A Plea for Rationality

[aelmiami]

We can throw stats and everything out the window. The op made some good points. But let's call this like it is. Miami fans are tired of watching Florida and FSU show continued success. If last seasons hadn't been as high we'd be praising Golden and co. But the team didn't reach the expectations of the fan base and probably what the team had set for themselves. At the end of the day this program is better than it was 4 seasons ago. Does that mean Golden deserves the 2015-16 season guaranteed. No, not at all. But the core of the program is better than when he took the job. I think I speak for everyone, this fan base wants Ws. That's it. This situation has just sparked from soooo many seasons of mediocre football at best.

 

[ghost2]

Solid post IMO.

 

[niner]

Last time I checked, we preach UM being a family.Golden and Co are fam.

Mope City unite in 3...2...1...

UM is a family yet you all consistently call out the actual family members, i.e. the players who give it everything they have on the field.

It's always how much Shayon sucked or how horrible Highsmith is. The grown *** men in charge are untouchable though. The foreigners from New Jersey are protected versus the kids (most of which are from the area) who commit here.

Funny how that "family" thing works.

There are posters who dog the players like they were nothing and they are wrong.

It's ok to constructively criticize, but name calling both players and coaches is stupid.

Just like I suspected, Mope City united...

 

[PatrickCane]

We can throw stats and everything out the window. The op made some good points. But let's call this like it is. Miami fans are tired of watching Florida and FSU show continued success. If last seasons hadn't been as high we'd be praising Golden and co. But the team didn't reach the expectations of the fan base and probably what the team had set for themselves. At the end of the day this program is better than it was 4 seasons ago. Does that mean Golden deserves the 2015-16 season guaranteed. No, not at all. But the core of the program is better than when he took the job. I think I speak for everyone, this fan base wants Ws. That's it. This situation has just sparked from soooo many seasons of mediocre football at best.

This over and over. However, it remains to be seen that he is the coach that can take the program to the next level. I just think people need to settle with the reality that if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 consistently that he will not be let go as the head coach at this program. That is just the reality of where we are right now. That may have been unacceptable 10 years ago but it's where we are today, like it or not.

 

[Gatorhater]

You must have just started following this team this season because you mention the Louisville game 100 times in your post.

The Louisville game was the icing on the ****ing cake.

I've been a moderator on the other board you post on for longer than you've been posting on that site. So, no I did not just begin following UM football.

Also, I said in my first post that I thought this defense underperformed somewhat relative to their talent. I don't disagree that Coach D has made me scratch my head more than once. I'm willing to give the guy this year before I roast him, but I can understand why people want him gone.

Yeah, I've been following UM football a while. I remember clearly when Schnelly was hired, and the frustrations in the early days. So when I see siht like I've been seeing the past several years - INCLUDING this asshat's performance, I already know this guy and his defense isn't getting us anywhere near where we want to be.

To say our defense 'underperformed somewhat' is being most generous. "Somewhat" is the same, identical crappy, shocking lack of defense, including scheme, and lack of adjustments that we saw in Golden's first game against Maryland. Identical, same, crappy defense. Not personnel, because the personnel were different. Same crappy coaching and scheme - or lack of it, and same inability to make the most fundamental adjustments that are made even at the Pop Warner level.

You're going to give him a year? It's my burden in life to be ahead of others, so I was basically where you are when he was hired. I'm way, way down the road from there.

Golden needs to roll up his carpet, grab his buddy, and hit the road.

He tried, but PSU didn't want his buddy.

 

[Gatorhater]

We can throw stats and everything out the window. The op made some good points. But let's call this like it is. Miami fans are tired of watching Florida and FSU show continued success. If last seasons hadn't been as high we'd be praising Golden and co. But the team didn't reach the expectations of the fan base and probably what the team had set for themselves. At the end of the day this program is better than it was 4 seasons ago. Does that mean Golden deserves the 2015-16 season guaranteed. No, not at all. But the core of the program is better than when he took the job. I think I speak for everyone, this fan base wants Ws. That's it. This situation has just sparked from soooo many seasons of mediocre football at best.

This over and over. However, it remains to be seen that he is the coach that can take the program to the next level. I just think people need to settle with the reality that if he goes 8-4 or 9-3 consistently that he will not be let go as the head coach at this program. That is just the reality of where we are right now. That may have been unacceptable 10 years ago but it's where we are today, like it or not.

We are a small private school in the hottest city within a thousand miles. THE U cannot sustain 8-4 or 9-3. Attendance will dip to 10 or 15k and recruiting will be dismal. The record will go to 6-6 or 5-6. There is no middle of the road for us. We will become the Temple of the ACC. We will be shortly be back to pre Howard days. The Board of Trustees might have to step up and clean house--starting with Donna.

Al has shown he makes a good impression and, unfortunately, shown very limited coaching skills. We have to see something much more this year. Al has to show he can step up to the big league and beat some heads in. I fear we might find ourselves a 2 - 4 this year. If so, we should be prepared to show Al the door before the open date and bring in a serious coach. We have to former Cane coaches sitting on their hands with NFL HC experience. Either could slide in, salvage the recruiting class and maybe even take down FSU.

 

[Angry Ibis]

How many times has a head coach of a major D-I program been fired in the early part of the season?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

How many times has a head coach of a major D-I program been fired in the early part of the season?

Lane Kiffin?
Mike Stoop?
Bob Toledo?
Mike Locksley?
Don Treadwell?

Probably not all really early in the season though.

 

[Angry Ibis]

How many times has a head coach of a major D-I program been fired in the early part of the season?

Lane Kiffin?

Good point. Couldn't let people get their hopes up without getting my head around an example first.

 

[OBLIVION]

Some people just have blind faith that things will get better. It took Tina a good time to realize. Ike's hands weren't going to stop slapping her face.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Straw man...

We don't need " NFL draft picks ALL OVER our defense" but there wasn't 1 outside of Perrymen that was an upper classmen. Not 1. Maybe Gunter.

Name 1 senior from last year on defense that is making an NFL team in a significant role next year? You will be found wanting.

How many Duke players were invited to the combine?

How many draft picks will they have?

Duke had a good team. What do you want me to say to you JHall? They also caught us without our 2 best offensive players (Duke and Dorsett) and a hobbled Morris. We couldn't get a first down and the defense was on the field all night.

Duke almost beat A&M in a bowl game. Why are we acting like they weren't a good team simply because they had a Blue Devil next to their helmet.

To answer your question directly, they don't have a ton of talent either, but their team was older and more experienced on both sides of the ball. They took advantage of our youth and injuries.

LMAO at the lies. ***** we returned 20 of 22 starters. How much more experience do you want on the ****ing team.

**** you Greg Golden and **** your uncle too.

First of all, enough with the cursing. It doesn't make you appear tougher because there is a computer screen and thousands of miles between us. It just makes you look silly and frustrated.

Secondly, if you followed the discussion you would immediately realize that on the defensive side, more than half of those guys should have been playing for Duke or somewhere in the Sun Belt conference. So what difference does it make if you return 10 of 11 on the defense (or whatever it was) if 7 of them are extremely sub par and the others (including depth) are 2nd year players or freshmen?

I get just as frustrated as every Cane fan on this site, but I temper it because there is so much that Golden had to deal with from an empty cupboard when he got here, to Sanctions for 3 years, to negative recruiting, et al.

Answer 1 question, all of you Golden Haters... Who would you replace Golden with in 2012 (after the sanctions hit) THAT WOULD HAVE COME HERE. Don't give me unrealistic names.

Before the sanctions guys were refusing us left and right. The place was a joke and everyone knew it. At least when Al leaves the next guy will inherit a real team with real talent that is game ready.

On the defensive side, our players weren't up to spec? Well WHO'S fault is THAT?

Butch ****ing Davis!

 

[umfire]

I said in my original post that I expect this defense to improve substantially and for us to win the Coastal. I'm on board with those who will utterly lose faith if those things don't happen...

As far as this "Golden was willing to leave us, he isn't family", I mean, Butch Davis straight lied to every one's face in here... and left. Of course he didn't have anything else to prove but that's not act like what Golden did doesn't happen at every major university.

And LOL at the notion that Shannon was a better HC. He literally quit recruiting his last year.

And GTFOH with the " criticize players talent and athleticism = treating them like they aren't part of the family" I have great respect for Shayon Greene (a guy, BTW, it might be argued Golden got the very most out of) but in a discussion of talent obviously I am going to mention that a guy with his ability should never be starting at DE for UM. Chad Thomas, AQM, McCord yes.

Anyway, it absolutely is a put up or shut up year for Golden.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Some people just have blind faith that things will get better. It took Tina a good time to realize. Ike's hands weren't going to stop slapping her face.

Can Ike coach DL?

 

[DaU83]

Didn't say that. Talent to go 11-1? No.

Who in the starting 22 sees meaningful time on a good UM team? You posted a picture but how about actual discussion.

I mean, I can post a picture of our last 3 draft classes if you want.

While you're at it post a pic of Duke's last 3 draft classes. Yep, only one player drafted and still won the shltty division. You mentioned that Duke was a senior laden team but that isn't true- Their offense carried the team and only had 3 sr starters. They were a well coached team, instead...

But it took how long to get to that?

Forever...It is Duke. Al just doesn't have the talent excuse like Duke and Wake does. He definitely doesn't have 6 years.

I agree, but we're *****ing and moaning like we're about to go into year 7 of the Golden era, we're not.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Butch Davis straight lied to every one's face in here... and left.

The administration tried to shank Butch with his contract. They forced him out. Knowing he had just publicy stated he was staying. He fully expected the clause to be abridged in his contract. The idiots up top were too arrogant and thus we only got 1 NC out of what should have been 3+.

And here we are with a BS coach and a BS DC. A half of an OC and all the talent necessary to win within 50 miles of campus.

You are carrying water for the wrong team.

 

[Sabetta]

Last time I checked, we preach UM being a family.Golden and Co are fam.

Mope City unite in 3...2...1...

Called it on page 1 of this thread. I'm not even a fan of Golden but if you don't call him names like a 5 year old than you hug his nuts. So I say...

 

[JHallCanes]

I said in my original post that I expect this defense to improve substantially and for us to win the Coastal. I'm on board with those who will utterly lose faith if those things don't happen...

As far as this "Golden was willing to leave us, he isn't family", I mean, Butch Davis straight lied to every one's face in here... and left. Of course he didn't have anything else to prove but that's not act like what Golden did doesn't happen at every major university.

And LOL at the notion that Shannon was a better HC. He literally quit recruiting his last year.

And GTFOH with the " criticize players talent and athleticism = treating them like they aren't part of the family" I have great respect for Shayon Greene (a guy, BTW, it might be argued Golden got the very most out of) but in a discussion of talent obviously I am going to mention that a guy with his ability should never be starting at DE for UM. Chad Thomas, AQM, McCord yes.

Anyway, it absolutely is a put up or shut up year for Golden.

I think the whole discussion/debate veered a little bit from your OP but your last line is a bit lost in all the BS. There's quite a few guys that have developed very nicely for Golden and had good senior years. **** anyone put money in Vegas on Jacob Wheeler being maybe our best OL?

We are starting to get to that point where some of the stars Golden recruited are becoming upperclassmen so we can better evaluate his development in the next year or two. There's promise there.

 

[DMoney]

I'm still a believer in Golden because of his work ethic and intelligence. But I worry about fit. He only knows the Northeast way. The furthest South he's been is Virginia. Football is different in the South, and it's much different in Miami.

I am concerned that he and D'Onofrio couldn't recruit any linebackers to beat out Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. Cloud or not, that's alarming. There is more than enough talent in South Florida that would kill for a Miami offer.

You mentioned the Duke game. IMO, the reason that game hurt so bad is: (1) the stakes; and (2) the fact that they beat us up physically. That shouldn't happen, ever. We didn't recruit anybody on their offensive line or in their front seven.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I'm still a believer in Golden because of his work ethic and intelligence. But I worry about fit. He only knows the Northeast way. The furthest South he's been is Virginia. Football is different in the South, and it's much different in Miami.

I am concerned that he and D'Onofrio couldn't recruit any linebackers to beat out Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. Cloud or not, that's alarming. There is more than enough talent in South Florida that would kill for a Miami offer.

You mentioned the Duke game. IMO, the reason that game hurt so bad is: (1) the stakes; and (2) the fact that they beat us up physically. That shouldn't happen, ever. We didn't recruit anybody on their offensive line or in their front seven.

Danny, you're a nice guy, and I agree that he has a good work ethic and intelligence. But. There's got to be an intuition - an instinct. And Golden doesn't have it.

That Yankee football has no place down here, and thanks for mentioning it. He needs to take his northern learning back up north. I know he tried, but PSU wasn't having any of it.

We're missing more talent because of defensive approach, and gameday coaching, than the law allows. Just ****es me off, and he's too stubborn to change defensive approach, or defensive coordinator.

 

[NVA CANE]

I actually think Golden would be successful at a school in the north east. A Rutgers, Penn State or Temple, etc. He recruits very well up there and understands the culture and dynamics. Also the expectations are lower than they are at Miami. He's a hard worker and wants to win, no one would disagree there. Problem is, as D$ so eloquently pointed out, it simply may not be a good fit, so far its looking that way and I haven't seen anything that would indicate otherwise. We will see.