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Alabama's dominance in context: Death of CFB

I think Saban is the greatest coach in college football history period. I also think JJ had a great shot matching Saban’s successes if he remained at Miami long term.

I think also Dabo has a great chance to match or eqlipse Saban at some point. We will find out tomorrow night if this point is valid or no..
 
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bbcane said:
In a way I agree with what you're saying. But it is a shame that there has to be new rules to stop Alabama domination.
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There shouldn't have to be new rules.
Programs that want to spend an inordinate amount of money on coaches, facilities and off-field staff should be able to do
so if they have the resources and desire.
What is killing college football is that the current rules are not being enforced across the board.
We have these rules prescribing amateurism (athletes) and fair-play with regards to limit on athletic scholarships, plus
Title9 considerations, but then you have the Alabamas and other programs sh1tting on it and not having to worry
about NCAA coming after them.
Different balls and strikes for SEC vs everyone else.
So, no new rules needed.....just enforce the current ones across the board.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Preach. He maybe the greatest CFB coach, but ****, if we’re talking sports, we got Phil Jackson rocking 11 rings, Wooden rocking 10, Joe McCarthy and Casey Stengel rocking 7 pendants, Scotty Bowman rocking 9 Stanley Cups....I mean that was a brash, brash statement
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He’s not even the greatest CFB coach. He has a tremendous advantage that the other great coaches like (Jimmy Johnson) and others didn’t have. Bama spends so much more than any other program (legally and illegally) and the resources that come with it......
 
Selfish thread bump, thanks to an excellent BoxingRobes post in the latest O$Uck thread:

"The elites of college football are playing a different brand of football.

Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia all have Blue Chip Ratios over or right around 80%, thats insane. Clemson and Oklahoma have 60% but have the best coaching and development in the country.

The difference between say...Alabama or Ohio State to Miami is the equivalent of Miami to like Oregon State. The talent disparity between teams even inside the Blue Chip Threshold is growing by the season."

My original post in this thread is from 2016; has anything really changed? It's not just 'Bama, but they are the harbinger...CFB has now become a mature, predictble industry. Pumping more capital for coaches, "consultants," recruiting budgets, facilities, tutors, and other "allied support services" (which can't be regulated, if you get my meaning), nets the $penders the spoils. ESPN Radio talking heads yesterday (surely in response to direction from "The Suits") talked about THREE SEC teams in the CFP (to be joined by O$Uck, no doubt, If Clemson falters, they are gone).

What does CFB look like in 2022? Can 90% of the teams be Vanderbilts and survive in that form?
 
CaneFan79 said:
Selfish thread bump, thanks to an excellent BoxingRobes post in the latest O$Uck thread:

"The elites of college football are playing a different brand of football.

Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia all have Blue Chip Ratios over or right around 80%, thats insane. Clemson and Oklahoma have 60% but have the best coaching and development in the country.

The difference between say...Alabama or Ohio State to Miami is the equivalent of Miami to like Oregon State. The talent disparity between teams even inside the Blue Chip Threshold is growing by the season."

My original post in this thread is from 2016; has anything really changed? It's not just 'Bama, but they are the harbinger...CFB has now become a mature, predictble industry. Pumping more capital for coaches, "consultants," recruiting budgets, facilities, tutors, and other "allied support services" (which can't be regulated, if you get my meaning), nets the $penders the spoils. ESPN Radio talking heads yesterday (surely in response to direction from "The Suits") talked about THREE SEC teams in the CFP (to be joined by O$Uck, no doubt, If Clemson falters, they are gone).

What does CFB look like in 2022? Can 90% of the teams be Vanderbilts and survive in that form?
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Agree with you 100%. More regulation necessary. It will only get worse if paying players becomes legal too.
 
Bird4um said:
Saban is a *****. Scared to do the NFL thing. Has nothing left to prove in college. Imagine JIMMY staying 15 years. What could have been.
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I mean... he is smart. Saw his limitations and stayed in CFB to become a legend. Both games require slightly different skill sets and Saban saw that his strengths were better suited there. Plenty of coaches have had recruiting budgets that were bountiful, but Saban maximized it like no coach thus far. He is now just stacking the deck.
 
CaneFan79 said:
Since Emmert has been President of the NCAA (November 2010), the following teams have been FBS football champions: O$Uck, F$U, Auburn, AlabamaX3...If 'Bama wins again this year and you include their Pre-Emmert 2009 win, 'Bama will have FIVE championships in the past EIGHT years. In comparison, Miami dynasty stretch was FOUR titles in NINE years. The NCAA was sniffing around Miami like crazy at that time and the Pell Grant scheme was finally uncovered with the help of snitches like Alum and current E$ECPN tool Dan LeRetard. Alabama? Not a peep out of the NCAA...'Bama, as per plan, reports their dinky secondary violations and the NCAA points to them as proof of "equal enforcement." George Orwell's Animal Farm could be easily re-written with the "more equal" pig being replaced by a "More Equal" Elephant and be called The NCAA's Animal Farm.

The NFL's precipitous decline, brought on by the leadership clown who is Roger Goodell, is a harbinger of Emmert's killing of the golden goose of college football, it's just a matter of time unless a true competitive balance scheme (Athletic Department budget caps, coaching staff size limitations, mandatory booster financial transaction monitoring, mandatory player "employment" reporting, etc.) is put in place by a visionary leader, not a toadie for the big state schools.
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In Clemson's case they might yell "religious persecution" if it's true the benefits are channeled through the church.
 
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Can’t call Saban the best coach. College yes. But coach in general. No. Failed NFL. Unlike Jimmy.
 
bbcane said:
I think Alabama has top 3 programs in history. Nick saban is top 3 coach in history. Tell me I'm wrong
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He accumulated the most talent by far of any coach. It’s like having 15 first round picks each year for an NFL coach. Much of it is due to reputation and becoming a direct pipeline to the NFL. But other stuff, like players posting pictures of wads of cash and leasing cars to players....
 
bbcane said:
I think Alabama has top 3 programs in history. Nick saban is top 3 coach in history. Tell me I'm wrong
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and if we could throw around money like that, esp here is S Florida... we would be right there with them. Wake up... MONEY TALKS
 
bocacane said:
and if we could throw around money like that, esp here is S Florida... we would be right there with them. Wake up... MONEY TALKS
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That will never happen because there are way to many people from different areas in South Florida that have no ties or even dislike Miami. You don't see that in these smaller towns. **** Miami's own local reporters helped bring us down the last time. If you look at all the schools in metro areas virtually every one has the same issues we face.
Miami is arguably the most successful program in that category...maybe USC.
 
I was watching the prime time game between OSU vs UN and thought to myself how far the talent disparity in football has separated itself. Only way to stop it is by hitting them where it hurts.

The almighty $.
 
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I never thought I would see miami fans asking the playing field be leveled? Are we the Bernie Sanders of football?
 
CaneFan79 said:
If baseball didn't have the luxury tax, it would probably be the Yankees or Red Sox playing the Cubs. Jerry Jones would double or triple the amount he plays his players compared to Jacksonville without a salary cap. It's bad enough with rich teams as it is: The Cubs bought their GM and manager.

CFB has no Athletic Department spending caps, has no limits on HC and (as holycane pointed out) assistant salaries, no limits on what you can spend on lockeroom facilities, weight rooms or the people who buy them...Oregon sucks this year, but do you think their big recent run had NOTHING to do with Phil Knight? When then HC Chip Kelly was interviewed on the national radio Dan Patrick Show, he called Knight "the owner" of the Ducks.

The NCAA's reason for existence is to enforce a competive balance. If the current rules don't do this (I have shown they don't), then they need to be changed or the public will, as with a lot of things these days, realize "the fix is in" and lose interest, killing the sport.
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Absolutely. Why should people who are not fans of Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, and Clemson care if these same teams are always competing for a national championship. Will the sport be healthier and the players be better off when CFB consists of 20 teams in a couple of decades? No. It will be a niche sport, and at that point ironically the booster money and school funding for the remaining institutions will begin to wither.

Fully expect that Tennessee’s stadium will be used primarily for futbol in thirty years if current CFB trends continue.
 
bbcane said:
I never thought I would see miami fans asking the playing field be leveled? Are we the Bernie Sanders of football?
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It’s different. Theoretically Miami could match Alabama - Dwayne Johnson could devote 75% of his annual earnings towards the football program. But what is imbalanced is that Miami would be nailed in a couple of years for a relatively minor infraction and get a two year bowl ban and the loss of 30 scholarships. The media would also call for Miami to cancel their season, if not their program. Meanwhile Alabama or Georgia could do the same infraction and it would be ignored by the NCAA, and the coaching staff for Those schools would be praised for the innovations.
 
CaneFan79 said:
Selfish thread bump, thanks to an excellent BoxingRobes post in the latest O$Uck thread:

"The elites of college football are playing a different brand of football.

Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia all have Blue Chip Ratios over or right around 80%, thats insane. Clemson and Oklahoma have 60% but have the best coaching and development in the country.

The difference between say...Alabama or Ohio State to Miami is the equivalent of Miami to like Oregon State. The talent disparity between teams even inside the Blue Chip Threshold is growing by the season."

My original post in this thread is from 2016; has anything really changed? It's not just 'Bama, but they are the harbinger...CFB has now become a mature, predictble industry. Pumping more capital for coaches, "consultants," recruiting budgets, facilities, tutors, and other "allied support services" (which can't be regulated, if you get my meaning), nets the $penders the spoils. ESPN Radio talking heads yesterday (surely in response to direction from "The Suits") talked about THREE SEC teams in the CFP (to be joined by O$Uck, no doubt, If Clemson falters, they are gone).

What does CFB look like in 2022? Can 90% of the teams be Vanderbilts and survive in that form?
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That’s my thought. The overspending, staleness, and corruption will run into headwinds of rising tuition, the next recession, and injury issues. A lot of schools will ultimately tap out and use the injury issue as the main excuse.
 
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