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I value Coach Macho's opinion, but when this veered into "Process," "Brick by Brick," blaming player work ethic and the inevitable "Guys who've never done it...," I'm calling Coaching-speak BS

Ever been at WAR? How about getting deployed for the first time in a relatively new military speciality right into Iraq, 2003-2004. Come from a combat-oriented speciality with one war and two expeditionary confliscts under my belt. I'm advance team, have to learn what a previous team did, then find all their shortcomings. My "team" comes in and they are (with one exception) from different commands, with different experiance levels and knowledge, mostly very young and in their first war. Some have poor attitudes, some are homesick, and everyone has different levels of fear (yes, even multiple war vets have fear). Do I go to the commander and talk about it being "a process" to get these mostly 19-24 year olds to work as a "team?" Do I tell them I have to build "brick by brick" and that I need time to change the culture? **** NO, We have a mission to do. Easier than football? Yeah sure, lots of LIVES on the line, not first downs. You cajole, you yell, you let them cry in your shoulder...In other words, you LEAD. You will be amazed how much you can get done when you work day and night to discover new talent, bring in new ideas and concepts (and people to teach them when necessary) and gain success out of adversity.

Sorry, I realize the limitations a HS program has compared to D1, but having dealt with inept HS coaches and hearing these same spiels over an over, my belief is that it's like the rest of our public school system: Overpaid and unaccountable for the results produced.
 
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Appreciate the post, Beardy, but the culture doesn't look bad here. The players are playing hard. I haven't noticed that "I don't give a ****" approach we've seen here before. And I haven't noticed guys checking out.

Unfortunately, this garbage can quickly feed on itself, and guy's who were buying in will check back out if they feel like they're playing their guts out but not being put in the best spot to succeed.

I don't know what the talent level was that you inherited, but the talent Rick inherited on offense was good enough to put up far better results than he has. He's not getting the job done for whatever reason. It's a results business, and the results on his side of the ball really suck.

Not like he's facing your 85 Bears either. He got stoned by 2 ****** defenses and didn't do much with GT either.
 
I dont understand the "these guys didnt forget how to coach" thing. Jon Richt, Hartley, Brown.....the entire offensive staff outside of WR/OL has no business in the positions they are in for one. Secondly, Searles has been a mediocre coach his entire career. And finally, Mark Richt WAS FIRED BC HE ISNT A GOOD ENOUGH COACH. He was fired from a program that doesn't sniff our pedigree. And we took their garbage and handed it a 4 million a year retirement.
 
Coach, I am a believer in following rules, doing what is required and getting the job done. Bench or cut players who do not do what is required -- no problem at all. BUT the coaches need to be held to same rule. Their job is to WIN not just insist things be done THEIR way. Mark has failed so far. He is in charge and ti is therefore his fault -- whatever the reason it is his fault. Coker could have won another NC if he had only realized that Berlin NEEDED to be in shotgun not under center. I do not like the shotgun but that was the only QB he had. He didn't make the change. Kaaya is not a problem player but Mark has clearly not done well for him. Don't you think Mark has to make a move to fix there problem, or should he be Golden and insist his way is the only way? We have a HC, OC, QB and Oline coaches. The problem seems to be somewhere in there -- who should he fire this morning?

See here is THE PROCESS -- Mark has already loss huge part of fan base because we have seen this act before. He loses couple more games, we stew but a couple little requiting successes placate us until the rubber hits the road again next year. By middle of season, the planes start flying. That is the process. Win or get fired. Mark was the win now pick. If we have to wait three or four years then hire Butch and wait for the 30 1st rounders to accumulate and his coaching will not matter so much.
 
If any former, current, or wanna be arm chair coach thinks Richt needs a break they are not very smart.. We have the talent to beat UNC and fsu by two touch downs.. The fact is Richt is in over his head trying to play head coach and OC.. He is calling basic bull**** plays, because he or his little assistant puppets don't know how to read a defense.. Much less he has no balls as every one else has mentioned.. He actually looks like he has no idea what the fck he's doing when he is on the side line.. You get coached like ****, you play like ****!!! That's a fact!!
 
Coach Macho said:
nystateofmind said:
Coach Macho said:
Guys who've never done it...

Always have the answers.
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See this is just an **** response. "I'm a coach and I've done it and you guys are just message board posters".

Yes, I'm just a message board poster. But I've been watching football since I was 5 years old and been a hardcore fan since I was 10. I know what good football is and I know what bad football is.

The offense that Mark Richt puts on the field is not good football. No matter how you slice it.
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You might know what it looks like but you don't know what it takes to get there. That's my point.

It's not a d!ck response, it's a truthful response. I only say that because we have to deal with this same stuff from our fans every week. And the **** that they say is always way off base and completely clueless. Their opinions on our players is always wayyyyy off.

I'm not saying it to be condescending. It just is what it is.
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You know what your team is all about because you're with them every day and coach them. So you're definitely better situated than the fans of that team to know what your players can do and what their attitudes and approach are.

However, you don't really know anything more about UM and the players and their approach than any other fan because you're not there. You're just using generalities to attempt to draw a parallel between your team, which you know intimately, and UM's team, which you don't know.
 
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PCBcanefan said:
Everyone says we have the talent. When have we seen the talent in any big time games? Coley, Corn, a TE or two. We have talent for mediocre games, not big time games. I have see more drops this year than I can even remember all of last year. Most of the drops there is no excuse. Rain..... I don't care if it is raining, that's your one job is to catch the ball. Most of the drops we have seen had nothing to do with weather. It's like they gave up on the ball.

I'm with the OP, this isn't a Lamborghini that all Richt had to do was shine up, it is a broken down hoopty that needs complete rebuilding.
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Exactly this.

Players have to go out and make plays. 2nd weak in a row Coley was locked down. Now sure some of these guys are NFL caliber players but on this board ppl act like these guys are top 5 picks and the best at their position.

I watched Williams from Clemson in the game before go out and make insane catches with defenders all over him. When guys are making plays coaches and QBs look better and smarter.

Greg McElroy said something interesting yesterday. He said he thought Gene Chizik is a better defensive coach than Nick Saban. When the broadcast guy challenged him on it, he rebuted him saying "Not everyone has Nick Saban's players."

Now obviously Nick Saban is a great coach but finding the right players with the right DNA is more important that just having a great scheme.

Clemson and Ohio State don't have some great scheme. They run jet sweeps, bubble screens, options and verts. That isn't rocket science they just have playmakers who win a good amount of their 1v1s.
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Does James Madison or Illinois have better players than we do? Because they scored more against UNC's horrible defense than we did.
 
CaneFan79 said:
I value Coach Macho's opinion, but when this veered into "Process," "Brick by Brick," blaming player work ethic and the inevitable "Guys who've never done it...," I'm calling Coaching-speak BS

Ever been at WAR? How about getting deployed for the first time in a relatively new military speciality right into Iraq, 2003-2004. Come from a combat-oriented speciality with one war and two expeditionary confliscts under my belt. I'm advance team, have to learn what a previous team did, then find all their shortcomings. My "team" comes in and they are (with one exception) from different commands, with different experiance levels and knowledge, mostly very young and in their first war. Some have poor attitudes, some are homesick, and everyone has different levels of fear (yes, even multiple war vets have fear). Do I go to the commander and talk about it being "a process" to get these mostly 19-24 year olds to work as a "team?" Do I tell them I have to build "brick by brick" and that I need time to change the culture? **** NO, We have a mission to do. Easier than football? Yeah sure, lots of LIVES on the line, not first downs. You cajole, you yell, you let them cry in your shoulder...In other words, you LEAD. You will be amazed how much you can get done when you work day and night to discover new talent, bring in new ideas and concepts (and people to teach them when necessary) and gain success out of adversity.

Sorry, I realize the limitations a HS program has compared to D1, but having dealt with inept HS coaches and hearing these same spiels over an over, my belief is that it's like the rest of our public school system: Overpaid and unaccountable for the results produced.
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Huh? I've "been to war" and can't figure out the point you're making.

Plenty of soldiers don't perform well in combat; even the U.S. Army estimates that about 30% of soldiers don't fire their weapon in their first combat. However, often they don't survive and what you aee left with is battle tested vets who can perform, and you just get a bunch of new soldiers to repeat the process.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with the players we have. We will sink or swim with them until we get better talent. Even though our defense is playing well, do you think these players are up to normal UM standards? I watched the OSU/Wisconsin game last night and the talent both teams had on the defensive side of the ball is way better than what we have. The talent gap on the offensive side was even greater. Coaching can help offset this, but we aren't anywhere near ready to be a top ten team.
 
JASONCOEM said:
If any former, current, or wanna be arm chair coach thinks Richt needs a break they are not very smart.. We have the talent to beat UNC and fsu by two touch downs.. The fact is Richt is in over his head trying to play head coach and OC.. He is calling basic bull**** plays, because he or his little assistant puppets don't know how to read a defense.. Much less he has no balls as every one else has mentioned.. He actually looks like he has no idea what the fck he's doing when he is on the side line.. You get coached like ****, you play like ****!!! That's a fact!!
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Agreed. And we need someone in the booth who knows what he's looking at If Richt just has to call plays.
 
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AtrainCane said:
JASONCOEM said:
If any former, current, or wanna be arm chair coach thinks Richt needs a break they are not very smart.. We have the talent to beat UNC and fsu by two touch downs.. The fact is Richt is in over his head trying to play head coach and OC.. He is calling basic bull**** plays, because he or his little assistant puppets don't know how to read a defense.. Much less he has no balls as every one else has mentioned.. He actually looks like he has no idea what the fck he's doing when he is on the side line.. You get coached like ****, you play like ****!!! That's a fact!!
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Agreed. And we need someone in the booth who knows what he's looking at If Richt just has to call plays.
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Where do we have better talent? You wouldn't rather have FSUs roster?
 
It's not lack of talent on either side of the ball outside of the the cornerbacks after elder and the oline. Richt schemes is the biggest reason we have played poorly the past 2 games. On top of that kaaya missing too many throws and having poor pocket presence
 
Well you're playing the "it's coaching" game, so go position by position and tell me who you would pick on our team over FSU right now.
 
Yes we aren't going to have a great offense this year with the OL and kayaa, but I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't be THIS bad. We returned almost everyone on offense and have regressed A LOT.

Coley got much more out of kayaa, and he sucks as an OC too.
 
DiegoCane said:
Big difference between HS players and guys recruited to play D1 football at a Power 5 program. More then enough talent to win games.

In fact, we see what a coaching can do for a side of the ball (defense). They start 3 TR FR LBs and have limited talent in the secondary and are by far a better unit then the offense. An offense that returned 10 starters, has 2 NFL TEs, 2 NFL WRs, competent RBs, and a QB who was a 1st round pick going into the season by pretty much every draft projection.
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I'm a little late chiming in on this but here are my two cents.

I agree that we have more than enough talent to perform better offensively. But as I replay yesterday (and last week), I'm convinced that our biggest issue is we couldn't execute consistently. Our breakdowns were across the board, not just at QB. Even on the simplest dumbed-down play. As a team we're not mentally tough and know how to win.

I get the sense when they go back to the drawing board each week, they spend more time breaking bad habits than they do reinforcing good habits or installing a game plan. When it's this deeply ingrained, it takes time to get the repetitions to commit their actions to muscle memory so they're not mentally distracted. It's as if it doesn't matter what game plan we install, we're still not going to execute. In this situation, there's unfortunately no quick answers.

Wasn't it Michael Irvin that said discipline was being tired, in the forth quarter, on the road, down by a touchdown, in a loud stadium where you can't hear the call, and not jumping off-sides. That takes the mental discipline that currently we lack. And until we achieve it, be prepared to see more of the same.
 
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All I know is we are witnessing some of the worst play calling we've ever seen. Richt's offensive scheme is absolute hot garbage.
 
Nopain said:
AtrainCane said:
JASONCOEM said:
If any former, current, or wanna be arm chair coach thinks Richt needs a break they are not very smart.. We have the talent to beat UNC and fsu by two touch downs.. The fact is Richt is in over his head trying to play head coach and OC.. He is calling basic bull**** plays, because he or his little assistant puppets don't know how to read a defense.. Much less he has no balls as every one else has mentioned.. He actually looks like he has no idea what the fck he's doing when he is on the side line.. You get coached like ****, you play like ****!!! That's a fact!!
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Agreed. And we need someone in the booth who knows what he's looking at If Richt just has to call plays.
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Where do we have better talent? You wouldn't rather have FSUs roster?
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We have the talent to beat them by 10 this year.
 
Coach Macho said:
DiegoCane said:
I like most your posts, this one is full of excuses. Reminds me of your Dorito posts, you seem to blame players/other areas over coaches for lack of team success, perhaps because you are a coach.

Also laugh at not having enough talent to beat a mediocre FSU or UNC at home. Or score more then 19 and 13 points vs horrible defenses. This team went 8-5 last year with the most incompetent staff I've ever seen, we are headed for the same or worse. That is with returning 10 starters on O and having the D be light years ahead of where they were last year.

And yes it has happened. * went 6-7 in 2011, hired Urban and went 12-0 in 2012.
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Excuses? How do you decipher between excuses and legitimate REASONS?

I blame coaches plenty. I blamed Golden's staff for a ton of ****. I blame high school coaches on a regular basis. However, I have trouble blaming a guy that I've seen succeed. That was the whole point of using the analogy of my HC versus Richt. (both of which are struggling right now despite success in the past)

And surely we're not expecting Richt to be Urban Meyer are we? The best coach in football? We're not expecting that from Richt. That's an anomaly.
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I know what you're making reference to with Meyer going undefeated his first year at Ohio St.

Note: Ohio St. under the decade that they had Tressel had a top notch program and were constantly in top 5 status. The one year between Meyer and Tressel, they went 7-6 I believe. The culture and talent were already in place for Meyer to build off of. This isn't what Nick Saban had to deal with his first year at Bama where Shula ran that program to the ground.

The playcalling on offense has been questionable, but Richt's used to having a solid O-line in place, which Golden brought on a lot of dead weight in that area. Also, Berrios and Lewis shouldn't be seeing the field; given WR depth it's understandable why. And yeah, the very first play of the game watching Malcom Lewis catch the ball out of bounds to the 3-yard line was a microcosm of the last season as we have to start weeding out some of these kids. I feel like that play set the tone for the game quite honestly.
 
The one thing that stands out in all of these threads is how most of the posters think the game is played like a video game. They'll say the middle of the field was open all day, not understanding why that is. They'll say so and so shouldn't be returning kicks or this guy should be playing, not having been at practice. They'll use one run, Walton's badass run that was called back against FSU to prop one running back over the other when it isn't even the norm.

Fact is, there is a team on the other side with coaches who are compensated well to stop your team from doing what it wants to. You run some plays, they adjust, and the back and the chess match goes on. They'll throw players and coaches under the bus, saying Dorsey or whomever should be brought in as a replacement not knowing anything about how they actually coach....not the **** you see in a game.

It's obvious Richt doesn't have the QB to do what he wants to offensively. If I was guessing what he's doing is not completely abandoning what the future holds, but sacrificing some this year for that future. His offense is far from perfect, but we've been in a position to win against our two best opponents so far. A guy with average scrambling ability and we possibly win the last two. Then again, if we had that, teams would play is differently.
 
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