1-gap 3-4

[jw410]

He can be talking when we go 1 gap on passing downs, but watch the minute we get burned on a play coach D will go back in his shell and do the same sh¡t we have been seeing for years

I heard they sent coach D to visit the Pats! I don't care if he visited Matt Patricia! I expect to see a better coach than the previous year. Hopefully Al went up there too and had a sit down with Bill and learned about a winning culture.

 

[Grisha.Otrepyev]

OP is clearly an uninformed troll but he got 1 thing right - Perryman is poor in coverage and it will be his downfall in the NFL (increasingly pass-oriented league). Even a blind squirrel will find the occasional nut though.

Windbag tools like McShay & Mayock think Perryman is a 1st rounder but that doesn't make it a consensus. Most of the draft analysts on the internet agree that Perryman is overrated and should be an early day 3 pick. There's a place for him in the NFL because he excels at attacking downhill so 3-4 teams will like him as a thumper, but LBs who can't cover have very limited value. Same thing goes for Benardrick McKinney who is being touted as a top prospect by the mainstream draft guys while everyone else agrees his lack of movement skills limit his value as an off-LOS LB.

I just don't get why Canes fans are so attached to Perryman. He made some highlight plays but if he was so great why did our defense suck during his whole career? Go watch the Wake Forest film from 2013, compare it to any game film from Eric Kendricks or Shaq Thompson, and then try to tell me Perryman is a 1st round talent. Kendricks' instincts & twitchy athleticism makes Perryman look like Michael Wyche in comparison.

What a clown dumping on Perryman. Golden blew the guy up too much. He'd be a major beast at 230-235, instead of 245-250. Our stupid tactics on defense reflected bad on everyone. We have no QB pressure, who the **** looks good on passes in that situation?

Perryman wanted to put that weight on, NFL coaches asked him to take some off and he refused. He wants to be stocky and slow apparently just so he can maintain his thumper reputation. Style over substance type of player...

Nice try blaming the coaches for Perryman's coverage issues. It's not the coaches' job to redirect in coverage and find receivers in your zone. Perryman covers grass in a standstill. I hate our coaches more than anyone but you can't blame them for the limitations of a prospect. Perryman had every opportunity to prove he was a complete LB in the Grohlden system, but he failed.

Former NFL scout and current NFL Network draft guru Daniel Jeremiah has given a thumbs down to this year’s linebackers class.

In a post-Combine podcast, Jeremiah talked about how “inside linebacker not a very good position,” and he projects none to be first round picks.

Jeremiah is down on Miami middle linebacker Denzel Perryman, who he said looked slow and sluggish through the NFL Scouting Combine field work and checked in under 5 feet 11 inches.

“You better be able to match up against tight ends and backs,” Jeremiah said, in a discussion about the role of linebacker evolving in a passing league.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Please elaborate on the rest of the scouting community, that you seem to know quite well, who doesn't think Perryman is a stud LB worthy of day 1 consideration (they all mentioned his pass coverage technique needs developing FWIW). If you can't cite actual sources to back up your bull**** claims GTFO of here u POS moron.

There was an article on NFL.com (stock rising or falling?) where they mentioned Perrymen underwhelmed at the combine. His height and stiffness in drills were a concern. The guy said he is a solid day 2 pick though. He is likely going in round 2, but there are real concerns that he isn't a 3 down LB.

STRENGTHS Burly, stout, old-school linebacker build. Wants to hit and brings his pads with him when he delivers a blow. Delivers a jarring punch into oncoming offensive linemen on second level. Defends his area of turf and sees past blockers, keeping his eye trained on the play. Is able to disengage and shed blockers. Plays low and with leverage. Once he diagnoses, can trigger into gaps and disrupt. Expected to be productive special-teams player at the next level.

WEAKNESSES Not a twitchy athlete. Takes time to gear up after changing directions and can struggle to tackle jitterbug runners in space. Heavy-legged mover in space and struggles to make plays outside of his assigned area. Lacks coverage traits and is a liability in man coverage. Short levers won't allow him to leverage blockers as a pass rusher. Slow to get off his spot and burst laterally, which causes him to miss some tackle opportunities.

SOURCES TELL US "He's physical and plays angry at the point of attack. He's the type of guy you like having on your team because he brings toughness to practice. He's going to lay the wood to ball carriers when he gets a chance but college teams were already finding ways to go after him in the passing game." -- AFC East regional scout

"I have a little higher grade on Perryman than I probably should, but we like thumpers and badasses inside and he's both." -- AFC director of scouting

NFL COMPARISON D'Qwell Jackson

BOTTOM LINE Early down linebacker who can make plays against the run but will struggle if isolated in coverage. Perryman is a lunch-pail worker who enjoys the physical part of the game. Can be a highly productive NFL player but ceiling looks to be limited.

 

[nycane]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

he sounded confused because he said it was the same but then said "its not like 2 gap"

 

[Samson Doyo]

more agggresive because we don't have those slow players like chick and denzel "i can't cover a FB" perryman.

armbrister was downright AWFUL.

this defense is going to straight up SHUT UP people this year you will see. We just need to replace that hack Jamal Carter who couldn't tackle an offensive lineman if he had too.

You're disgusting

deal with it. for all the nuthugging of DP, he was downright terrible in pass coverage. AWFUL. for this reason alone i cannot see him as a nfl starter.

Mrs. Golden that is terrible language. I'm appalled. Go Canes!

 

[SC-Cane]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

he sounded confused because he said it was the same but then said "its not like 2 gap"

And didn't you hear him say same scheme but it's tweaked? He said they tell me to just get off the ball and not worry about two gapping you missed that part? And he said he feel he has a lil less responsibility because he only has his gap to worry about but we will see what happens when the season starts

 

[GCane305]

Thank god, that 2 gap scheme on the d-line neglected the pass rush. Now Chad and them can attack in 1 gap, finally.

We will definitely see more sacks and havoc from that front 7.

 

[canesbaby]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

Exactly. The Canes defense was just ranked 14th or 15th in total defense last season. Why in the world does anybody think they're actually going to change anything when Al Golden has these stats to point to? In his mind, things are working perfectly even when linebackers are 5 yards off the LOS on 4th and 1 (or 4th and goal) and Nebraska is still running up and down the field on us. Sure, there will be little tweaks here and there which us regular fans won't even recognize but there's no way in **** he's going to change his defensive philosophy when he thinks it's working so well.

 

[brock]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

He definitely said they are on working getting off and not worrying about 2 gap responsibilities and are going to attack anything that comes in the gap... Which is what 1 gap is

 

[SC-Cane]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

He definitely said they are on working getting off and not worrying about 2 gap responsibilities and are going to attack anything that comes in the gap... Which is what 1 gap is

They all decided to ignore that part tho but like I said we will see what happens when the season starts

 

[LuCane]

I will believe it is a central part of what we do when I see it. For what it's worth, we haven't exclusively 2-gapped here under Golden.

 

[GCane305]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

He definitely said they are on working getting off and not worrying about 2 gap responsibilities and are going to attack anything that comes in the gap... Which is what 1 gap is

Bingo.



Every offseason, defensive coordinators around the NFL promise that their defense will be more aggressive and look to get more sacks and turnovers. But rarely do they actually change their schemes drastically to do so. One of Jay Gruden’s biggest challenges when he took the Redskins job was improving a below-par defense. Instead of hiring someone new, he stuck by Jim Haslett, who he had worked with previously.

The Redskins, you may recall, blamed their defensive woes on Mike Shanahan for interfering too much. Gruden will allow Haslett much more control. The Redskins’ defense will continue to use a 3-4 base front, but will look to utilize more 1-gap principles than the 2-gap principles that are typically associated with 3-4 defenses. How much will actually change remains to be seen.




Above is a traditional 2-gap 3-4 front. Nose tackle Barry Cofield is lined up directly over the center and is responsible for the A gaps on either side. The two defensive ends, in this case Stephen Bowen and Kedric Golston, line up over the tackles, or slightly shaded inside. They are playing as 5-technique defensive ends that have to cover the gaps on either side of their respective tackle. The outside linebackers are asked to play contain on the tight end’s side (Ryan Kerrigan in the picture above) and have to cover the cutback if they are on the weak side of the play, as Brian Orakpo is above.

With every gap covered by the defensive line and outside linebackers, the inside linebackers are able to read and react to the play, filling in where they see fit. But as both guards are left uncovered, the inside linebackers are left vulnerable to being blocked by guards who reach them on the second level.

The advantage to this scheme is that the defense can cover more gaps with fewer players, making it more difficult for the offense to run the ball. However, defenders in this scheme have to be strict and patient. They have to wait and read the direction of the play before they commit to their actions. That extra second needed to read and react slows down the pass rush, making it easier for the offensive line in pass protection.





Above is a 3-4 Under scheme. Wade Phillips, father of Redskins tight ends coach Wes Phillips, used this scheme in Dallas and as defensive coordinator of the Texans. It’s a 1-gap scheme that allows the defense to be much more aggressive from the snap. Each defender is assigned one gap and can attack that gap straight from the snap without as much reading and reacting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ap-principles-on-the-redskins-defensive-line/

 

[freeman84]

I don't care who is the coach as long as we win and if we get pressure on the qb the secondary looks 10xs better. Look at that trash at Florida 2 years back.

 

[AUcane]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

He definitely said they are on working getting off and not worrying about 2 gap responsibilities and are going to attack anything that comes in the gap... Which is what 1 gap is

You completely ignored what he said before that. He said it was the same scheme. Whether or not they are working on firing up the gap and getting off at the snap is irrelevant. I am sure they are working on those facets of the game just like they were last year. Our defense is what it is. We have over four years of proof of that

 

[fincane]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

He definitely said they are on working getting off and not worrying about 2 gap responsibilities and are going to attack anything that comes in the gap... Which is what 1 gap is

You completely ignored what he said before that. He said it was the same scheme. Whether or not they are working on firing up the gap and getting off at the snap is irrelevant. I am sure they are working on those facets of the game just like they were last year. Our defense is what it is. We have over four years of proof of that

The defense in year 4 isn't the same as it was in year 1. They've changed it. Just not for the better. Self scouting and common sense should tell them that there personnel would be best suited to getting up the field and using athlectism to cause havoc. Not sure the decision makers have any sense though.

 

[MarcoD70]

He can be talking when we go 1 gap on passing downs, but watch the minute we get burned on a play coach D will go back in his shell and do the same sh¡t we have been seeing for years

I heard they sent coach D to visit the Pats! I don't care if he visited Matt Patricia! I expect to see a better coach than the previous year. Hopefully Al went up there too and had a sit down with Bill and learned about a winning culture.

Maybe we'll see Golden in a tattered hoodie this year.....or Dorito wearin his hat backwards like Patricia. He can be like George Costanza when he met Elaines bf Tony...the "mimbo"

 

[fivecent]

Well looks like everybody's getting what they been waiting for http://youtu.be/EJF5ZO-hnoU

lol, he never said anything about a 1 gap 3-4. Didn't you hear him? He said it's the same scheme. Yeah, they're working on some pass rushing and being aggressive but this is the same defense. Nothing is changing.

He definitely said they are on working getting off and not worrying about 2 gap responsibilities and are going to attack anything that comes in the gap... Which is what 1 gap is

Bingo.



Every offseason, defensive coordinators around the NFL promise that their defense will be more aggressive and look to get more sacks and turnovers. But rarely do they actually change their schemes drastically to do so. One of Jay Gruden’s biggest challenges when he took the Redskins job was improving a below-par defense. Instead of hiring someone new, he stuck by Jim Haslett, who he had worked with previously.

The Redskins, you may recall, blamed their defensive woes on Mike Shanahan for interfering too much. Gruden will allow Haslett much more control. The Redskins’ defense will continue to use a 3-4 base front, but will look to utilize more 1-gap principles than the 2-gap principles that are typically associated with 3-4 defenses. How much will actually change remains to be seen.


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Above is a traditional 2-gap 3-4 front. Nose tackle Barry Cofield is lined up directly over the center and is responsible for the A gaps on either side. The two defensive ends, in this case Stephen Bowen and Kedric Golston, line up over the tackles, or slightly shaded inside. They are playing as 5-technique defensive ends that have to cover the gaps on either side of their respective tackle. The outside linebackers are asked to play contain on the tight end’s side (Ryan Kerrigan in the picture above) and have to cover the cutback if they are on the weak side of the play, as Brian Orakpo is above.

With every gap covered by the defensive line and outside linebackers, the inside linebackers are able to read and react to the play, filling in where they see fit. But as both guards are left uncovered, the inside linebackers are left vulnerable to being blocked by guards who reach them on the second level.

The advantage to this scheme is that the defense can cover more gaps with fewer players, making it more difficult for the offense to run the ball. However, defenders in this scheme have to be strict and patient. They have to wait and read the direction of the play before they commit to their actions. That extra second needed to read and react slows down the pass rush, making it easier for the offensive line in pass protection.


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Above is a 3-4 Under scheme. Wade Phillips, father of Redskins tight ends coach Wes Phillips, used this scheme in Dallas and as defensive coordinator of the Texans. It’s a 1-gap scheme that allows the defense to be much more aggressive from the snap. Each defender is assigned one gap and can attack that gap straight from the snap without as much reading and reacting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ap-principles-on-the-redskins-defensive-line/

great post.

I think we have the personnel to do both. 2-gap the nose and maybe one of the de and 1-gap everywhere else. Providing that makes any sense.

 

[kev13108]

more agggresive because we don't have those slow players like chick and denzel "i can't cover a FB" perryman.

armbrister was downright AWFUL.

this defense is going to straight up SHUT UP people this year you will see. We just need to replace that hack Jamal Carter who couldn't tackle an offensive lineman if he had too.

Al it's one thing to bash ur own players in a post game interview but this... This has just gotten out of control. C'mon al pull urslef together.

 

[Sabetta]

I will believe it is a central part of what we do when I see it. For what it's worth, we haven't exclusively 2-gapped here under Golden.

This.

 

[Klamalama]

more agggresive because we don't have those slow players like chick and denzel "i can't cover a FB" perryman.

armbrister was downright AWFUL.

this defense is going to straight up SHUT UP people this year you will see. We just need to replace that hack Jamal Carter who couldn't tackle an offensive lineman if he had too.

Al it's one thing to bash ur own players in a post game interview but this... This has just gotten out of control. C'mon al pull urslef together.

Just add him to the SLURPER list, otherwise known as the Ignore list.

 

[Cribby]

Mods....we have an *** on the loose in this thread . Bashing players isn't cool.