equal wrong.

“Wouldn’t fly in other leagues” what? Players demand trades in the NFL all the time. That is most similar to a Mensah type transfer.

You know what IS universally unacceptable across all sports? Gambling on your own team.

I think @DMoney is trying to say that Miami tampered without actually saying that Miami tampered. And that Mensah "did nothing wrong" by being 50% of the tampering equation.