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Beyond who our DC is, and who calls plays- here's my question:...

we have major problems at the LB position, that's my biggest worry

trob, jess simpson, and manny calling plays we are in a much better spot than we have been the last two seasons imo
 
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miamimike305 said:
I feel as if our LBs never make a play bc it’s too unorganized at the DL. Too many stunts, no gap integrity etc. Our linebackers are always out of the play when the opposite team runs outside the tackles. That’s why our safeties get there first since they have the best angle to get in front of the runner. The more the RB run sideways the better our linebackers pursue the play and make the play.
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Watch bamas defense. They play fundamental football. You beat them with elite wrs that can beat them consistently over the top and qbs that can have good pocket mobility and accuracy.

They pretty much eliminate your run game. Rarely do receivers run wide open. They immediately make the tackle giving up minimum yac. Their dline stay in there gaps.

It will be a long off season. Let’s hope Manny and the players are motivated since everyone thinks they will be destroyed.
 
Real ? for @JayCane20 @Liberty City El

I didn’t know anything about TRob until UF, and he was on Will Muschamps’ staff. He’s been attached to Bill, exclusively, since 2011 until now. When he got his shot as DC under Muschamp, USCe Def was pretty poor.

My question is, how good is T Rob really?

Looking at him outside of UF, and giving a pass for the 2016 class (since he barely got there), while at USCe from 17-20, USCe classes were:
2017: 21st
2018: 18th
2019 : 21st
2020: 19th
By comparison during this time, we were:
2017: 12th
2018: 8th
2019: 27th (coaching change)
2020: 16th.

As a recruiter:
2017: 56th (Coach Kul was 57th, Randy Shannon 17th, Dugans 35th, Searels #42)

2018: 159th (Rumph was 135th, Searels 99th, Brown 35th, Dugans 31st)

2019: 63rd (none of our coaches hit top100 during this coaching transition)

2020: 29th (Banda 14th)

When he was at UF (outside of 2011 b/c he was new), he was a top 25 recruiter in the nation, consistently. He goes to Auburn, and he’s 73rd, goes to USCe and he makes top 30 one time.

Are we possibly, again, possibly overhyping him as both a coach & recruiter? I know, I know...taboo to say, but with USCe fans not really caring that he’s gone, just curious. I don’t know enough about him except his 4 yr stint at UF where he was a monster. But prior to UF & after, I don’t know.
 
407cane said:
we have major problems at the LB position, that's my biggest worry

trob, jess simpson, and manny calling plays we are in a much better spot than we have been the last two seasons imo
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Agree on Simpson and TRob BUT was Manny (big nerd) On the Sidelines against N.C. and OK St not to mention No Show defensive performances against N.C. State and others??? I Guess the Cat had his Tongue! And maybe he had a Blindfold on to boot during those games. You are an Almost genius 407! NOT!
 
megvin said:
Agree on Simpson and TRob BUT was Manny (big nerd) On the Sidelines against N.C. and OK St not to mention No Show defensive performances against N.C. State and others??? I Guess the Cat had his Tongue! And maybe he had a Blindfold on to boot during those games. You are an Almost genius 407! NOT!
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think you mean UNC.

I guess I just am a realist, the way the majority of board pms' and freaks out every year we don't win a national championship and claims that we should fire everyone every single year doesn't make much sense. it's been every year since 2002 that these message boards have consisted of 100% negativity, even when things are looking up. people on here just love to suffer

i'm not a manny fanboy, i didn't like the hire of him as HC (i loved the hire of him as DC and debated people on here for months that he was the right hire for DC compared to the other terrible candidates people were begging for and were wrong about)


don brown vennables, gary patterson (who is a HC), dave aranda (who's now an HC), those are the defensive minds I would have been happy with. one common denominator is that none of them are AVAILABLE

the best one after them that's AVAILABLE imo that we had a realistic shot at to call plays next season? manny diaz, oh and btw manny calling plays costs the university $0 in additional money

what happens when manny calls plays? we go from one of the worst defenses in the country from the No'D days to one of the best defenses in the country in less than two years


our secondary gets smoked by unc and oklahoma state, so what do we do other than him calling plays? we get trob who is one of the most respected DB coaches and recruiters in the country, oh and we get a legit nfl starter type talen at CB in tyrique stevenson

our wr's lose the oklahoma state game (along with baker) -- he gets king to come back and get charleston rambo in the portal who will imo be our #1 wr next year.

what more do you people want? every issue that caused the oklahoma state and unc losses was addressed, maybe not to your liking but that's why you and I get paid approximately $0 a year to coach Division 1 football. Clemson got thrown on our schedule last minute

10 win season next year seems likely and that's only happened 1 time in almost 20 years for us
 
OK... But can we Actually Confirm the Cat did in fact have Manny's tongue or can we investigate the whole Blindfold Issue? I'm always a realist and pretty hopefully for my U most of the time! But Posters like you are Just Plain Delusional "way better off with Manny calling plays" (same Dope who stood ideally by while his BFF F'd us in several games). GREAT CONCLUSION! Manny will get dumped with his Boyfriend I hope next season Unless we get lucky and kids Develop rapidly! I hope I'm Wrong I want us to Win every game! BTW you said We Addressed all our issues?? Really? Blake Should not be a Coach at my U! Ball Boy or Locker Room cleaner at best!
 
megvin said:
OK... But can we Actually Confirm the Cat did in fact have Manny's tongue or can we investigate the whole Blindfold Issue? I'm always a realist and pretty hopefully for my U most of the time! But Posters like you are Just Plain Delusional "way better off with Manny calling plays" (same Dope who stood ideally by while his BFF F'd us in several games). GREAT CONCLUSION! Manny will get dumped with his Boyfriend I hope next season Unless we get lucky and kids Develop rapidly! I hope I'm Wrong I want us to Win every game! BTW you said We Addressed all our issues?? Really? Blake Should not be a Coach at my U! Ball Boy or Locker Room cleaner at best!
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I am of the personal opinion that blake baker is one of the worst defensive playcallers that we've ever had. I also understand football and i'm pretty confident most on here don't

do you understand the difference calling plays makes? it's not someone just reading the same script, you understand that right?

am I saying undefeated season? no. but yes I do think with trob, stevenson added to the CB room, simpsons back on DL, we are MUCH better off than we were this past season. I think you're delusional if you can't find the optimism in that
 
k9cane said:
will the Miami defense be coached at a higher, more competent level?

You can talk all you want about systems and schemes, and play-calls and play-callers. And of course beyond the X-and-O's, the Jimmy's and Joe's. I get that completely, both matter.

Yet, my biggest problem with the unit the past few years it that I saw far too many times the edges not being set, run plays being bounced outside for big yardage, no gap integrity or lane discipline, etc. That stuff goes beyond systems or play-calls. Our individual units (especially the linebacker) are not well-coached

Also, too many times on 2nd and 3rd and longs, where you know a draw play of some sort is coming, they get gashed for big yards - by those exact kind of plays you should be on the alert for. The lack of situational football awareness was alarming. Nobody could tell me we were a unit that was well coached and prepared on a consistent basis.

Hey, I'm not exactly Asian Bud Carson, but you don't have to be a michelin 5-star chef to know when you've had an awful meal and dont want to go back to a certain restaurant again. A layman could see that our defense the past two seasons looked unorganized and at times in flat out disarray. It actually goes beyond the destruction from UNC.

Nobody that I trust on this board that really knows the diagnostics of technical football has told me that we are a well-coached unit on this side of the ball. We have had some individual talent that has hid some of those flaws, but eventually, they also suffered as a result.

@gogeta4 pointed out something very interesting to me a few weeks ago. On the front end, Miami is overly reckless as they get upfield and get tackles for losses and sacks, but on the back end they play a real bend-but-dont-break. Again, it doesn't take Bill Belichick to figure out that those two philosophies can not work at the same time for one defense.

This upcoming season is going to be interesting, there are some high quality recruits coming in that have a real chance (or should have) the chance to play early. They would significantly upgrade the speed and athleticism of this unit. But my question is, will they be coached and developed individually, and will they be playing in a sound scheme?
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This team is sorely lacking in basic fundamentals. Especially at LB. That’s not getting fixed my time soon.
 
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You are TRUELY THICK Headed! When your Employee (Blake) is Calling a **** Game (ex NC) YOU MUST STEP IN!!!! AND CALL PLAYS (I know what that is) OR YOU ARE A **** HEAD COACH and IF Manny helped call plays in that Game God help us!! Can't Help You Anymore Wish I could! BTW I stated my Approval of TRob and Jess see my posts Don't know where you got that from! Just throw in the towel and we can move on as fellow fans!
 
Rellyrell said:
Real ? for @JayCane20 @Liberty City El

I didn’t know anything about TRob until UF, and he was on Will Muschamps’ staff. He’s been attached to Bill, exclusively, since 2011 until now. When he got his shot as DC under Muschamp, USCe Def was pretty poor.

My question is, how good is T Rob really?

Looking at him outside of UF, and giving a pass for the 2016 class (since he barely got there), while at USCe from 17-20, USCe classes were:
2017: 21st
2018: 18th
2019 : 21st
2020: 19th
By comparison during this time, we were:
2017: 12th
2018: 8th
2019: 27th (coaching change)
2020: 16th.

As a recruiter:
2017: 56th (Coach Kul was 57th, Randy Shannon 17th, Dugans 35th, Searels #42)

2018: 159th (Rumph was 135th, Searels 99th, Brown 35th, Dugans 31st)

2019: 63rd (none of our coaches hit top100 during this coaching transition)

2020: 29th (Banda 14th)

When he was at UF (outside of 2011 b/c he was new), he was a top 25 recruiter in the nation, consistently. He goes to Auburn, and he’s 73rd, goes to USCe and he makes top 30 one time.

Are we possibly, again, possibly overhyping him as both a coach & recruiter? I know, I know...taboo to say, but with USCe fans not really caring that he’s gone, just curious. I don’t know enough about him except his 4 yr stint at UF where he was a monster. But prior to UF & after, I don’t know.
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We may be giving him too much credit, but comparing overall classes does not make sense b/c 1) USCe is always going to be at a disadvantage to us and 2) you can't blame him (or give him credit for) the whole team's ranking.

As an individual it is definitely closer to an apples to apples comparison, but unless they are rating on some type of curve (maybe they do?), you still have the issue of being at a disadvantage being at a school like USCe.

He will also have the advantage of recruiting the area he does well in to go to a school they are more predisposed to go to in the first place.
 
reformedsteven said:
Do you see our DL being as dominant as our past D-lines? I don't see our DEs on the same level as Phillips, Roche, GR15, Joe Jackson, and Garvin. Where is the penetration and negative plays from our front 7 going to come from this year?
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Hopefully Simpson can help Silvera and Ford get to the next level. Silvera needs to commit to improving his technique. Ford needs to play more aware. Hunte is the best talent of the three and should blossom with a full offseason under Simpson.

Leonard Taylor, Elijah Roberts and Jason Blissett are all plus athletes who can play inside and outside.

The DEs need a young player to emerge alongside Harvey and DeAndre Johnson. Chantz has the most speed and physical upside. Thomas Davis is an EE and might force his way on the field.
 
407 Cane Still no word on Manny's tongue agn. North Carolina? My 9 year old plays Pee wee football and he saw the need to adjust the defense! Dumb Diaz should Have forced his employee Blake Baker to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT! ANYTHING!!! NO? This is the same guy according to your post "will be a hugh upgrade" Laughable!
 
Rellyrell said:
Real ? for @JayCane20 @Liberty City El

I didn’t know anything about TRob until UF, and he was on Will Muschamps’ staff. He’s been attached to Bill, exclusively, since 2011 until now. When he got his shot as DC under Muschamp, USCe Def was pretty poor.

My question is, how good is T Rob really?

Looking at him outside of UF, and giving a pass for the 2016 class (since he barely got there), while at USCe from 17-20, USCe classes were:
2017: 21st
2018: 18th
2019 : 21st
2020: 19th
By comparison during this time, we were:
2017: 12th
2018: 8th
2019: 27th (coaching change)
2020: 16th.

As a recruiter:
2017: 56th (Coach Kul was 57th, Randy Shannon 17th, Dugans 35th, Searels #42)

2018: 159th (Rumph was 135th, Searels 99th, Brown 35th, Dugans 31st)

2019: 63rd (none of our coaches hit top100 during this coaching transition)

2020: 29th (Banda 14th)

When he was at UF (outside of 2011 b/c he was new), he was a top 25 recruiter in the nation, consistently. He goes to Auburn, and he’s 73rd, goes to USCe and he makes top 30 one time.

Are we possibly, again, possibly overhyping him as both a coach & recruiter? I know, I know...taboo to say, but with USCe fans not really caring that he’s gone, just curious. I don’t know enough about him except his 4 yr stint at UF where he was a monster. But prior to UF & after, I don’t know.
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Interesting question bro!

Won’t matter though he’s outta here ASAP
 
kyle_schick said:
2020 Defense:
Manny's Defensive System
Blake implements his version of it
Manny supervises to make sure it jives with his System
Blake calls plays

2021:
Manny's Defensive System
Blake implements his version of it
Manny supervises to make sure it jives with his System
Manny calls plays

MAYBE there will be more aggression, but the System is fundamentally flawed as it is designed to ignore tightends and running backs, and keep everything in front of you. It has linebackers occupy blockers so the safeties can make the tackles.

You cant forget that it does not matter who is coaching. Those coaches have to have their philosophy, techniques, responsibilities,...signed off by Manny.

We've put out some truly awful film from this season, but have a lot of starters returning. Manny will still play favorites, so youre still going to see Ivey, McCloud, and Jennings start with a steadily diminishing role.

I'd bet money we lose to Alabama, Michigan St, UNC, and NC St. The Pitt, VT, and UVA games were all close this year. Im not expecting anything good from this team next year.
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MSU?
 
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Shogungts said:
We may be giving him too much credit, but comparing overall classes does not make sense b/c 1) USCe is always going to be at a disadvantage to us and 2) you can't blame him (or give him credit for) the whole team's ranking.

As an individual it is definitely closer to an apples to apples comparison, but unless they are rating on some type of curve (maybe they do?), you still have the issue of being at a disadvantage being at a school like USCe.

He will also have the advantage of recruiting the area he does well in to go to a school they are more predisposed to go to in the first place.
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Well even at Auburn, bro, a notorious bag school, he was 73rd rank as a recruiter. Typically a recruiter is a recruiter. I’m just asking b/c besides that quick run at UF, and he’s ALWAYS been under Muschamp...I’m just wondering who are we really getting.
 
I think you answered your own question. Individual flashes, mostly by portal guys we rent fora year, but not a lot of cohesion. So, no.
 
423Hurricane said:
Seems to have addressed 2 of the issues - DB and DL - with the TRob and Simpson hires. LB may still be an issue. Manny has stated there will be tweaks to the D scheme. Let's hope so.
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Where did Manny say there will be tweaks?
 
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