Alabama's dominance in context: Death of CFB

Since Emmert has been President of the NCAA (November 2010), the following teams have been FBS football champions: O$Uck, F$U, Auburn, AlabamaX3...If 'Bama wins again this year and you include their Pre-Emmert 2009 win, 'Bama will have FIVE championships in the past EIGHT years. In comparison, Miami dynasty stretch was FOUR titles in NINE years. The NCAA was sniffing around Miami like crazy at that time and the Pell Grant scheme was finally uncovered with the help of snitches like Alum and current E$ECPN tool Dan LeRetard. Alabama? Not a peep out of the NCAA...'Bama, as per plan, reports their dinky secondary violations and the NCAA points to them as proof of "equal enforcement." George Orwell's Animal Farm could be easily re-written with the "more equal" pig being replaced by a "More Equal" Elephant and be called The NCAA's Animal Farm.

The NFL's precipitous decline, brought on by the leadership clown who is Roger Goodell, is a harbinger of Emmert's killing of the golden goose of college football, it's just a matter of time unless a true competitive balance scheme (Athletic Department budget caps, coaching staff size limitations, mandatory booster financial transaction monitoring, mandatory player "employment" reporting, etc.) is put in place by a visionary leader, not a toadie for the big state schools.
Love this. You hit everything on the head!
 
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This is a stupid thread.
It’s like a suicide pact for excuse makers.
It’s a love song for losers.
A hymnal for hoes.

OP should have asked moderators to delete this, instead he self bumps. Shame is dead.

I remember when IBM went from like $140 to under $40. Luckily they didn’t have OP or they’d have been Compaq instead of a trillion dollar company.
I remember when “Federal Express” ran ads to become the overnight leader; they’re now likely #3 handler to Amazon
Chik-fil-A doesn’t even open on Sunday and kicks every QSR ***.

The entire concept of this thread is un-American, but appropriate given the OP.

SMH
 
My premise is that if it doesn't change, it will die. The suits have seen the ratings and have the market research. The fatigue of seeing the same teams in the CFP every year is weakening interest. The CFP has devalued the bowls to the point of schools realizing they are not worth the payouts they provide if balanced against the costs. The trend is for athletes to now forego a meaningless bowl game to protect their draft status and their teammates understand this decision. Old deep pocket boosters in fields such as energy and agri-business, who graduated from land grant U are dying off (Pickens) or soon to be (OSU's Wexner is 83, Michigan's Ross is 80, the Frost's are in their 80s also) and their heirs want the $$$. New age billionares are looking for social impact investing and definitly not something like football, with its CTE issue. Do you think Oregon will be a power in the years after Phil Knight goes to the big waffle sole in the sky? So the big money will start going away for more and more programs. As SevenNseven alluded to, most P5 programs are like Football League teams promoted to the Premier League...They are quickly relegated back to their also ran status because they can't compete on cost grounds.

A sport with only 6-8 teams having a legit shot at a championship will soon be a dead sport.
It won't die cause we all here watching it. Our team has sucked for 15 years and we still here knowing they cheat.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens to CFB with the new paradigm. Enrollment is down national wide and it will take years for schools to come out the other side, if ever. Now there is still a push for player pay and the Supreme Court is taking up anti-trust case in the summer. The future of the sport, honestly, doesn’t look great right now
 
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It's only a matter of time before sabag is gone. And his cheating will come to light to ruin everything he has done....

College football has been ruined with these dictatorship
 
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Since Emmert has been President of the NCAA (November 2010), the following teams have been FBS football champions: O$Uck, F$U, Auburn, AlabamaX3...If 'Bama wins again this year and you include their Pre-Emmert 2009 win, 'Bama will have FIVE championships in the past EIGHT years. In comparison, Miami dynasty stretch was FOUR titles in NINE years. The NCAA was sniffing around Miami like crazy at that time and the Pell Grant scheme was finally uncovered with the help of snitches like Alum and current E$ECPN tool Dan LeRetard. Alabama? Not a peep out of the NCAA...'Bama, as per plan, reports their dinky secondary violations and the NCAA points to them as proof of "equal enforcement." George Orwell's Animal Farm could be easily re-written with the "more equal" pig being replaced by a "More Equal" Elephant and be called The NCAA's Animal Farm.

The NFL's precipitous decline, brought on by the leadership clown who is Roger Goodell, is a harbinger of Emmert's killing of the golden goose of college football, it's just a matter of time unless a true competitive balance scheme (Athletic Department budget caps, coaching staff size limitations, mandatory booster financial transaction monitoring, mandatory player "employment" reporting, etc.) is put in place by a visionary leader, not a toadie for the big state schools.
Competitive balance will never be restored. Athletes are going to get paid and we will see college ball look more like European soccer with fixed top teams who battle for titles and a mid-table strugglers.
 
One of the interesting aspects of college football was that used to be somewhat regional. Clemson won the title in '81 with mostly Carolina and Georgia kids. Alabama won the title in '92 with over half their roster from the state of Alabama.


Now if you were to remove the team name, and try to ascertain where the school is based on the makeup of their rosters, you wouldn't have a clue.


One of the many things that add to the 'premier league' aspect to it. Everyone making the argument that: 'college football moves in cycles, teams rise and fall, blah blah blah,' aren't really accounting for how much the game has changed in a short amount of time.


There are various factors as to why, but the biggest reason, IMO, has been ESPN's (ABC/Disney) manipulation. At a time when cable subscriptions are tanking and ESPN was actually weighing down Disney stock, CFB was ESPN's most valuable property. As a result, their push for a four team playoff, their constant promotion of a handful of teams from a few select conferences to maximize primetime ratings, all were done in their own interest.
 
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I think Alabama has top 3 programs in history. Nick saban is top 3 coach in history. Tell me I'm wrong
You ain’t wrong. Having the best recruiting class year after year is hard to beat. Saban may go down as the best ever in college. He loses staff every year, fills the opening and continues to win. He has no patience or tolerance for mediocrity or lame coaches. He has the respect of his players and staff. They all know he will not accept anything less than the effort for excellence., manny has yet to prove this within the program. We need a lion not a lamb.
 
You ain’t wrong. Having the best recruiting class year after year is hard to beat. Saban may go down as the best ever in college. He loses staff every year, fills the opening and continues to win. He has no patience or tolerance for mediocrity or lame coaches. He has the respect of his players and staff. They all know he will not accept anything less than the effort for excellence., manny has yet to prove this within the program. We need a lion not a lamb.

Yet, if you think that Saban could go to Vandy and win, I don't know what to tell you.

Saban is Belichick but without the 'oversight' of the NFL. He'll push the envelope, organize a small army, bend every rule, all in pursuit of winning, but, without the resources of an LSU or Alabama, he wouldn't be able to do any of that.

So is he a great 'coach'? Depends on your definition of the word, I guess. Coaches in college football have become more akin to CEOs of small companies, I guess you can say that Saban is the best at that role, but it's something that's certainly unique to this era.
 
Satan has benefitted big time from being at schools that are committed to winning at all costs, have significant financial resources, turn a blind eye to che@ting and have rabid fan support.

Funny how his W-L record sucked at MSU (a non-powerhouse without the win-at-all-costs mentality and rabid fan support):

"Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved Michigan State's fortunes....From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6, and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994."

That looks like a decidedly mediocre record to me. There's no question that it's easier to win at major powerhouse program like Alabama, LSU or OSU. Winning at an average program is significantly harder. What Bill Snyder did at Kansas State is a heck of a coaching job. He took a perennial doormat and turned them into a serious team in the Conference. That takes coaching genius. Winning at an Alabama or LSU isn't nearly as hard. A lot of the success at those schools is a function of huge built-in advantages: (i) massive football budgets; (ii) highly supportive administrations; (iii) NCAA turning a blind eye (only a handful of schools get this privilege); (iv) tradition of winning; (v) highly developed recruiting pipelines; (vi) fertile recruiting grounds; (vii) great weather; (viii) rabid fan bases; (ix) sold out stadiums (great for recruiting purposes) etc etc.

Winning in college is highly correlated with recruiting success. Recruiting success is highly correlated with bag$. The biggest bags are dropped in the $EC....and they get away with it the most (protected by the NCAA).

Interesting how Satan was AVERAGE at best at an average school and yet succeeded at powerhouse schools. His record at Alabaga is undeniably incredible but that is in part due to a wealth of major advantages afforded by the school. He lost to lowly Louisiana Monroe for goodness sake in 2007. That's embarassing.

His stint with the Dolphins was mediocre at best and many of the players couldn't stand him. They called him "Nick" (instead of coach) just to p_ss him off.

His offense at Alabama was starting to look outdated (3 yards and a cloud of dust) until Tua came along and he was convinced to revamp the offense to keep pace with other high scoring offenses.

I think he's a great CEO, organizer and motivator (of college kids at least) with an incredible support system around him (all the advantages listed above). He's certainly very good from an X's and O's standpoint but most of his success is a result of the massive talent advantage they have and his motivational and organizational skills (as opposed to X's and O's). I also think he's a much better Defensive coach than Offensive coach.

If he's such a legendary X's and O's guy, why was his record so poor at MSU (over an extended period of time) and how could mighty Alabama possibly lose to lowly Louisiana Monroe?
 
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Satan has benefitted big time from being at schools that are committed to winning at all costs, have significant financial resources, turn a blind eye to che@ting and have rabid fan support.

Funny how his W-L record sucked at MSU (a non-powerhouse without the win-at-all-costs mentality and rabid fan support):

"Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved Michigan State's fortunes....From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6–5–1, 6–6, and 7–5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6, and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994."

That looks like a decidedly mediocre record to me. There's no question that it's easier to win at major powerhouse program like Alabama, LSU or OSU. Winning at an average program is significantly harder. What Bill Snyder did at Kansas State is a heck of a coaching job. He took a perennial doormat and turned them into a serious team in the Conference. That takes coaching genius. Winning at an Alabama or LSU isn't nearly as hard. A lot of the success at those schools is a function of huge built-in advantages: (i) massive football budgets; (ii) highly supportive administrations; (iii) NCAA turning a blind eye (only a handful of schools get this privilege); (iv) tradition of winning; (v) highly developed recruiting pipelines; (vi) fertile recruiting grounds; (vii) great weather; (viii) rabid fan bases; (ix) sold out stadiums (great for recruiting purposes) etc etc.

Winning in college is highly correlated with recruiting success. Recruiting success is highly correlated with bag$. The biggest bags are dropped in the $EC....and they get away with it the most (protected by the NCAA).

Interesting how Satan was AVERAGE at best at an average school and yet succeeded at powerhouse schools. His record at Alabaga is undeniably incredible but that is in part due to a wealth of major advantages afforded by the school. He lost to lowly Louisiana Monroe for goodness sake in 2007. That's embarassing.

His stint with the Dolphins was mediocre at best and many of the players couldn't stand him. They called him "Nick" (instead of coach) just to p_ss him off.

His offense at Alabama was starting to look outdated (3 yards and a cloud of dust) until Tua came along and he was convinced to revamp the offense to keep pace with other high scoring offenses.

I think he's a great CEO, organizer and motivator (of college kids at least) with an incredible support system around him (all the advantages listed above). He's certainly very good from an X's and O's standpoint but most of his success is a result of the massive talent advantage they have and his motivational and organizational skills (as opposed to X's and O's). I also think he's a much better Defensive coach than Offensive coach.

If he's such a legendary X's and O's guy, why was his record so poor at MSU (over an extended period of time) and how could mighty Alabama possibly lose to lowly Louisiana Monroe?
1. Youre an idiot. A really big one, I am afraid.

2. Michigan State was hit with several penalties due to grade tempering and infractions of recruiting rules before Saban arrived. Its almost as if Teams suck when the University that they are playing for has done illegal ****.

3. The next head coach that got a winning record with Michigan State in his entire tenure was Mark Dantonio. The same Mark Dantonio that worked under Saban. Funny how that works. BTW, Dantonio was hired almost a decade after Saban left the program to win a national title.

4. Alabama was hit with several NCAA punishments before Saban arrived. They were also an average football team in the mid 2000s before Saban took over.

5. You forgot the 9-2 record at Toledo that he had. Its almost like you are trying to push a false narrative with incomplete and/or false information.

6. Funny, his offense was outdated, yet he won national championships with it. He also beat spread teams on a pretty regular basis.

7. His stint with the Dolphins was much better compared to the stuff that happened afterwards. 1-15. Half of the staff was fired and Bill Parcells was installed, who is the same hardass.

8. Hm, I wonder why Saban is a better defensive coach vs offensive coach. Its almost as if he has served in the defensive coaching staff during his entire career. Oh wait, he did! He also played DB at Kent State!

9. A head coach needs to be a good motivator and CEO? Whats the next thing you want to tell me, Germany invaded Poland? Grass is green? There is a sun above us that keeps our butt from freezing? You dont say!

10. Its funny how people always say that Saban isnt good in Xs and Os. Reason why New England has won during the early 2000s was in large part to a defense that had coverages designed by Saban and Belichick. Belichick vists him every offseason and they tweak stuff in those coverages. In short: what you are saying is bull****.

Delete this post, because this is among the stupidest posts that I have ever seen on this board. In fact, delete your post and then throw the Keyboard out of the window, along with the computer. Those poor things have been tortured too long.
 
Some quotes from an interesting article in the Athletic today ....

"Of the top 100 players in the 2021 class, 48 are headed to one of five programs: Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama and LSU. And there are still more commitments to be made. So nearly half of the most talented players in high school football will play at those five programs. This is the definition of talent gap and why everyone is so fatigued by the same teams competing for spots in the College Football Playoff every year."

"Miami is going to emerge as an ACC power if Manny Diaz can continue to land his share of the top players in his backyard. The Hurricanes signed two five-star prospects from South Florida in defensive tackle Leonard Taylor of Miami Palmetto and safety James Williams of Fort Lauderdale Florida. And Miami also landed Garcia — a Southern California native — to be its quarterback of the future. The Hurricanes currently have the No. 11 class, their best since finishing No. 8 in 2018."

"In the 2020 recruiting class, nine of the nation’s top 30 players played within the Pac-12’s geographic footprint (we’re including Nevada) but just three signed with Pac-12 schools — two at Oregon (linebackers Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell) and one at Washington (linebacker Sav’ell Smalls). That means roughly 30 percent of the truly elite in 2020 were from the West Coast, but only three are playing in the Pac-12. In 2021, nine of the top 50 players nationally are from the Pac-12 footprint, and that includes four-star quarterback Jake Garcia, who transferred from a high school in California to one in Georgia for his senior year. Foreman and five-star defensive lineman J.T. Tuimoloau of Sammamish (Wash.) High remain uncommitted. Of the seven who have committed, four are headed to Pac-12 schools — three to Oregon."

"Five of the top 10 programs in the rankings are from the SEC. It’s a nice reminder as to why the SEC is always at the forefront of the national title race. That conference, simply put, has the best players."

"After Alabama missed the Playoff last year and Nick Saban’s 2021 class ranked in the 50s at one point during the spring, you may have thought this was the beginning of the end for college football’s greatest dynasty. You would have been wrong. There is still some work to be done, but Alabama’s 2021 haul could end up being the best class in the modern era of recruiting. Here’s one stat that puts the Tide’s class into perspective: 13 of the 24 signees rank among the top 90 prospects in the nation in the 247Sports Composite. Alabama’s dominance on the field is a result of the impressive recruiting classes Saban signs on a consistent basis."

"It was a boring signing day for Ohio State, which may be former coach Urban Meyer’s biggest legacy for the Buckeyes. Boring is often good because the class is cemented early and there’s no scrambling. Alabama has all but locked up the recruiting crown in the 2021 cycle, but both the Crimson Tide (.9460) and Buckeyes (.9456) are on the verge of topping the previous record for the highest average player rating. Based on those numbers, the average prospect in these classes is a borderline top-100 player. You read that correctly."


PS: someone from here managed to mope their way into the comments.

"Joe O.

Miami’s problems over the last several decades aren’t so much related to recruiting as to coaching. Frittering away talent has been their calling card. Not sure Diaz is going to change that, but we’ll see"
 
Since Emmert has been President of the NCAA (November 2010), the following teams have been FBS football champions: O$Uck, F$U, Auburn, AlabamaX3...If 'Bama wins again this year and you include their Pre-Emmert 2009 win, 'Bama will have FIVE championships in the past EIGHT years. In comparison, Miami dynasty stretch was FOUR titles in NINE years. The NCAA was sniffing around Miami like crazy at that time and the Pell Grant scheme was finally uncovered with the help of snitches like Alum and current E$ECPN tool Dan LeRetard. Alabama? Not a peep out of the NCAA...'Bama, as per plan, reports their dinky secondary violations and the NCAA points to them as proof of "equal enforcement." George Orwell's Animal Farm could be easily re-written with the "more equal" pig being replaced by a "More Equal" Elephant and be called The NCAA's Animal Farm.

The NFL's precipitous decline, brought on by the leadership clown who is Roger Goodell, is a harbinger of Emmert's killing of the golden goose of college football, it's just a matter of time unless a true competitive balance scheme (Athletic Department budget caps, coaching staff size limitations, mandatory booster financial transaction monitoring, mandatory player "employment" reporting, etc.) is put in place by a visionary leader, not a toadie for the big state schools.
Well lets be real Miami was breaking all the rules so of course they was going to come for us and still do sometimes. But we cant sit here and complain about what other programs are doing. we need to fix our house bc its in a mess that will take sometime to get out of.
 
If you wanna make a difference, hire a PI or take yourself down to Tuscaloosa and get the cheating on camera.
 
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