Upon Further Review- Miami vs. FSU (Offense)

Upon Further Review- Miami vs. FSU (Offense)

Lance Roffers
Lance Roffers

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But if the OL plays the way it does none of that matters. You can't get **** until you conquer the basics, and I think that's what holds back "Richt's playbook". That said, Richt does some **** blocking schemes like the play where we “trapped” their DT with Gauthier and pulled Brevin.

It's easy to say Richt needs to scheme things up, the way most lay people do, but after this meticulous breakdown where you demonstrate glaring repetitive execution errors by the OL that would limit any play-caller, I'm just surprised you'd fall back into the superficial motion/scheme/we need an OC narrative because every play doesn't work to perfection. It seems like the nature of "upon further review" is to gently show lay folk the nuances so they understand "execution will make most plays work".

Your argument works both ways. You're saying he can't open the playbook because execution on the OL is bad, but it's bad on the most basic of plays he runs as well. Wilson and Christmas for FSU were killing us up the middle yet Richt kept running at them. I think we were all begging for some off tackle runs especially at Burns who rushed up field every play.

And the "****" you're talking about: Do you think it's really **** to run a bubble screen? A simple rub route? Quick throws to get the ball out of Kosi's hands and neutralize the poor OL. We can acknowledge that both play calling and the execution were poor. They're not mutually exclusive.
 
Great job Lance. I think including your opinions added value to your breakdown, & I hope you continue doing it going forward.
 
Your argument works both ways. You're saying he can't open the playbook because execution on the OL is bad, but it's bad on the most basic of plays he runs as well. Wilson and Christmas for FSU were killing us up the middle yet Richt kept running at them. I think we were all begging for some off tackle runs especially at Burns who rushed up field every play.

And the "****" you're talking about: Do you think it's really **** to run a bubble screen? A simple rub route? Quick throws to get the ball out of Kosi's hands and neutralize the poor OL. We can acknowledge that both play calling and the execution were poor. They're not mutually exclusive.

Folks want to see what FSU and Slick Willy is doing. They also have a below average OL, actually worse than ours. Willy calls all kinds of creative plays and creative formations. Guess what happens? It gets blown da fuq up.

Execution wins football games.

Richt will roll out more stuff for Perry as the season goes along. This offense will look a lot different come ACCCG. Richt is no rookie, and knows how to bring a QB along.

Sit tight and enjoy the ride.
 
Great stuff. For those wondering about the announcer (Wischusen) throwing shade at the FSU purse, calling it Dora the Explorer, he used to live and work in Miami (WQAM) - canes fan from what I recall.

funny zagaki called it the purse and the dora the explorer bag during the game as well
 
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Great write up as usual, thanks for your hard work. I look forward to this every week. OL is obviously still our biggest concern and it's very concerning to regularly see our interior lineman get ragdolled by better DTs.

Good shout on the announcers, think Wischusen and Huard do a great job
 
But if the OL plays the way it does none of that matters. You can't get **** until you conquer the basics, and I think that's what holds back "Richt's playbook". That said, Richt does some **** blocking schemes like the play where we “trapped” their DT with Gauthier and pulled Brevin.

It's easy to say Richt needs to scheme things up, the way most lay people do, but after this meticulous breakdown where you demonstrate glaring repetitive execution errors by the OL that would limit any play-caller, I'm just surprised you'd fall back into the superficial motion/scheme/we need an OC narrative because every play doesn't work to perfection. It seems like the nature of "upon further review" is to gently show lay folk the nuances so they understand "execution will make most plays work".

The way my commentary is coming across to you is not the intended way. I am a firm believer that any good leader is looking to constantly grow and improve himself. Each leader has a core group of principles that guide them and you don't stray from those. As the saying goes, "Why would I set myself up for failure trying to be someone else when I could never be as good as that person, when I can be the best me and no one can ever be as good a version of me as me."

I am speaking to the evolution of his offense in a way that allows his already strong core principles to flourish even more. This isn't a referendum on his play calling. Hopefully, in my breakdowns I am showing how most plays would work if everyone did their job properly. But if Lincoln Riley has a concept that would work in our system, steal it. If Urban Meyer has a concept that would work in our system with our personnel, steal it. Your OL struggles, well, are there ways to scheme things easier for them? If so, steal it. The inside counter lead with a C trap on the DT is a nice example. I would've liked to see us run it again since it worked so well the first time. Flip side to that is always what happened to FSU. That middle TE screen worked great the first time. Not so much the second time.

My guess is that someone as smart as Mark Richt is already doing the things I'm referring to as far as learning and growing.

Thanks for the feedback and interaction.
 
They correctly picked the flag up for a horse collar on this play. It was jersey only and not the inside of the shoulder pads.

Am I reading NCAA Rule 9-15 wrong? It was updated after 2015 to include hands inside the jersey collar.


ARTICLE 15. Horse Collar Tackle

All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling the ball carrier down. This does not apply to a ball carrier, including a potential forward passer, who is inside the tackle box (Rule 2-34). Note that the tackle box disintegrates when the ball leaves it.
 
Am I reading NCAA Rule 9-15 wrong? It was updated after 2015 to include hands inside the jersey collar.


ARTICLE 15. Horse Collar Tackle

All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling the ball carrier down. This does not apply to a ball carrier, including a potential forward passer, who is inside the tackle box (Rule 2-34). Note that the tackle box disintegrates when the ball leaves it.

I interpreted it as him simply grabbing the jersey and pulling him down. This sure does seem to indicate that it should've been called though. I didn't have a problem with it, but FSU fans want to keep on whining this is more fuel against them.

I highlighted half a dozen plays where calls weren't made that easily should have been, so this can be another if this is the letter of the law. Thanks for posting.
 
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We only got one OL in 2016 - that was Richt's first year here. He had to salvage a recruiting class.

I think we've been a little light at OT the last couple of years, but if Scaife can play OT then that fixes a lot of those recruiting misses.

I've no idea how good Dykstra is - I'm not ready to write him off just yet.

Scaife playing OT helps, but we have no clear mauler at center and we are banking on winning a recruiting battle against Alabaga for an elite OL
But if the OL plays the way it does none of that matters. You can't get **** until you conquer the basics, and I think that's what holds back "Richt's playbook". That said, Richt does some **** blocking schemes like the play where we “trapped” their DT with Gauthier and pulled Brevin.

It's easy to say Richt needs to scheme things up, the way most lay people do, but after this meticulous breakdown where you demonstrate glaring repetitive execution errors by the OL that would limit any play-caller, I'm just surprised you'd fall back into the superficial motion/scheme/we need an OC narrative because every play doesn't work to perfection. It seems like the nature of "upon further review" is to gently show lay folk the nuances so they understand "execution will make most plays work".

The OL is being asked to do things they aren’t good at and they are being put in tough positions.
 
Everyone knows i believe in Richt until i see otherwise. I have a big criticism of him and he kinda rectify it towards the end of FSU game.

Everyone knows Brian Burns is a speed rusher, thats his whole game. He gets that edge on the Tackle whether Donaldson or St Louis, its disaster and we saw that alot. In the second half Richt started using Homer and Brevin to stay in to block and Perry had more time to throw. This should have been pre planned long before this game kicked off. Its Its inexcusable. We had a fumble sack v UNC St Louis getn dragged, we had a blind side sack v FIU, same thing. When we play VT and Clemson if we get there, we must force these teams to back up by going deep. We can beat any team with a 3 man route scheme. Leaving the TE in to block will force those speed rushers to go way wide which is How Brevin stonewalled Burns on the big 3rd and 10 to Jeff. On the Brevin TD Homer and Donaldson double teamed him and no one was even close to Perry. Against a team like Clemson if its not a quick pass 6 and 7 must stay in to block at all time. Help the OL. Use 6 OL if we have. This is where i need coaching to step up and help the players instead of complaining that we dont have McKinnie on scholly

That's one thing i keep giving Coley credit for, every time we played FSU, Kaaya lit them up. We used alot of 2 TE formations and max protection. And lest not forget FSU DL those days was what Clemson is now.

Now we probably have better personnel than Coley had in most areas from a talent standpoint if not experience.
 
It time to play young players because it getting into "can't get any worse" territory with MaHomey and Jones if not already there. Reed isn't good enough? Hillery isn't good enough? We keep hearing that our younger OL is really talented.. then why are we wasting their reps to guys who look like true freshman out there already? Jones and MaHomey are repeatedly beat and on their *** isn't that what you would expect out of a true freshman? Scaife looks like the most competent OL we have and he is a true freshman. We might as well start playing guys like Reed and Hillery who has been here a year so surely they have the size to play now.

I'm getting sick and tired of playing these underclassmen who look like true freshman. Why not just play the freshmen instead because at least they aren't limited and have the ability to be more. That also goes for every other position.
 
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It time to play young players because it getting into "can't get any worse" territory with MaHomey and Jones if not already there. Reed isn't good enough? Hillery isn't good enough? We keep hearing that our younger OL is really talented.. then why are we wasting their reps to guys who look like true freshman out there already? Jones and MaHomey are repeatedly beat and on their *** isn't that what you would expect out of a true freshman? Scaife looks like the most competent OL we have and he is a true freshman. We might as well start playing guys like Reed and Hillery who has been here a year so surely they have the size to play now.

I'm getting sick and tired of playing these underclassmen who look like true freshman. Why not just play the freshmen instead because at least they aren't limited and have the ability to be more. That also goes for every other position.

I'm guessing Richt and Searles would give the freshmen more significant snaps, IF they were ready and what not.
 
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But if the OL plays the way it does none of that matters. You can't get **** until you conquer the basics, and I think that's what holds back "Richt's playbook". That said, Richt does some **** blocking schemes like the play where we “trapped” their DT with Gauthier and pulled Brevin.

It's easy to say Richt needs to scheme things up, the way most lay people do, but after this meticulous breakdown where you demonstrate glaring repetitive execution errors by the OL that would limit any play-caller, I'm just surprised you'd fall back into the superficial motion/scheme/we need an OC narrative because every play doesn't work to perfection. It seems like the nature of "upon further review" is to gently show lay folk the nuances so they understand "execution will make most plays work".
Youve been an extremely vocal Richt supporter and defender since the beginning, so it’s not surprising to see you defend him again as if he’s near flawless. As I mentioned to you and others during his first year, the irony is he even admits he has to keep adjusting himself. And, he proves that by his subsequent actions.

There’s a reason even the best teams try to add something (and I’m not talking trick plays) on top of their base, ‘just execute’ offense.
The margin of error in college is different. Sure, if the OLinemen all do their job, the RB makes the right read, the QB understands pre and post snap and the WRs catch...voila! But, things breakdown a lot. QBs and OLs need help. WRs need an edge every once in a while. RBs miss blocks.

I don’t understand why some are so against accepting that Coach Richt knows a ridiculous amount (obviously more than everyone here combined) of offense, but chooses to be very straightforward. And, that the approach has its pros and cons.

If you’re a D-Coordinator, you typically rather face a mostly straightforward, predictable offensive approach than the alternative. Coach Richt adjusts, as I noted and he has mentioned himself. We’ve seen it. At this point, I think most reasonable posters just wonder why it takes so many steps and what the rationale might be around some of the delays in the adjustments. It’s fairly obvious incrementalism.

Coach Richt is a seemingly rational man. He seemingly always has a reason behind what he does. So, while there certainly is a reason, isn’t it fair - on a message board no less - to wonder why, as only one example, the G and RT situations are still being worked on halfway through the season when 80% of this board openly talked about it during Fall camp? There are many situations/scenarios that could have put that expected vulnerability to a much earlier test. And, that’s just one example.
 
Great tribute to AR82 at the end. Admittedly, I'm still saddened by his career ending injury. Beside the fact that him and JT4 would have been a sight to watch, I always got the sense that AR82 is a genuinely decent and hardworking human being.
 
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Great write up. On the first pass that was thrown behind Thomas that he didn’t catch. If the ball is out in front I think it’s a touchdown. There are 10 defenders in the picture. Which means once he catches it it’s just him and the high safety in the middle of the field and Jt can make any move he wants.
 
the one thing i'd like to see from the offense this year that was a staple previously is getting the ball in space to playmakers, esp outside via bubble screens. per bill connelly of sb nation/football outsiders' stats, we're 117th in the country in solo tackles forced, which is essentially a way of measuring how much you get the ball in space (more space = more solo tackles forced). that stat is not in its own right a measure of good offense, but given our personnel and how well our WRs typically block on the outside, it's surprising to me that we aren't getting the ball out of our QB's hands more quickly both to give our playmakers the ball and to mitigate the issues we have on the OL.

that having been said, richt has typically started turning it up a little in terms of playcalling and personnel in the second half of the season so we'll see.
 
If Cager catches with his hands or Jahir Jones and Mahoney aren't so badly beaten all the time, does Richt still need to "diversify his offense"?

Yes, a lot. Just because its good enough to beat most of schlebs on the schedule doesn't mean its a championship winning offense. We can out athlete most of the schedule, not going work for Bama, UGA, OhioSt, Clemson, etc.
 
Donaldson has been awful this year.

These threads prove it.

Let his star ranking go and be objective. He’s on the ground half the game every week. Why do people insist he’s sometime elite guard?
 
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