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Prime example is LeBron. "I put on for the LAND". Yet he has left the "LAND" twice

It's not about keeping all of them, we need to get our share though. We haven't been doing that lately at all. As far as the 5 star talent goes, I think we have only landed around 26 of them since around 2000. The good majority of those did little to nothing while here. This narrative that...

That was my whole point in saying that five of them were coachable traits.

Exactly, we recruited at a high level in the early 2000s because we were winning and getting players drafted. Bags were just as prevalent then as they are now. If someone wants to tell me that bags is all that matters then I can assure you Kentucky will be a the next Bama because they can pay...

You're original post I quoted was saying that we cant win because of bags. Im just saying that bags shouldn't matter when playing the schools that I listed but we lose to them anyway. My point is we have to start by winning

The ones we missed pretty much all signed in February after we had lost 3 games in a row in pretty pitiful fashion. One season isn't going to do it. It will take a few years to really change the perception and culture around this program.

I don't know what his rationale was for committing but he was a Soph. at the time. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he loved the school at the time and was loving the idea of staying home and playing for his city. Then he starts meeting with other coaches and they start showing...

Look I get it, but it we can't beat Duke, UNC, Pitt, Ga. Tech, Virginia and Virginia Tech on a regular basis. What's the unfair advantage they have over us?

Here's the thing, the bag game isn't some new phenomenon that started when Saban rolled into Alabama. It had been going on forever and was happening in Miami the same as it is now. We had a trump card for many years. We offered the kids down here a place they could play in front of their...

You can say that about Nebraska too though. Kentucky is a whole different ball game than SoFla, you can’t even compare the two

And you think they weren’t camping out here then?

This makes zero sense but it is a mythical idea that gets paraded around as a fact. They still have to put in the work. Maybe even more so because they have someone behind them just as talented. We were pulling in top kids in the early 2000s and it assured us nothing. We got one title out of it...

I’m not sure where I called them ignorant but whatever fits your narrative I suppose. I’m just saying that while you and I know the reasons why JJ wasn’t drafted as high as many were claiming he would be, especially after his freshman year, a HS kid isn’t going to be examining why JJ was drafted...

Recruiters have been pounding south fl since the beginning of time as well. So how come we could keep kids like Willie Williams, Kenny Phillips, Charlie Jones, Bobby Washington, Tyrone Moss, Andre Johnson and Devin Hester

Here is my problem with this argument. You say kids go to Clemson and Bama for the “easy” path. Isn’t that what the kids in the early 2000s classes were doing here? We were pulling kids from Cali, Texas, New Jersey and Louisiana. Recruits have been choosing schools for the same reasons for 25...

Do you think players were being bought in the late 90s early 2000s

I certainly think it’s the player in this case. But kids don’t think like the fans do. They have more in life to do than obsess over college players. All they see is a guy that was being hyped up after his freshman year as a first round pick only to be drafted in the 5th

They’re doing better than we are in both regards than we are they not?

You listed 9 weaknesses and five of them could’ve been developed while he was here

You’re missing the point. They are at least in contention. We have sucked. We’re not a good program and haven’t been. All these kids have seen from this team is failure