Benefits rule is un-American, illogical, and utter BS

Players receive over $200,000 worth of eduction, housing and food. The idea these guys get nothing is ridiculous.

More. MUCH more. They get tons of free clothes, gear, etc. They get tons of additional help not available to other students in terms of tutors and advisors. They get access to classes, on-campus housing and medical not offered to other students. They get stipends now. Eventhough it's not supposed to be allowed, they get discounts at local stores/restuarants/events because they are either told it's covered or get reduced bills without asking....things that are almost impossible to trace without someone keeping tabs and ratting like Nevin. I won't even talk about the fake grades and diplomas some earn. The list goes on. I lived it at my school, saw it at others and heard about it endless times.

The problem is, many of these kids live in a dream world and think they are owed so much more, so they never truly take advantage of what they have at their fingertips. Most of these kids will never make the league, but how many really take advantage of the education and all the resources at their disposal? How many of these kids would even have a shot at an education without college football? Yes, i understand the NCAA makes a ton of money on these games. I'm not stupid. But you can say that about any business, any system out there, even for non-athletes. College football makes a lot of money because these Universities have rabid fans, alums and students who shell out tons of money to support them. Try starting a minor league system and see how much money it makes.....i bet these kids would hate it, having to use their 30-40k a year to pay rent, utilities, taxes, medical, food, etc. Also lost in this is how much of the money these schools put back into their programs and how many are actually in the red. Didn't a school like UCONN or someone lose money the other year by GOING to a BCS Bowl Game?

You take the rules off and it becomes the wild west....an arms race that will end badly. There will be much bigger divides between the "haves" and "have nots", not only amongst the schools, but individually with players on the same team. If you don't think that would cause a rift, you are sorely mistaken. If you think kids wouldn't continue to push the envelope and want even more or do other things against rules/laws, you are also mistaken. Nothing ever seems to be enough in today's world and less seem to want to work for it every year.

College football is a choice. You either chose to enter that world or you don't. But if you chose to, you chose to do so with the understanding and acceptance of the rules in place.
Some choices, aren't real choices.

As is true in all life. If i want to be a doctor, i can't do so without spending 10 years in school and being $250k-500k in debt. But to be in that profession, it's not much of a choice. There are still rules.
 
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Lots of stupid in this thread, especially those attempting to rationalize what these young men did.
They knew the rules, and they knowingly broke it.
I would have some semblance of sympathy if a kid took money so his mom could pay the light
bill or if he needed to feed a mouth or two.
But this was nothing but pure greed.

And for those bemoaning these rules regarding benefits, do you not realize if the rules didn't exist
UM, and most private schools, would no longer have realistic opportunities for national titles?
Heck, maybe not even top25.

Stop posting garbage.

And that's why Trump won't win. Yall actual want and need all the mexicans here because you are all too cheap to pay a decent wage for hard work.

You're all over the place.
So you're saying you want free-for-all in college football where every school pays whatever the heck they want to pay
to their players.
Basically, you want the international soccer model.
Under that model UM football would be in the 2nd or 3rd division with no chance of first division.
Is that what you really want as a UM fan?
I get it, you're mad.
Direct it at the violators who knew the rules.
 
Lots of stupid in this thread, especially those attempting to rationalize what these young men did.
They knew the rules, and they knowingly broke it.
I would have some semblance of sympathy if a kid took money so his mom could pay the light
bill or if he needed to feed a mouth or two.
But this was nothing but pure greed.

And for those bemoaning these rules regarding benefits, do you not realize if the rules didn't exist
UM, and most private schools, would no longer have realistic opportunities for national titles?
Heck, maybe not even top25.

Stop posting garbage.

And that's why Trump won't win. Yall actual want and need all the mexicans here because you are all too cheap to pay a decent wage for hard work.

You're all over the place.
So you're saying you want free-for-all in college football where every school pays whatever the heck they want to pay
to their players.
Basically, you want the international soccer model.
Under that model UM football would be in the 2nd or 3rd division with no chance of first division.
Is that what you really want as a UM fan?
I get it, you're mad.
Direct it at the violators who knew the rules.

It's what I want as a free-market loving American capitalist.
 
Lots of stupid in this thread, especially those attempting to rationalize what these young men did.
They knew the rules, and they knowingly broke it.
I would have some semblance of sympathy if a kid took money so his mom could pay the light
bill or if he needed to feed a mouth or two.
But this was nothing but pure greed.

And for those bemoaning these rules regarding benefits, do you not realize if the rules didn't exist
UM, and most private schools, would no longer have realistic opportunities for national titles?
Heck, maybe not even top25.

Stop posting garbage.

And that's why Trump won't win. Yall actual want and need all the mexicans here because you are all too cheap to pay a decent wage for hard work.

You're all over the place.
So you're saying you want free-for-all in college football where every school pays whatever the heck they want to pay
to their players.
Basically, you want the international soccer model.
Under that model UM football would be in the 2nd or 3rd division with no chance of first division.
Is that what you really want as a UM fan?
I get it, you're mad.
Direct it at the violators who knew the rules.

It's what I want as a free-market loving American capitalist.

So basically you're a SEC fan, or will be if the Free-for-All landscape ever
transpires.

And btw, there has never been a "free-market" in this country.
 
Lots of stupid in this thread, especially those attempting to rationalize what these young men did.
They knew the rules, and they knowingly broke it.
I would have some semblance of sympathy if a kid took money so his mom could pay the light
bill or if he needed to feed a mouth or two.
But this was nothing but pure greed.

And for those bemoaning these rules regarding benefits, do you not realize if the rules didn't exist
UM, and most private schools, would no longer have realistic opportunities for national titles?
Heck, maybe not even top25.

Stop posting garbage.

And that's why Trump won't win. Yall actual want and need all the mexicans here because you are all too cheap to pay a decent wage for hard work.

You're all over the place.
So you're saying you want free-for-all in college football where every school pays whatever the heck they want to pay
to their players.
Basically, you want the international soccer model.
Under that model UM football would be in the 2nd or 3rd division with no chance of first division.
Is that what you really want as a UM fan?
I get it, you're mad.
Direct it at the violators who knew the rules.

It's what I want as a free-market loving American capitalist.

So basically you're a SEC fan, or will be if the Free-for-All landscape ever
transpires.

And btw, there has never been a "free-market" in this country.

You do all your shopping at Walmart don't you?
 
There is a more to a free market than shopping at WalMart.
Look, this is a UM football board.
Not worth the hassle, and not appropriate, discussing politics and economics on this
forum.
 
and I'm not even going to engage in a back and forth, I'm really not interested. But I'll say this, I can tell a lot about a person who supports it


This has nothing to do with supporting the rules.
It has to do with following it and having people on the team dumb enough to think
they can get away with driving exotic sports cars around the city.
I don't like the 55mph speed limits on my local highways and I think there are too
many Stop signs in my neighborhood, but I have to follow the rules too if I don't want
a ticket (fk the 55mph).
 
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:
The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl. A lot of them have no interest in school and aren't getting really any value out of being there. The free market would pay them real money for a minor league sort of system.

They aren't forced to ever attend college. They could go player in the CFL and once 3 years after HS passes they could go to the NFL. College is by far the best choice as they get a chance to get an education.

and showcase/hone their skills on the biggest stage.
 
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And no one is advocating for the breaking of the rules either. They are irresponsible for breaking the rules, but that doesn't automatically make the rules good.

The athletes aren't taking anything close to a class like quantum physics, believe me. If they did, they would be pulled to the side and redirected away. The quality of their educations is a factor in Andrew's initial post.

Also, Dalvin Cook was good enough to play in the NFL as a freshman IMO (and I'm sure many others). And all scholarship players make the university money collectively. I used Cook as an individual example because his individual play has literally carried his team to lucrative positions they wouldn't have reached without his services.
 
Most programs are break even ---- and besides, look at the number of kids graduating with huge student loans
- as the cost of college has skyrocketed, the players benefits from tuition and room & board is a big gift
 
And no one is advocating for the breaking of the rules either. They are irresponsible for breaking the rules, but that doesn't automatically make the rules good.

The athletes aren't taking anything close to a class like quantum physics, believe me. If they did, they would be pulled to the side and redirected away. The quality of their educations is a factor in Andrew's initial post.

Also, Dalvin Cook was good enough to play in the NFL as a freshman IMO (and I'm sure many others). And all scholarship players make the university money collectively. I used Cook as an individual example because his individual play has literally carried his team to lucrative positions they wouldn't have reached without his services.

In all fairness some athletes do take hard classes, but most players wouldn't be able to pass them. Most guys on the team would not make it in UM if it wasn't for athletics. Getting degrees in Women Studies is BS but most players wouldn't do well taking engineering classes. The school tries to put them in a program they can pass.

We can debate on Dalvin Cook, but I don't think he was good enough for the NFL in high school. There have been plenty of our RB's in college better than Cook not last long in the NFL.
 
It would actually benefit us if these kids had some extra spending cash because you wouldn't see idiots going around talking about how they got to "feed the family".

The players now get cost of attendance stipends.

I believe FIU has the highest stipend at around $5,500 a semester.

These guys have it made and they still have grown men apologizing for their stupidity and greed.
 
And no one is advocating for the breaking of the rules either. They are irresponsible for breaking the rules, but that doesn't automatically make the rules good.

The athletes aren't taking anything close to a class like quantum physics, believe me. If they did, they would be pulled to the side and redirected away. The quality of their educations is a factor in Andrew's initial post.

Also, Dalvin Cook was good enough to play in the NFL as a freshman IMO (and I'm sure many others). And all scholarship players make the university money collectively. I used Cook as an individual example because his individual play has literally carried his team to lucrative positions they wouldn't have reached without his services.

In all fairness some athletes do take hard classes, but most players wouldn't be able to pass them. Most guys on the team would not make it in UM if it wasn't for athletics. Getting degrees in Women Studies is BS but most players wouldn't do well taking engineering classes. The school tries to put them in a program they can pass.

We can debate on Dalvin Cook, but I don't think he was good enough for the NFL in high school. There have been plenty of our RB's in college better than Cook not last long in the NFL.

Classic good ole boy logic. Basically they are all dumb and only good for your entertainment so they should be fine with taking whatever you give them and like. How dare they prosper on their good given talents and hard work.
 
[]_[] swag;2596640 said:
The problem I have with the whole thing is forcing kids to stay at school for a chance at the nfl.

There's no rule saying that kid has to play college football.
 
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And no one is advocating for the breaking of the rules either. They are irresponsible for breaking the rules, but that doesn't automatically make the rules good.

Also, Dalvin Cook was good enough to play in the NFL as a freshman IMO (and I'm sure many others). And all scholarship players make the university money collectively. I used Cook as an individual example because his individual play has literally carried his team to lucrative positions they wouldn't have reached without his services.

Skill-wise, Cook may have been good enough to play in the NFL.
But no, he was not ready for the NFL after high school.
That is a man's league, and they play 16 (and more) games.
That is just crazy talk.

(and the infatuation with nole players is kinda ghay).
 
And no one is advocating for the breaking of the rules either. They are irresponsible for breaking the rules, but that doesn't automatically make the rules good.

The athletes aren't taking anything close to a class like quantum physics, believe me. If they did, they would be pulled to the side and redirected away. The quality of their educations is a factor in Andrew's initial post.

Also, Dalvin Cook was good enough to play in the NFL as a freshman IMO (and I'm sure many others). And all scholarship players make the university money collectively. I used Cook as an individual example because his individual play has literally carried his team to lucrative positions they wouldn't have reached without his services.

In all fairness some athletes do take hard classes, but most players wouldn't be able to pass them. Most guys on the team would not make it in UM if it wasn't for athletics. Getting degrees in Women Studies is BS but most players wouldn't do well taking engineering classes. The school tries to put them in a program they can pass.

We can debate on Dalvin Cook, but I don't think he was good enough for the NFL in high school. There have been plenty of our RB's in college better than Cook not last long in the NFL.

Classic good ole boy logic. Basically they are all dumb and only good for your entertainment so they should be fine with taking whatever you give them and like. How dare they prosper on their good given talents and hard work.

Huh what?
Sounds like you had a rant queued up and just unloaded on any thread.
 
Basically they are all dumb and only good for your entertainment so they should be fine with taking whatever you give them and like.

Or just a fact.

Most guys on D1 scholarships wouldn't be able to get into the school they attend without playing football.

So they get hundreds of thousands of dollars of free stuff and a stipend and they go to better schools than they could reasonably get into on their own academic merit.

And yet they're exploited victims who needs cash.
 
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