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Barry Jackson on U team at present

Only our fanbase will see a kid for exactly one hour at a Spring game (speaking of JWilliams) and be ready to hand him the keys to the kingdom. Lol! Smh.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Making stuff up. As usual. Prove it. Dorsey showed up on campus in July. He was a true freshman. Butch was desperate. He had one foot in the grave. Kelly was the starter all the way until he was injured. I went to all the games, chief. I’ve been a fan for a while. Him starting after Kelly was injured was a huge deal because he was like the first true freshman starter QB for UM in like 30 years.

This is how it was. Kelly was very inconsistent, and I didn’t think he was playing that great, I was ready for a change myself, Butch still wouldn’t put Dorsey in until Kelly got the knee injury.
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Butch had named Kelly the starter in spring, because until Dorsey arrived the only other QB on the roster was Zach Hart. When Dorsey got here, he lit it up right away, in practice. Butch had already named Kelly the starter, and Dorsey was fresh out of high school, so there was little chance of Davis changing his mind.

I am sure I am not the only one that remembers Dorsey doing extremely well in practice.

Trust me, I get why he started Kelly. I am also sure Davis was the happiest man alive when Dorsey started those last three games and the O set the record for most points in 3 consecutive games.
 
Loose Cannon said:
So 48% passing with 0 TDs and 4INTs is Dorsey stepping up and putting us in position to eek out a close game against Boston College, but Malik with 48% passing, 376 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 pick is him almost single handily losing a close game at UNC because...reasons?
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You mention the stats but you dont mention dorsey driving us downfield for the go ahead score, you mention maliks he should have those stats against that crap team, we had what 4 turnovers that game and he only scored on one of them, see you stat watch and dont watch the games, go back and watch those games the whole games not the highlights and see all the chances we had and he missed them
 
Jassid82 said:
Only our fanbase will see a kid for exactly one hour at a Spring game (speaking of JWilliams) and be ready to hand him the keys to the kingdom. Lol! Smh.
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And we are the same fanbase that saw malik in the same hour and saw he was still the same QB we saw at the end of the year which coat us games mr 76er
 
cane since birth said:
You mention the stats but you dont mention dorsey driving us downfield for the go ahead score, you mention maliks he should have those stats against that crap team, we had what 4 turnovers that game and he only scored on one of them, see you stat watch and dont watch the games, go back and watch those games the whole games not the highlights and see all the chances we had and he missed them
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Cat so busy gathering stats, he aint got time to watch the games. It amazes me how you watch a full season of below avg QBing and still blind to the obvious. Numbers lie, the eyes don't. But even the CANES fanbase have their share of novice spectators. They don't know what the **** their looking at but they're loud and proud.
 
404CANES said:
Cat so busy gathering stats, he aint got time to watch the games. It amazes me how you watch a full season of below avg QBing and still blind to the obvious. Numbers lie, the eyes don't. But even the CANES fanbase have their share of novice spectators. They don't know what the **** their looking at but they're loud and proud.
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Like they say stats can be deceiving
 
Loose Cannon said:
Then why couldn't we beat Pitt despite Rosier?

This is the point where the false logic that has been built upon a false narrative falls apart. We either beat some very good teams despite Rosier, or we lost to 3 teams, including a pitiful Pitt team, because of him. NOT BOTH.

In 2001, we had three games you might consider close:

FSU, close until Ed "I'm Hurt Dawg" Reed rallied the troops
Boston College, a game in severe jeopardy until Ed Reed strips the ball from one of our own players for a TD return
Virginia Tech, a 2nd half rally by the Hokies came up just a bit short

In those three games, Ken Dorsey was 51%, 48%, and 47% with 4 TDs and 4 INTs. We won those games despite poor play from the QB, and that was the greatest college football team ever fielded. Good players, and even great players turn in sub-per performances from time to time. Good TEAMS overcome them.
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Flawed logic. It can absolutely be both. When your QB is consistently inaccurate but the rest of the team has the talent we had last year, they'll usually be able to overcome the QB play & win the game. Not always. It happened last year - 10 out of 13 times.
 
cane since birth said:
You mention the stats but you dont mention dorsey driving us downfield for the go ahead score, you mention maliks he should have those stats against that crap team, we had what 4 turnovers that game and he only scored on one of them, see you stat watch and dont watch the games, go back and watch those games the whole games not the highlights and see all the chances we had and he missed them
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This board is full of ignorant wanna-be coaches and analysts who think they have the ability to see things that not only don’t show up on any stat sheet, but things that go against what actually is on the stat sheet. Worse than that, they’re so convinced of their own bull****, they think anyone with a different opinion must not watch the games.

I’ve watched every Miami Hurricanes game since 1983, including the 2001 game against Boston College. Ken Dorsey didn’t do a **** thing in that ball game but throw 4 picks and hand the ball off to Clinton Portis. Todd Seivers’s leg gave us a 3-0 lead and we never trailed. He added 3 more FGs to give us a 12-7 lead, but with about 40 seconds to go Boston College has 1st and Goal from our 9. Rumph deflected a pass to Matt Walters who was then stripped by Ed Reed who then scored the only Miami TD of the game.

Don’t talk to me or anybody else about watching games or reading stats if you think Ken Dorsey led some kind of magical game winning drive against Boston College. He threw 4 pick and **** near lost the game on his own. The defense won that game.
 
SinCityCane said:
Flawed logic. It can absolutely be both. When your QB is consistently inaccurate but the rest of the team has the talent we had last year, they'll usually be able to overcome the QB play & win the game. Not always. It happened last year - 10 out of 13 times.
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So your argument is that our team is good enough to beat #13 Virginia Tech in spite of Rosier throwing for 50% and 3 INTs, but not good enough to overcome a 44% performance where he threw 2 TDs and 0 INTs against 5-7 Pitt?

Good luck with that.
 
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Loose Cannon said:
This board is full of ignorant wanna-be coaches and analysts who think they have the ability to see things that not only don’t show up on any stat sheet, but things that go against what actually is on the stat sheet. Worse than that, they’re so convinced of their own bull****, they think anyone with a different opinion must not watch the games.

I’ve watched every Miami Hurricanes game since 1983, including the 2001 game against Boston College. Ken Dorsey didn’t do a **** thing in that ball game but throw 4 picks and hand the ball off to Clinton Portis. Todd Seivers’s leg gave us a 3-0 lead and we never trailed. He added 3 more FGs to give us a 12-7 lead, but with about 40 seconds to go Boston College has 1st and Goal from our 9. Rumph deflected a pass to Matt Walters who was then stripped by Ed Reed who then scored the only Miami TD of the game.

Don’t talk to me or anybody else about watching games or reading stats if you think Ken Dorsey led some kind of magical game winning drive against Boston College. He threw 4 pick and **** near lost the game on his own. The defense won that game.
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Wanna be like posting pics of four passes malik threw in his pitt game nad failing to show his other crap reads and throws? Then bringing up the UNC games stats when he also threw crap passes and reads there too, if you really watched the games like you say you do you will see that
 
Loose Cannon said:
So your argument is that our team is good enough to beat #13 Virginia Tech in spite of Rosier throwing for 50% and 3 INTs, but not good enough to overcome a 44% performance where he threw 2 TDs and 0 INTs against 5-7 Pitt?

Good luck with that.
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Again you throw out stats and not what happened in the game, but lets go by the stats you posted, 44% that is crap for a QB on a top team, crap to a point where richt benched him, right then and there your argument about it not being maliks fault the most should be shut down
 
Football Outsiders: College stats don't lie

Rosier's completion percentage last year was about 54%. That is categorically awful. The article I linked is about how completion percentage is the single best predictor of whether a college qb will have success in the NFL. There is a degree of difference between being successful in the NFL and leading a college team to a national championship. The thing they have in common is that in both scenarios, a QB is likely going to have to compete against talented defenses.

According to the statistic that has proven to be the best predictor of success- completion percentage- Rosier is a well below average qb (terrible, actually). So the fact that Miami won 10 games supports the contention that the team was winning in spite of Rosier.
 
MODs please close down the sight.

We have porster saying Rosier is better than Dorsey.

It was a good run.
 
ThomasM said:
Butch had named Kelly the starter in spring, because until Dorsey arrived the only other QB on the roster was Zach Hart. When Dorsey got here, he lit it up right away, in practice. Butch had already named Kelly the starter, and Dorsey was fresh out of high school, so there was little chance of Davis changing his mind.

I am sure I am not the only one that remembers Dorsey doing extremely well in practice.

Trust me, I get why he started Kelly. I am also sure Davis was the happiest man alive when Dorsey started those last three games and the O set the record for most points in 3 consecutive games.
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Just a bunch of irrelevant non-sequiturs meant to obfuscate.

You’re not refuting a single thing I posted.

Thanks for playing.
 
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reg said:
This season is 100% on Richt as a Head Coach. We won't know who Richt is as a play caller until he has a QB that can effectively operate his playbook.
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Hit deep!........and I don't think this one's going to be playable!
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Just a bunch of irrelevant non-sequiturs meant to obfuscate.

You’re not refuting a single thing I posted.

Thanks for playing.
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Loose Cannon said:
This board is full of ignorant wanna-be coaches and analysts who think they have the ability to see things that not only don’t show up on any stat sheet, but things that go against what actually is on the stat sheet. Worse than that, they’re so convinced of their own bull****, they think anyone with a different opinion must not watch the games.

I’ve watched every Miami Hurricanes game since 1983, including the 2001 game against Boston College. Ken Dorsey didn’t do a **** thing in that ball game but throw 4 picks and hand the ball off to Clinton Portis. Todd Seivers’s leg gave us a 3-0 lead and we never trailed. He added 3 more FGs to give us a 12-7 lead, but with about 40 seconds to go Boston College has 1st and Goal from our 9. Rumph deflected a pass to Matt Walters who was then stripped by Ed Reed who then scored the only Miami TD of the game.

Don’t talk to me or anybody else about watching games or reading stats if you think Ken Dorsey led some kind of magical game winning drive against Boston College. He threw 4 pick and **** near lost the game on his own. The defense won that game.
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Yes, but you can't expect a D to do that every week. If Dorsey threw 4 picks every game, we don't win every game. Same with Rosier. He can have an off week and we can still win if other things go right. The problem is when he's having an off week so often it makes it that much more likely that his off week will happen at the same time as someone else's on the team, making it that much harder to win a game.
 
I think regardless of who starts the season (Rosier is the likely guy), we will have a servicable second option for the first time in at least 10 years. Williams or Perry will step up and be breathing down Rosier's neck. No more Evan Sherriefs or Jake Heaps as the second option at QB. This we can all agree on (I think).
 
ThomasM said:
Yes, but you can't expect a D to do that every week. If Dorsey threw 4 picks every game, we don't win every game. Same with Rosier. He can have an off week and we can still win if other things go right. The problem is when he's having an off week so often it makes it that much more likely that his off week will happen at the same time as someone else's on the team, making it that much harder to win a game.
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So that's why we went 10-1 during the regular season?

Look. This is retarded. The Pitt game was the culmination of multiple factors that finally came to a head. Laying it on one position is a gross oversimplification of the problems. Yes. We had a mediocre QB. But we also had an o-line that had us placed 79th overall and 115th nationally in rushing yards per game when you eliminate runs from the QB position. We had a 21 day layoff then played 9 straight without a break. We were 10-0 and ranked #2 in the CFP. That's more success than we've seen in quite a number of years. We had officially won the Coastal for the first time ever the previous week and already had our ticket punched to Charlotte. No matter what happened in that Pitt game, all we had to do was cruise through it, take 2 week break, then play Clemson for a spot in the CFP.

The whole team took that game off. Rosier wasn't the only one just going through the motions. He's just the only one who admitted it.
 
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