Alton Tarber 2022 NT

the 2nd part is not uncommon. Any team that stunts up front as much as we do has that tell. Hand, shade alignment (loose or tight to the OL's shoulder) and foot stagger can give away where you're going.

Now getting an offensive line to recognize that while running an uptempo offense is much tougher and impressive.
That also happens at the pro level. Belichick once told Mike Vrabel when its a run or a pass play based on the stance of a single offensive lineman, because it changed a slight bit.

Denver killed New England in 2015 because the C would do a certain head movement before every snap. Sometimes you lose or win games with these little signs and tells.
 
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That also happens at the pro level. Belichick once told Mike Vrabel when its a run or a pass play based on the stance of a single offensive lineman, because it changed a slight bit.

Denver killed New England in 2015 because the C would do a certain head movement before every snap. Sometimes you lose or win games with these little signs and tells.
Definitely. A game within a game. You can even see them on TV at times.
 
I coach the kid but even I'll admit that Hastings probably has a higher ceiling and fits what Miami likes to do better than Tarber does. Tarber's biggest asset, and what he does better than probably any DT in the state, is that he's literally an immovable object. He doesn't even move on double teams. But that's not what Miami is about on the DL. Matter of fact, they're the complete opposite. They play vertical every snap.

Miami didn't start recruiting him hard until Simpson got there. So I wouldn't be surprised if there is a philosophical difference between what Simpson likes/wants and what Manny likes/wants. Pure speculation on my part though. I just figure if Manny really liked him then they would have been recruiting him before Simpson got there. It's not like he wasn't unknown. He got an Alabama "offer" in 10th grade. He didn't grow like people thought he would so a lot of the big time schools backed off. Not having spring also affected his recruitment because schools weren't able to verify his actual height in person. (and the perception from his film was that he was between 5'11"-6'0")

If Miami was looking for a 1-technique that actually stayed his a$$ in the gap and played the run like a grown man, then I would say they were making a mistake by not recruiting Tarber. But I can't honestly and objectively say that right now, knowing what Miami likes to do up front.
Thanks @Coach Macho for your perspective sir. Well let’s hope we land Hastings but I still like unmovable obstacles on the DL, especially at DT. I get having 1 penetrating DT but two? We should probably adjust the defense to allow those that penetrate to do so while those that need be hold up double teams to occupy OL to free up LB’s. But that’s my limited opinion.
 
Surprised Tarber isn’t a Georgia take. He fits what they do in the middle really well. Not quite a Bama kid, but Georgia I could see.

Doesn’t fit the scheme Muami want to run, but I want them to tweak what the run at 0/1 anyway. Let the 0 sit at LOS and obliterate a few of those traps/pullers against UNC and you reset things a bit.

But I’m not paid high six figures to coach it, either, so…

@Lance Roffers, wouldn't a NG also allow us to use Roberts and Taylor in the Rousseau over-the-middle role, as well? I feel you need a plug over center if you're going to bring in your rush package. Is that correct, or antiquated thinking?

Also, how does Tarber compare to Hayes?
 
That also happens at the pro level. Belichick once told Mike Vrabel when its a run or a pass play based on the stance of a single offensive lineman, because it changed a slight bit.

Denver killed New England in 2015 because the C would do a certain head movement before every snap. Sometimes you lose or win games with these little signs and tells.

Breaking league rules and secretly filming your opponents' practices is a great way to discover a player's "tells."
 
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Breaking league rules and secretly filming your opponents' practices is a great way to discover a player's "tells."
New England never filmed walkthroughs or opposing practices, contrary to what other teams did.
 
I just don’t see how an “immovable” nose tackle is not a top priority regardless of scheme.

A kid like this is a HUGE ASSET on run downs, short yardage, goal line, and vs Sec/B1G teams. We should always have at minimum one guy with his skill set.

It’s like Miami coaches always have tunnel vision and can’t see any football outside their philosophy. This type thinking is how you get blown out when teams expose your weaknesses because your team isn’t well rounded.
This. Couldn’t have said it better.
 
New England never filmed walkthroughs or opposing practices, contrary to what other teams did.

Marshall Faulk disagrees.

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And Goodell literally ordering the destruction of all tapes and evidence doesn't make NE's claims of innocence more believable.



Why would he order the destruction of all the evidence unless trying to hide damning information?

Of course, it's also possible that Belichick watched "Rudy" before the game and was just telling Vrabel about the "white knuckles" scene and Vrabel didnt realize it.
 
We did take a NT/0 Tech player last year in Allan Haye. So someone on staff has an interest in stout NT types. I’m wondering if that has any effect on how we’re handling the Tarber recruitment. It’s not really what we do on defense but at the very least a big dude can help in short yardage situations. It’s a shame, the kid could at least push for early down PT here after a year or two in the strength program. I liked his skill set.
 
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Marshall Faulk disagrees.

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And Goodell literally ordering the destruction of all tapes and evidence doesn't make NE's claims of innocence more believable.



Why would he order the destruction of all the evidence unless trying to hide damning information?

Of course, it's also possible that Belichick watched "Rudy" before the game and was just telling Vrabel about the "white knuckles" scene and Vrabel didnt realize it.
Thats why anyone who wanted to tell a story about it a) didnt say a word and made up stuff about it or b) was like the Boston Herald publishing a story that ended up in them apologizing to the team for false reporting.

The evidence was also shown to a boatload of media members who had every opportunity to publish what was seen on tape. None of them did. I also dont understand why Goodell was supposed to hide information and therefore destroyed the tape. Lets reverse the case and say, the tapes got destroyed because there was no information that demonstrates a severe violation of league rules. Just saying.

Marshall Faulk is also highly salty about the game, unlike Martz or Kurt Warner. Faulk went on camera saying "It was going to be a fun one. They should not have been on the same field with us". So his words about the entire case are about as believeable as you claim Belichick to be.

To end the whole "oh, the Patriots taped signals" argument and also end the derailment to everyones benefit in here: Spygate was nothing more than New England filming from an illegal destination. The taping itself wasnt and still isnt illegal, just the location of where they did it. Taping signals in football is about as common and normal in both pro and college football as people needing to take a **** after having a cigarette.

I also dont want to keep defending the team over some nonsense that happened over a decade ago. Its been dealt with, punishment has been served.

I will now return to a different topic: *** and ****ies.
 
Thats why anyone who wanted to tell a story about it a) didnt say a word and made up stuff about it or b) was like the Boston Herald publishing a story that ended up in them apologizing to the team for false reporting.

The evidence was also shown to a boatload of media members who had every opportunity to publish what was seen on tape. None of them did. I also dont understand why Goodell was supposed to hide information and therefore destroyed the tape. Lets reverse the case and say, the tapes got destroyed because there was no information that demonstrates a severe violation of league rules. Just saying.

Marshall Faulk is also highly salty about the game, unlike Martz or Kurt Warner. Faulk went on camera saying "It was going to be a fun one. They should not have been on the same field with us". So his words about the entire case are about as believeable as you claim Belichick to be.

To end the whole "oh, the Patriots taped signals" argument and also end the derailment to everyones benefit in here: Spygate was nothing more than New England filming from an illegal destination. The taping itself wasnt and still isnt illegal, just the location of where they did it. Taping signals in football is about as common and normal in both pro and college football as people needing to take a **** after having a cigarette.

I also dont want to keep defending the team over some nonsense that happened over a decade ago. Its been dealt with, punishment has been served.

I will now return to a different topic: *** and ****ies.

All I will say is that in the legal realm, willful destruction of evidence can be used by the fact finder as evidence of guilt. It makes zero sense to destroy the tapes because they showed no evidence of wrong doing. Were they running out of space at nfl HQ and couldnt afford a storage unit? The only plausible explanation is that Goodell wanted to squash the issue before it got too deep and he would have to essentially vacate the Patriots wins for several years. If you are interested in the most likely reason Goodell destroyed the tapes, this is it.


It was an ESPN "Outside the Lines" investigation, so this was actual investigative reporting. The Patriots were so brazen at cheating they would send employees into opposing locker rooms and have them snooping around hotels trying to steal playbooks. So you would have me believe that the Patriots would only stoop so low as to theft of playbooks, but secretly recording practices was just too unethical for them. Lol, ok. As I said the destruction of the tapes and subsequent cheating scandals (deflate gate) mean that the Patriots should not get the benefit of the doubt. If you are a Patriots fan and think that not their not being punished for filming practices means they didn't do it, then more power to you. It's very similar to the argument that Bama fans make when someone says they buy recruits - they havent been punished so it cant be true. All I know is the GOAT, Don Shula, thought Belichick was a filthy cheater and he had no respect for "Belicheat."

In any case that's all I have to say on the matter. Let's return to boobies and ***.
 
All I will say is that in the legal realm, willful destruction of evidence can be used by the fact finder as evidence of guilt. It makes zero sense to destroy the tapes because they showed no evidence of wrong doing. Were they running out of space at nfl HQ and couldnt afford a storage unit? The only plausible explanation is that Goodell wanted to squash the issue before it got too deep and he would have to essentially vacate the Patriots wins for several years. If you are interested in the most likely reason Goodell destroyed the tapes, this is it.


It was an ESPN "Outside the Lines" investigation, so this was actual investigative reporting. The Patriots were so brazen at cheating they would send employees into opposing locker rooms and have them snooping around hotels trying to steal playbooks. So you would have me believe that the Patriots would only stoop so low as to theft of playbooks, but secretly recording practices was just too unethical for them. Lol, ok. As I said the destruction of the tapes and subsequent cheating scandals (deflate gate) mean that the Patriots should not get the benefit of the doubt. If you are a Patriots fan and think that not their not being punished for filming practices means they didn't do it, then more power to you. It's very similar to the argument that Bama fans make when someone says they buy recruits - they havent been punished so it cant be true. All I know is the GOAT, Don Shula, thought Belichick was a filthy cheater and he had no respect for "Belicheat."

In any case that's all I have to say on the matter. Let's return to boobies and ***.
lol at you posting this "report"... yah im done with this
 
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Thats why anyone who wanted to tell a story about it a) didnt say a word and made up stuff about it or b) was like the Boston Herald publishing a story that ended up in them apologizing to the team for false reporting.

The evidence was also shown to a boatload of media members who had every opportunity to publish what was seen on tape. None of them did. I also dont understand why Goodell was supposed to hide information and therefore destroyed the tape. Lets reverse the case and say, the tapes got destroyed because there was no information that demonstrates a severe violation of league rules. Just saying.

Marshall Faulk is also highly salty about the game, unlike Martz or Kurt Warner. Faulk went on camera saying "It was going to be a fun one. They should not have been on the same field with us". So his words about the entire case are about as believeable as you claim Belichick to be.

To end the whole "oh, the Patriots taped signals" argument and also end the derailment to everyones benefit in here: Spygate was nothing more than New England filming from an illegal destination. The taping itself wasnt and still isnt illegal, just the location of where they did it. Taping signals in football is about as common and normal in both pro and college football as people needing to take a **** after having a cigarette.

I also dont want to keep defending the team over some nonsense that happened over a decade ago. Its been dealt with, punishment has been served.

I will now return to a different topic: *** and ****ies.
IIRC taping opponents signals was/is illegal from any location where taping is permitted.
 
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All I will say is that in the legal realm, willful destruction of evidence can be used by the fact finder as evidence of guilt. It makes zero sense to destroy the tapes because they showed no evidence of wrong doing. Were they running out of space at nfl HQ and couldnt afford a storage unit? The only plausible explanation is that Goodell wanted to squash the issue before it got too deep and he would have to essentially vacate the Patriots wins for several years. If you are interested in the most likely reason Goodell destroyed the tapes, this is it.


It was an ESPN "Outside the Lines" investigation, so this was actual investigative reporting. The Patriots were so brazen at cheating they would send employees into opposing locker rooms and have them snooping around hotels trying to steal playbooks. So you would have me believe that the Patriots would only stoop so low as to theft of playbooks, but secretly recording practices was just too unethical for them. Lol, ok. As I said the destruction of the tapes and subsequent cheating scandals (deflate gate) mean that the Patriots should not get the benefit of the doubt. If you are a Patriots fan and think that not their not being punished for filming practices means they didn't do it, then more power to you. It's very similar to the argument that Bama fans make when someone says they buy recruits - they havent been punished so it cant be true. All I know is the GOAT, Don Shula, thought Belichick was a filthy cheater and he had no respect for "Belicheat."

In any case that's all I have to say on the matter. Let's return to boobies and ***.
I live in Boston, can’t do Pats cheating scandals on this board. I beg, I plead we let this sleeping dog lie!!!!!
 
Marshall Faulk disagrees.

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And Goodell literally ordering the destruction of all tapes and evidence doesn't make NE's claims of innocence more believable.



Why would he order the destruction of all the evidence unless trying to hide damning information?

Of course, it's also possible that Belichick watched "Rudy" before the game and was just telling Vrabel about the "white knuckles" scene and Vrabel didnt realize it.
Game set match!!!
 
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