A little intel from an ACC President

Exactly, sports are often loss leaders to pull in the elusive male demographic and advertise for other things on the network.

One of the primary drivers of bloat in the educational system is the government sponsored availability of student debt. Law schools are an excellent case study: highly profitable for institutions, but there is no corresponding job market once grads are through.


Actually, one of the primary divers of bloat is the rise in the administrative sector in universities. Faculty hiring remains pretty limited, and much has been shifted to low-salary adjuncts who don't get bennies. But the administrative sector has grown by leaps and bounds. It's not that they make huge salaries--it's that there are so many of them, so many layers of bureaucracy.
 
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Exactly, sports are often loss leaders to pull in the elusive male demographic and advertise for other things on the network.

One of the primary drivers of bloat in the educational system is the government sponsored availability of student debt. Law schools are an excellent case study: highly profitable for institutions, but there is no corresponding job market once grads are through.

Highly debatable point.

As evidenced by our own UM Law Alumna Perez, even a pig ***** can make a living with a law degree.
 
Name one untruth for Fl states colleges and many other states are worse? Please inform us, lol. BS

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I would take their time served and then sue the fock out of this corrupt gestapo style BS organization. Take the NCAA down now so they can't come after us again later down the road when they have even more of a vendetta against us. Time to break up the good ol' boy club...

Do you really think Colleges are any different than the NCAA? Of course they don't want the kids being paid, less for their pockets. They are all corrupt as **** now, makes me sick. This generation of kids are getting F up the *** with all the over paid teachers, staff and presidents. IMO, college is nothing but a big joke now, raping the young people. 10 years to become a doctor, 8 for a lawyer, get the F out of here, nothing but a scam so others can keep people in the system longer so they will have jobs.

If it wasn't for college sports I'd love to see them all go belly up, nothing but a scam job so others can pad their bank accounts. Give me a doctor that has 2-4 years of college and 6 years of on the job training and you will have one that has a clue when they are given the OK to practice. Much easier to weed the bad ones out, can anyone tell I think colleges and the NCAA are a F scam job? lol

Blame Title IX. Only about 25% of the athletic programs in college are turning a profit, how can other schools afford to pay players?

How about cutting those bloated teacher/staff/ college presidents pay? How about making their retirement age 65 to 70 like the rest of the private sector. How about getting rid their pensions, that nobody in the private sector gets anymore? They should get SS and that's it, like the private sector, let them save for their own retirement like I did. How about getting rid of their drop plans worth up to and more than a million dollars? How about getting rid of turning in their sick time for 30 years for hundreds of thousands of dollars? How about getting rid of their H In insurance just like the private sector when they retire early? How about getting rid of paid vacation and personal time, 4 months off a year is not enough? Add up personal time, sick time and vacation time it's 5 months off, GTFOOH. I could go on if you wish? These people are robbing your kids and grand kids blind for in many cases a worthless piece of paper.
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Wow. So many untruths in here. SMH
 
Name one untruth for Fl states colleges and many other states are worse? Please inform us, lol. BS
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I just named several:

1. Most instructors are adjuncts who don't get paid a lot and don't receive state benefits.
2. Those instructors who are in tenure-track positions do not receive "bloated" salaries, and most of them do not retire early with fat pensions.

Basically the whole idea that professors are getting rich and have fat benefit packages that are draining state budgets is total BS.

The biggest cost-cutting measure that universities could undertake is cutting back administrative and bureacratic positions. As I said earlier, it's not that their salaries are bloated (most admins make ~50-75k; only upper level bureaucrats make more). It's that there are so many of them that hold unnecessary or repetitive positions.
 
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Not sure what kind of back *** place you are getting your stats from but in Fl, throw that **** out the window. Of course the younger teachers aren't going to get paid ****, thanks to the old thieving tenured bunch ripping them off. They can't charge 200k per student a yearso everyone gets to steal. No benefits, BS, there are many getting 500k and more in drop plans. They get discounted HC, sick time scams, vacation time scams, most don't work 35 hours per week. Even bad teachers can't be fired if they are in public unions, another scam job. I know a couple of X teachers from FAU who sure and **** didn't wait till 70 to retire, live very comfortable with their pensions in W Boca.

Regardless of what you think they should be paid, this generation and the next are going broke trying to go to college. I don't care about the hand full that pull in millions in grant money, that is part of their job. Doesn't mean they are worth 500k per year, with massive pensions and drop scams. The schools also get millions of tax payers dollar too, that is half the problem. Why should I and the rest of the tax payers pay one dime towards some dopey professors retirement, drop scam ect? The union teachers want raises every year while the rest of the private sector goes down the drain, fire their asses and hire the young ones at a reasonable pay for 7 Months of work per year. Very rarely do they teach you anything your really need to know. Most of what you learn is on the job, yes even doctors. Cut college time in half at least and send students to job sites, that is where they learn something useful.

Here is a list of the high paid thieves ripping off others kids and grand kids. And yes of course the young ones get paid peanuts, the old timers are ******** them too. http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/Orlando/ftlaudosuniversities/ftlauduniversities_list.php?goto=1

I have CA and a few other states that are even worse, but then again they will default one day because of these over paid thieves.


http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/Orlando/ftlaudosuniversities/ftlauduniversities_list.php?goto=1



+1

I would take their time served and then sue the fock out of this corrupt gestapo style BS organization. Take the NCAA down now so they can't come after us again later down the road when they have even more of a vendetta against us. Time to break up the good ol' boy club...

Do you really think Colleges are any different than the NCAA? Of course they don't want the kids being paid, less for their pockets. They are all corrupt as **** now, makes me sick. This generation of kids are getting F up the *** with all the over paid teachers, staff and presidents. IMO, college is nothing but a big joke now, raping the young people. 10 years to become a doctor, 8 for a lawyer, get the F out of here, nothing but a scam so others can keep people in the system longer so they will have jobs.

If it wasn't for college sports I'd love to see them all go belly up, nothing but a scam job so others can pad their bank accounts. Give me a doctor that has 2-4 years of college and 6 years of on the job training and you will have one that has a clue when they are given the OK to practice. Much easier to weed the bad ones out, can anyone tell I think colleges and the NCAA are a F scam job? lol

Blame Title IX. Only about 25% of the athletic programs in college are turning a profit, how can other schools afford to pay players?

How about cutting those bloated teacher/staff/ college presidents pay? How about making their retirement age 65 to 70 like the rest of the private sector. How about getting rid their pensions, that nobody in the private sector gets anymore? They should get SS and that's it, like the private sector, let them save for their own retirement like I did. How about getting rid of their drop plans worth up to and more than a million dollars? How about getting rid of turning in their sick time for 30 years for hundreds of thousands of dollars? How about getting rid of their H In insurance just like the private sector when they retire early? How about getting rid of paid vacation and personal time, 4 months off a year is not enough? Add up personal time, sick time and vacation time it's 5 months off, GTFOOH. I could go on if you wish? These people are robbing your kids and grand kids blind for in many cases a worthless piece of paper.
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Bloated teacher salaries? Are you serious?

76% of all college instructors across the US are adjuncts--which means they get paid an average of about $2,500 per course they teach. They get no benefits, and they usually hold down at least one other job on the outside just to get by.

The other 24% of instructors who are in tenure track positions don't make a helluva lot of money either. The average starting salary for an assistant professor (the bottom rung for tenure track jobs) is around 60k, and the average for a "full" professor (the top rung, those professors who've usually been in the job for 15+ years and have performed well) is around 140k. A lot depends on the discipline, though--the average full professor in English or Humanities makes something like 90k, while the average med/law/engineering professor can make 175-200k.

Either way, they're not the ones getting rich. In the entire state of FL, there are only maybe 2-300 profs who make more than 300k/yr...and the vast majority of them work for the med school at UF or are superstar engineers or scientists who pull in millions of dollars in grants for their university.

As far as their retirement age...you ever look at the age of most tenured faculty members? Most don't retire until at least 70.
 
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Not sure what kind of back *** place you are getting your stats from but in Fl, throw that **** out the window. Of course the younger teachers aren't going to get paid ****, thanks to the old thieving tenured bunch ripping them off. They can't charge 200k per student a yearso everyone gets to steal. No benefits, BS, there are many getting 500k and more in drop plans. They get discounted HC, sick time scams, vacation time scams, most don't work 35 hours per week. Even bad teachers can't be fired if they are in public unions, another scam job. I know a couple of X teachers from FAU who sure and **** didn't wait till 70 to retire, live very comfortable with their pensions in W Boca.

Regardless of what you think they should be paid, this generation and the next are going broke trying to go to college. I don't care about the hand full that pull in millions in grant money, that is part of their job. Doesn't mean they are worth 500k per year, with massive pensions and drop scams. The schools also get millions of tax payers dollar too, that is half the problem. Why should I and the rest of the tax payers pay one dime towards some dopey professors retirement, drop scam ect? The union teachers want raises every year while the rest of the private sector goes down the drain, fire their asses and hire the young ones at a reasonable pay for 7 Months of work per year. Very rarely do they teach you anything your really need to know. Most of what you learn is on the job, yes even doctors. Cut college time in half at least and send students to job sites, that is where they learn something useful.

Here is a list of the high paid thieves ripping off others kids and grand kids. And yes of course the young ones get paid peanuts, the old timers are ******** them too. http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/Orlando/ftlaudosuniversities/ftlauduniversities_list.php?goto=1

I have CA and a few other states that are even worse, but then again they will default one day because of these over paid thieves.


http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/Orlando/ftlaudosuniversities/ftlauduniversities_list.php?goto=1



Do you really think Colleges are any different than the NCAA? Of course they don't want the kids being paid, less for their pockets. They are all corrupt as **** now, makes me sick. This generation of kids are getting F up the *** with all the over paid teachers, staff and presidents. IMO, college is nothing but a big joke now, raping the young people. 10 years to become a doctor, 8 for a lawyer, get the F out of here, nothing but a scam so others can keep people in the system longer so they will have jobs.

If it wasn't for college sports I'd love to see them all go belly up, nothing but a scam job so others can pad their bank accounts. Give me a doctor that has 2-4 years of college and 6 years of on the job training and you will have one that has a clue when they are given the OK to practice. Much easier to weed the bad ones out, can anyone tell I think colleges and the NCAA are a F scam job? lol

Blame Title IX. Only about 25% of the athletic programs in college are turning a profit, how can other schools afford to pay players?

How about cutting those bloated teacher/staff/ college presidents pay? How about making their retirement age 65 to 70 like the rest of the private sector. How about getting rid their pensions, that nobody in the private sector gets anymore? They should get SS and that's it, like the private sector, let them save for their own retirement like I did. How about getting rid of their drop plans worth up to and more than a million dollars? How about getting rid of turning in their sick time for 30 years for hundreds of thousands of dollars? How about getting rid of their H In insurance just like the private sector when they retire early? How about getting rid of paid vacation and personal time, 4 months off a year is not enough? Add up personal time, sick time and vacation time it's 5 months off, GTFOOH. I could go on if you wish? These people are robbing your kids and grand kids blind for in many cases a worthless piece of paper.
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I think we've been through this crap before...if I'm not mistaken, you brought this same lame-*** argument up before, maybe on the WEZ.

You posted that database before, and I ripped it apart back then. As I said then, and re-stated earlier in this thread, most (if not all) of the 200-300 faculty members in the state of FL who are making more than 300k are either A) Working for Shands at UF or other med schools, and are heads of departments within those schools or B) are working in engineering/biology/physic, are heads of their departments, and are raking in millions of dollars in grants for their school.

You really have no clue what you're talking--you exhibited it back then, and you're exhibiting it now. Just stop.
 
Some adjuncts are well off and teach because they love teaching, we thank them all for their service to their kids and grand kids. Some are probably new teachers who an't be hired full time because of all the over paid thieves above them. One for instance, we were in Yellowstone camping next to us was a teacher, we got to talking. They had to lay a few hundred high school teachers off in her district. They had to cut the budget 10%, so of course the young ones got the ax. I said to her, why didn't your union vote to take a cut and save those kids jobs, she said no way she was taking a cut. I said that's pretty ****** that you expect those young teachers to put into your pension when they get rehired someday, but you tenured teachers won't take a small cut to let them keep their jobs. I said that's pretty darn greedy if you ask me, those are someones kids and grand kids you are sticking it to. The teacher and her husband sat there with their mouths open, he worked in the private sector, he said I can see your point.

I guess my bloated salaries are not in agreement with what you call bloated salaries. It's for some where around 7 months of work remember. Never once did I say they are singled out for draining state budgets, but now that you mention it they have a nice big part in it along with all the rest of the public union and gov workers. Not wanting to pay 3% out of pay check to pay for their own retirement, those entitled pricks should all be fired.

And no I will never back down from any scammer. Met a huge firemen from Hollywood Florida a couple weeks back in the casino while I was watching a game. He started bragging he was retired since 43, now he was my age, I said where from, gov job. Hollywood fire dept, I told him, you're all a band of thieves down there, with all those scam benefits and early retirements. I knew more about his own fire dept than he did. To say the least he didn't like it, tough ****.

Name one untruth for Fl states colleges and many other states are worse? Please inform us, lol. BS


I just named several:

1. Most instructors are adjuncts who don't get paid a lot and don't receive state benefits.
2. Those instructors who are in tenure-track positions do not receive "bloated" salaries, and most of them do not retire early with fat pensions.

Basically the whole idea that professors are getting rich and have fat benefit packages that are draining state budgets is total BS.

The biggest cost-cutting measure that universities could undertake is cutting back administrative and bureacratic positions. As I said earlier, it's not that their salaries are bloated (most admins make ~50-75k; only upper level bureaucrats make more). It's that there are so many of them that hold unnecessary or repetitive positions.[/QUOTE]
 
Some adjuncts are well off and teach because they love teaching, we thank them all for their service to their kids and grand kids. Some are probably new teachers who an't be hired full time because of all the over paid thieves above them. One for instance, we were in Yellowstone camping next to us was a teacher, we got to talking. They had to lay a few hundred high school teachers off in her district. They had to cut the budget 10%, so of course the young ones got the ax. I said to her, why didn't your union vote to take a cut and save those kids jobs, she said no way she was taking a cut. I said that's pretty ****** that you expect those young teachers to put into your pension when they get rehired someday, but you tenured teachers won't take a small cut to let them keep their jobs. I said that's pretty darn greedy if you ask me, those are someones kids and grand kids you are sticking it to. The teacher and her husband sat there with their mouths open, he worked in the private sector, he said I can see your point.

I guess my bloated salaries are not in agreement with what you call bloated salaries. It's for some where around 7 months of work remember. Never once did I say they are singled out for draining state budgets, but now that you mention it they have a nice big part in it along with all the rest of the public union and gov workers. Not wanting to pay 3% out of pay check to pay for their own retirement, those entitled pricks should all be fired.

And no I will never back down from any scammer. Met a huge firemen from Hollywood Florida a couple weeks back in the casino while I was watching a game. He started bragging he was retired since 43, now he was my age, I said where from, gov job. Hollywood fire dept, I told him, you're all a band of thieves down there, with all those scam benefits and early retirements. I knew more about his own fire dept than he did. To say the least he didn't like it, tough ****.

Name one untruth for Fl states colleges and many other states are worse? Please inform us, lol. BS


I just named several:

1. Most instructors are adjuncts who don't get paid a lot and don't receive state benefits.
2. Those instructors who are in tenure-track positions do not receive "bloated" salaries, and most of them do not retire early with fat pensions.

Basically the whole idea that professors are getting rich and have fat benefit packages that are draining state budgets is total BS.

The biggest cost-cutting measure that universities could undertake is cutting back administrative and bureacratic positions. As I said earlier, it's not that their salaries are bloated (most admins make ~50-75k; only upper level bureaucrats make more). It's that there are so many of them that hold unnecessary or repetitive positions.
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Seriously. you should just stop. You are so incredibly off-base and full of absolute **** that's it's comical. You have no clue what you're talking about.

College professors are not paid like k-12 teachers. They work a full year. When they're not teaching, they are researching and writing books or articles. If they don't show results, they don't get tenure. If they don't get tenure, they get stuck making 60-80k at best.

And when you speak of "young" adjuncts, keep in mind that most are in their mid-30s before they complete a PhD. Which means that while people in the private sector have already been working for 5-10 years and building up their bank accounts, adjuncts have been in school, only to be rewarded by making ~20k/yr or so as an instructor. And many of them do that for several years on end. The vast majority of them do not come from wealthy families. They do it because they love the job. No one in academia does it to get rich.
 
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You didn't rip **** apart, the truth hurts doesn't it. I show proof, stop with your BS. I also showed you huge drop scams, sick time scams worth hundreds of thousands. You can talk all you want, there is no justifying ******** over the next generation so these jerkoffs can live high off the hog. Isn't it part of their job to bring in money? Of course it is, doesn't mean they should be paid 500k per year. Now find me some data of how much they bring in not from gov tax payers dollars. Stop talking and start proving please. I showed you hard data, your turn start with the top 300 on that list. Let's see how much they really brought in, compared to your talking about it.

They might be raking in gov grants from the tax payers, any idiot could fill out paper work for that crap. Kind of like stolen money unless it's a private grant. Let's steal that money from the next generation, oh they will never figure that out. lol It might be a hair better if we weren't stealing 1.5 trillion a year from them to pay bloated salaries, don't you think? Another thinker I see.

Reminds me of the next door neighbors kid, just went off the the University of Alabama. he can't mow the lawn, he tell his mom he is a thinker not a doer, he wants to be a doctor, lol. I can't wait till he gets back so I can ask him if any of those thinkers teaching him, taught him how to run a lawn mower so he can help his mom out. To many useless thinkers is one of our countries problems, the doers have been over run.

Not sure what kind of back *** place you are getting your stats from but in Fl, throw that **** out the window. Of course the younger teachers aren't going to get paid ****, thanks to the old thieving tenured bunch ripping them off. They can't charge 200k per student a yearso everyone gets to steal. No benefits, BS, there are many getting 500k and more in drop plans. They get discounted HC, sick time scams, vacation time scams, most don't work 35 hours per week. Even bad teachers can't be fired if they are in public unions, another scam job. I know a couple of X teachers from FAU who sure and **** didn't wait till 70 to retire, live very comfortable with their pensions in W Boca.

Regardless of what you think they should be paid, this generation and the next are going broke trying to go to college. I don't care about the hand full that pull in millions in grant money, that is part of their job. Doesn't mean they are worth 500k per year, with massive pensions and drop scams. The schools also get millions of tax payers dollar too, that is half the problem. Why should I and the rest of the tax payers pay one dime towards some dopey professors retirement, drop scam ect? The union teachers want raises every year while the rest of the private sector goes down the drain, fire their asses and hire the young ones at a reasonable pay for 7 Months of work per year. Very rarely do they teach you anything your really need to know. Most of what you learn is on the job, yes even doctors. Cut college time in half at least and send students to job sites, that is where they learn something useful.

Here is a list of the high paid thieves ripping off others kids and grand kids. And yes of course the young ones get paid peanuts, the old timers are ******** them too. http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/Orlando/ftlaudosuniversities/ftlauduniversities_list.php?goto=1

I have CA and a few other states that are even worse, but then again they will default one day because of these over paid thieves.


http://databases.sun-sentinel.com/Orlando/ftlaudosuniversities/ftlauduniversities_list.php?goto=1



Blame Title IX. Only about 25% of the athletic programs in college are turning a profit, how can other schools afford to pay players?

How about cutting those bloated teacher/staff/ college presidents pay? How about making their retirement age 65 to 70 like the rest of the private sector. How about getting rid their pensions, that nobody in the private sector gets anymore? They should get SS and that's it, like the private sector, let them save for their own retirement like I did. How about getting rid of their drop plans worth up to and more than a million dollars? How about getting rid of turning in their sick time for 30 years for hundreds of thousands of dollars? How about getting rid of their H In insurance just like the private sector when they retire early? How about getting rid of paid vacation and personal time, 4 months off a year is not enough? Add up personal time, sick time and vacation time it's 5 months off, GTFOOH. I could go on if you wish? These people are robbing your kids and grand kids blind for in many cases a worthless piece of paper.
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I think we've been through this crap before...if I'm not mistaken, you brought this same lame-*** argument up before, maybe on the WEZ.

You posted that database before, and I ripped it apart back then. As I said then, and re-stated earlier in this thread, most (if not all) of the 200-300 faculty members in the state of FL who are making more than 300k are either A) Working for Shands at UF or other med schools, and are heads of departments within those schools or B) are working in engineering/biology/physic, are heads of their departments, and are raking in millions of dollars in grants for their school.

You really have no clue what you're talking--you exhibited it back then, and you're exhibiting it now. Just stop.
 
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fast,

Here are some facts for you:

"The average pay of professors ranges between $60,000 and $90,000, depending on the school, according to the American Association of University Professors.

Many of the higher-paying professors, Auxter said, are working physicians who teach in the medical schools. Some professors are paid more because they also have administrative positions.

Some are paid large salaries because they bring in significant amounts of money through grants and other revenue sources for research. These other sources often provide at least part of their income, a fact that can easily be overlooked when reading the governor's online database."

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"At UF's College of Medicine, only about 9 percent of the college's budget comes from the state," said spokeswoman Janine Sikes.
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Seriously, dude, just stop. You keep doubling down and making yourself looks stupider by the post.
 
Oh. and fast, here's another thing.

Look at that database of salaries you posted. There are over 52k records there, 52k faculty members university employees listed there.

Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.

About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.

Faculty salaries are not the problem.
 
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That was just showing how greedy the public sector is. They work a full year BS, they do, they work less than 35 hours per week on average. Unless they get paid extra they are not working summers, spring vacations, Christmas vacations, many more holiday than the private sector gets. Then you can add sick time, personal time and vacation time, that one is a real joke, vacation time, come on now. lol

Tenure: "The [continuing contract] rule hasn't been looked at in at least 30 years," he said. "In our system, the rule, as it's written, is that everybody is on the tenure track. Doesn't say some get tenure, it says everyone. Tenure is a joke, imagine you can't be fired for being a bad teacher, lol. No problem, with that?

Read more: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ty-contracts-again-under-review#ixzz2Qqjw1NCv
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Stop, at least do some research before you Write, come on teach.

Like I said, I know professors in Boca, they don't work summers, and they don't do research or writings in the summer, I doubt they ever do it, lol. Researching what, how to teach? lol They sure and **** don't make 60k either. Tenure is the biggest joke ever, it's just another scam job, that let's bad teachers keep their jobs. Let's talk about that one, ok.

'' Which means that while people in the private sector have already been working for 5-10 years and building up their bank accounts''

I guess you don't keep up with the times. Most Americans spend more than they save now, tough to save now with all the taxes to pay for gov workers.

''adjuncts have been in school, only to be rewarded by making ~20k/yr or so as an instructor.''

Then go get a real job with that 10 years of education, see how much it gets you now. I guess you didn't see the list of many hundreds, probably thousand in Fl making too much. Most making a tad bit more than 20k, lol Like I keep saying many of those pieces of paper are worthless.

'' Most of them do not come from wealthy families.'' Never said they did. I said some are well off and give back to the next generation. Some actually go outside the box and become doers for a while.

Some adjuncts are well off and teach because they love teaching, we thank them all for their service to their kids and grand kids. Some are probably new teachers who an't be hired full time because of all the over paid thieves above them. One for instance, we were in Yellowstone camping next to us was a teacher, we got to talking. They had to lay a few hundred high school teachers off in her district. They had to cut the budget 10%, so of course the young ones got the ax. I said to her, why didn't your union vote to take a cut and save those kids jobs, she said no way she was taking a cut. I said that's pretty ****ty that you expect those young teachers to put into your pension when they get rehired someday, but you tenured teachers won't take a small cut to let them keep their jobs. I said that's pretty darn greedy if you ask me, those are someones kids and grand kids you are sticking it to. The teacher and her husband sat there with their mouths open, he worked in the private sector, he said I can see your point.

I guess my bloated salaries are not in agreement with what you call bloated salaries. It's for some where around 7 months of work remember. Never once did I say they are singled out for draining state budgets, but now that you mention it they have a nice big part in it along with all the rest of the public union and gov workers. Not wanting to pay 3% out of pay check to pay for their own retirement, those entitled pricks should all be fired.

And no I will never back down from any scammer. Met a huge firemen from Hollywood Florida a couple weeks back in the casino while I was watching a game. He started bragging he was retired since 43, now he was my age, I said where from, gov job. Hollywood fire dept, I told him, you're all a band of thieves down there, with all those scam benefits and early retirements. I knew more about his own fire dept than he did. To say the least he didn't like it, tough ****.

Name one untruth for Fl states colleges and many other states are worse? Please inform us, lol. BS


I just named several:

1. Most instructors are adjuncts who don't get paid a lot and don't receive state benefits.
2. Those instructors who are in tenure-track positions do not receive "bloated" salaries, and most of them do not retire early with fat pensions.

Basically the whole idea that professors are getting rich and have fat benefit packages that are draining state budgets is total BS.

The biggest cost-cutting measure that universities could undertake is cutting back administrative and bureacratic positions. As I said earlier, it's not that their salaries are bloated (most admins make ~50-75k; only upper level bureaucrats make more). It's that there are so many of them that hold unnecessary or repetitive positions.


Seriously. you should just stop. You are so incredibly off-base and full of absolute **** that's it's comical. You have no clue what you're talking about.

College professors are not paid like k-12 teachers. They work a full year. When they're not teaching, they are researching and writing books or articles. If they don't show results, they don't get tenure. If they don't get tenure, they get stuck making 60-80k at best.

And when you speak of "young" adjuncts, keep in mind that most are in their mid-30s before they complete a PhD. Which means that while people in the private sector have already been working for 5-10 years and building up their bank accounts, adjuncts have been in school, only to be rewarded by making ~20k/yr or so as an instructor. And many of them do that for several years on end. The vast majority of them do not come from wealthy families. They do it because they love the job. No one in academia does it to get rich.[/QUOTE]
 
Ok, I'm done with this. You've clearly shown you have no idea of what you're talking about; no sense in trying to change your mind with facts. Have fun burying your head in the sand and whining about nothing.
 
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Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.''

That's 1000 to many!

''About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.''

Very few should make 100k, I don't think you get it, kids can't pay the amount of money back with the jobs they will get when they are done with college. One thing I hate doing is educating a teacher using common sense. Get some uneducated smuck like me to do the paper work for all those grants, fire the ones that are way over paid. Send the kids out early to doctors offices, law offices or whatever field they choose to learn what they really need to know, college is massive scam now. Still love me some Canes football though, lol.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57555780/student-loan-debt-nears-$1-trillion-is-it-the-new-subprime/

They can't afford to pay it back because the jobs don't pay enough, that means the education is not worth what they are charging, higher paid teachers and the rest of the scammers need to take big cuts. That effects the whole economy down the road, if they have bad credit they cant buy that teachers big house when they want to downsize, ect.



Oh. and fast, here's another thing.

Look at that database of salaries you posted. There are over 52k records there, 52k faculty members university employees listed there.

Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.

About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.

Faculty salaries are not the problem.
 
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Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.''

That's 1000 to many!

''About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.''

Very few should make 100k, I don't think you get it, kids can't pay the amount of money back with the jobs they will get when they are done with college. One thing I hate doing is educating a teacher using common sense. Get some uneducated smuck like me to do the paper work for all those grants, fire the ones that are way over paid. Send the kids out early to doctors offices, law offices or whatever field they choose to learn what they really need to know, college is massive scam now. Still love me some Canes football though, lol.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57555780/student-loan-debt-nears-$1-trillion-is-it-the-new-subprime/

They can't afford to pay it back because the jobs don't pay enough, that means the education is not worth what they are charging, higher paid teachers and the rest of the scammers need to take big cuts. That effects the whole economy down the road, if they have bad credit they cant buy that teachers big house when they want to downsize, ect.



Oh. and fast, here's another thing.

Look at that database of salaries you posted. There are over 52k records there, 52k faculty members university employees listed there.

Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.

About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.

Faculty salaries are not the problem.


No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

I've told you over and over again that the high-paid professors are med-school profs and science researchers who are tops in their field and bring in millions of dollars in grants to their universities, as well as millions of dollars of industry to the state of FLA.

You're acting as though the contribute nothing, which couldn't be further from the truth.

You just keep showing your ignorance.
 
What's the matter, the thinker can't find any data to support his position?


Only one reason for that, the data does not exist, but a little common sense used it's easy to see.
At least I have shown you positions to support the data.. The price you pay for that piece of paper is not worth what they are charging in many or most cases. It was worth it years ago in many cases.


Ok, I'm done with this. You've clearly shown you have no idea of what you're talking about; no sense in trying to change your mind with facts. Have fun burying your head in the sand and whining about nothing.
 
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What's the matter, the thinker can't find any data to support his position?


Only one reason for that, the data does not exist, but a little common sense used it's easy to see.
At least I have shown you positions to support the data.. The price you pay for that piece of paper is not worth what they are charging in many or most cases. It was worth it years ago in many cases.


Ok, I'm done with this. You've clearly shown you have no idea of what you're talking about; no sense in trying to change your mind with facts. Have fun burying your head in the sand and whining about nothing.

The data exists. It's right in the database you keep posting. Look at what those high-paid professors do. Let me know what you find out.
 
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Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.''

That's 1000 to many!

''About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.''

Very few should make 100k, I don't think you get it, kids can't pay the amount of money back with the jobs they will get when they are done with college. One thing I hate doing is educating a teacher using common sense. Get some uneducated smuck like me to do the paper work for all those grants, fire the ones that are way over paid. Send the kids out early to doctors offices, law offices or whatever field they choose to learn what they really need to know, college is massive scam now. Still love me some Canes football though, lol.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57555780/student-loan-debt-nears-$1-trillion-is-it-the-new-subprime/

They can't afford to pay it back because the jobs don't pay enough, that means the education is not worth what they are charging, higher paid teachers and the rest of the scammers need to take big cuts. That effects the whole economy down the road, if they have bad credit they cant buy that teachers big house when they want to downsize, ect.



Oh. and fast, here's another thing.

Look at that database of salaries you posted. There are over 52k records there, 52k faculty members university employees listed there.

Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.

About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.

Faculty salaries are not the problem.


No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

I've told you over and over again that the high-paid professors are med-school profs and science researchers who are tops in their field and bring in millions of dollars in grants to their universities, as well as millions of dollars of industry to the state of FLA.

You're acting as though the contribute nothing, which couldn't be further from the truth.

You just keep showing your ignorance.

And I told you that you don't need some over paid professor to make out paper work so they can get grant money for their college. They contribute something, the debt of the next generation they are ripping off. Retiring with massive pensions, drop scams, sick time scams,ect off the backs of others. I know what I call these type of people, but it would be scrambled anyway.
 
What a funny thinker you are. lol

What's the matter, the thinker can't find any data to support his position?


Only one reason for that, the data does not exist, but a little common sense used it's easy to see.
At least I have shown you positions to support the data.. The price you pay for that piece of paper is not worth what they are charging in many or most cases. It was worth it years ago in many cases.


Ok, I'm done with this. You've clearly shown you have no idea of what you're talking about; no sense in trying to change your mind with facts. Have fun burying your head in the sand and whining about nothing.

The data exists. It's right in the database you keep posting. Look at what those high-paid professors do. Let me know what you find out.
 
''
Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.''

That's 1000 to many!

''About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.''

Very few should make 100k, I don't think you get it, kids can't pay the amount of money back with the jobs they will get when they are done with college. One thing I hate doing is educating a teacher using common sense. Get some uneducated smuck like me to do the paper work for all those grants, fire the ones that are way over paid. Send the kids out early to doctors offices, law offices or whatever field they choose to learn what they really need to know, college is massive scam now. Still love me some Canes football though, lol.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57555780/student-loan-debt-nears-$1-trillion-is-it-the-new-subprime/

They can't afford to pay it back because the jobs don't pay enough, that means the education is not worth what they are charging, higher paid teachers and the rest of the scammers need to take big cuts. That effects the whole economy down the road, if they have bad credit they cant buy that teachers big house when they want to downsize, ect.



Oh. and fast, here's another thing.

Look at that database of salaries you posted. There are over 52k records there, 52k faculty members university employees listed there.

Of that 52k, less than 1,000 of them make more than $200k/yr. That's less than 2% of all faculty and employees.

About another 3500 make between 100k and 200k. That means that less than 10% of all university faculty and employees make more than 100k.

Faculty salaries are not the problem.


No, you're the one who doesn't get it.

I've told you over and over again that the high-paid professors are med-school profs and science researchers who are tops in their field and bring in millions of dollars in grants to their universities, as well as millions of dollars of industry to the state of FLA.

You're acting as though the contribute nothing, which couldn't be further from the truth.

You just keep showing your ignorance.
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Another thing, if they are all bringing in so many million for each professor, why do they still have to rape the kids beyond belief dollar wise? You would think they would be able to go to school for free with all the money they're bringing in, lol. Your up thinker!
 
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