The Work 7-30 (pre-camp notes)

The Work 7-30 (pre-camp notes)

Peter Ariz
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I understand the desire to have a thumper as a fb for I formation but it's a limiting position when it's your only fullback. I'd like to see that role as more of a dynamic halfback who can do a lot more than be a bruiser.
 
You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****ty defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
Bone up. Kaaya is projected everywhere as a high 1st rounder.

Kessler was about 6 feet tall and never possessed Kaaya's deadly accuracy. Kaaya can drop a ball on a Zika baby's pin head at 40 yards.

You can save this post, but Kaaya will not be a 1st round pick (based on everything he's shown thus far). He doesn't have the athleticism of a Mariotta, Wentz, Lynch. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Hackenburg, Winston, Lynch, or even Goff who never really had a great arm. Kaaya's arm is average as far as strength is concerned. He is very accurate, especially in the middle of the field. However when he throws to the sideline, he just can't make the throws as often as he needs to. He definitely can't scramble, and he really needs to work on his pocket mobility, which was the main reason Goff was so good. I will say Kaaya is lucky as **** we switched coaches. He's definitely smart enough to be an NFL QB. Just everything I've seen doesn't scream 1st round to me, which is also why I believe he will stay for his senior year.

Basically, if he plays this year how he played the past 2 seasons, he will not be a 1st round pick, and likely wouldn't leave early. BUT he's a very good qb still, and can easily win us bowl games and take us to the playoffs, etc

What dumb wording of that post. You say Kaaya won't be a #1 then you cop out with (based on how he has played). So you have yourself an out when he is picked in the first round because you can say "oh he started playing better". Wuss.

Here's whAt matters, based on kaayas play up until this point he is projected high first round almost everywhere and when he keeps up the good work, he'll be a top ten pick.

Then take out that (based on how hes playing). I said that because Im looking at everything hes done the first 2 years. And in those 2 years he did not show he was a 1st round pick. I can only go off of what Ive seen, but its entirely possible that as a Junior he has a massive season where he works the pocket better, Gets stronger, and just simply makes more plays.
If the draft was today, I think only Deshaun Watson and Falk would be 1st rounders, and Kaaya would be the Next QB off the board followed by that Rudolph guy from Oklahoma St.
 
I understand the desire to have a thumper as a fb for I formation but it's a limiting position when it's your only fullback. I'd like to see that role as more of a dynamic halfback who can do a lot more than be a bruiser.

I don't think Richt wants to limit the position. I think he wants options and versatility. I think we'll see Herndon and the new kid name escapes me right now depending on how Richt wants to attack the defense.
 
How many incredible comebacks and "willing to victory" moments could a guy who was 20-23 at Stanford with no bowl appearances have? You wanted to focus on college, which is why I brought you Elway and his record at Stanford. Take a knee, Hugh.

I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.

I appreciate your research. So if Kaaya led a few comeback drives but we were 20-23 with no bowl appearances during his career you'd think more highly of him?

Don't forget that sometimes QBs lead comebacks because they were horrible for the first three quarters like Berlin's comeback against UF.
 
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I understand the desire to have a thumper as a fb for I formation but it's a limiting position when it's your only fullback. I'd like to see that role as more of a dynamic halfback who can do a lot more than be a bruiser.

I don't think Richt wants to limit the position. I think he wants options and versatility. I think we'll see Herndon and the new kid name escapes me right now depending on how Richt wants to attack the defense.

versatility would be ideal. it would be great to have a hybrid type fullback. but our short yardage game has been awful for a long time. we need a monster to be a lead blocker. added toughness, continue drives with first down conversions, impose our will. y'all get the picture.
 
Kaaya needs to do a better job of willing his defense to tackle Dalvin Cook.
 
How many incredible comebacks and "willing to victory" moments could a guy who was 20-23 at Stanford with no bowl appearances have? You wanted to focus on college, which is why I brought you Elway and his record at Stanford. Take a knee, Hugh.

I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.

I appreciate your research. So if Kaaya led a few comeback drives but we were 20-23 with no bowl appearances during his career you'd think more highly of him?

Don't forget that sometimes QBs lead comebacks because they were horrible for the first three quarters like Berlin's comeback against UF.

Well to put it into perspective Elway was a starter for 3 years and they played 11 games back then. His 1980 team won 6 games which would've been bowl-eligible and his 1982 team won 5 games (2 against top 12 teams), and they weren't playing cupcakes back then either. So records and bowl games need some context. Making the "Independence bowl" because we beat FAMU and Ark State is hardly a credit to that team.

Yes, I would think much higher of Kaaya if he showed the poise and moxie of someone like Elway. The sky is really the limit for Kaaya because he has elite physical tools and an elite brain. But he hasn't shown that he has that killer instinct yet that separates leaders/QBs.
 
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How many incredible comebacks and "willing to victory" moments could a guy who was 20-23 at Stanford with no bowl appearances have? You wanted to focus on college, which is why I brought you Elway and his record at Stanford. Take a knee, Hugh.

I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.

I appreciate your research. So if Kaaya led a few comeback drives but we were 20-23 with no bowl appearances during his career you'd think more highly of him?

Don't forget that sometimes QBs lead comebacks because they were horrible for the first three quarters like Berlin's comeback against UF.

Well to put it into perspective Elway was a starter for 3 years and they played 11 games back then. His 1980 team won 6 games which would've been bowl-eligible and his 1982 team won 5 games (2 against top 12 teams), and they weren't playing cupcakes back then either. So records and bowl games need some context. Making the "Independence bowl" because we beat FAMU and Ark State is hardly a credit to that team.

Yes, I would think much higher of Kaaya if he showed the poise and moxie of someone like Elway. The sky is really the limit for Kaaya because he has elite physical tools and an elite brain. But he hasn't shown that he has that killer instinct yet that separates leaders/QBs.

The essence of a heel dig. You know you're in deep when you're justifying a 20-23 record with no bowl appearances and trumpeting a 6 win season after spending the thread shytting on Kaaya for not winning enough.
 
How many incredible comebacks and "willing to victory" moments could a guy who was 20-23 at Stanford with no bowl appearances have? You wanted to focus on college, which is why I brought you Elway and his record at Stanford. Take a knee, Hugh.

I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.

I appreciate your research. So if Kaaya led a few comeback drives but we were 20-23 with no bowl appearances during his career you'd think more highly of him?

Don't forget that sometimes QBs lead comebacks because they were horrible for the first three quarters like Berlin's comeback against UF.

Well to put it into perspective Elway was a starter for 3 years and they played 11 games back then. His 1980 team won 6 games which would've been bowl-eligible and his 1982 team won 5 games (2 against top 12 teams), and they weren't playing cupcakes back then either. So records and bowl games need some context. Making the "Independence bowl" because we beat FAMU and Ark State is hardly a credit to that team.

Yes, I would think much higher of Kaaya if he showed the poise and moxie of someone like Elway. The sky is really the limit for Kaaya because he has elite physical tools and an elite brain. But he hasn't shown that he has that killer instinct yet that separates leaders/QBs.

The essence of a heel dig. You know you're in deep when you're justifying a 20-23 record with no bowl appearances and trumpeting a 6 win season after spending the thread shytting on Kaaya for not winning enough.

Better than trying to justify a 10-12 record against FBS opponents by blaming everyone but the quarterback.

You know that in 1980 there were 15 bowl games right? Now there are 41. Apples and avocados my friend.
 
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I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.

I appreciate your research. So if Kaaya led a few comeback drives but we were 20-23 with no bowl appearances during his career you'd think more highly of him?

Don't forget that sometimes QBs lead comebacks because they were horrible for the first three quarters like Berlin's comeback against UF.

Well to put it into perspective Elway was a starter for 3 years and they played 11 games back then. His 1980 team won 6 games which would've been bowl-eligible and his 1982 team won 5 games (2 against top 12 teams), and they weren't playing cupcakes back then either. So records and bowl games need some context. Making the "Independence bowl" because we beat FAMU and Ark State is hardly a credit to that team.

Yes, I would think much higher of Kaaya if he showed the poise and moxie of someone like Elway. The sky is really the limit for Kaaya because he has elite physical tools and an elite brain. But he hasn't shown that he has that killer instinct yet that separates leaders/QBs.

The essence of a heel dig. You know you're in deep when you're justifying a 20-23 record with no bowl appearances and trumpeting a 6 win season after spending the thread shytting on Kaaya for not winning enough.

Better than trying to justify a 10-12 record against FBS opponents by blaming everyone but the quarterback.

You know that in 1980 there were 15 bowl games right? Now there are 41. Apples and avocados my friend.

Now you're all twisted in knots chasing your tail. Im not trying to justify anything because I think it's wholly possible to be a great QB on a bad team. Elway and Kaaya prove that.

You, on the other hand, have repeatedly espoused the belief that Kaaya can't be considered great because he hasn't won enough. When faced with a clear example of one of the greatest QBs in the history of the game, who led his team to a 20-23 overall record at Stanford, you attempted to excuse your way around your original hypothesis by giving me a few examples of Elway comebacks, pointing out his incredible 6 win season, and excusing away no bowl appearances in 4 years by telling me there weren't many bowl games back then.

This one's over. Someone give Hugh a standing 8 count and let him gather his faculties.
 
Kaaya will definitely be a first round pick when he comes out. Arm strength looked fine when he was dropping dimes to Dirsett his freshman year. There's plenty of talk about Brad going in the first round this year, to think he won't is silly.
 
I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.

I appreciate your research. So if Kaaya led a few comeback drives but we were 20-23 with no bowl appearances during his career you'd think more highly of him?

Don't forget that sometimes QBs lead comebacks because they were horrible for the first three quarters like Berlin's comeback against UF.

Well to put it into perspective Elway was a starter for 3 years and they played 11 games back then. His 1980 team won 6 games which would've been bowl-eligible and his 1982 team won 5 games (2 against top 12 teams), and they weren't playing cupcakes back then either. So records and bowl games need some context. Making the "Independence bowl" because we beat FAMU and Ark State is hardly a credit to that team.

Yes, I would think much higher of Kaaya if he showed the poise and moxie of someone like Elway. The sky is really the limit for Kaaya because he has elite physical tools and an elite brain. But he hasn't shown that he has that killer instinct yet that separates leaders/QBs.

The essence of a heel dig. You know you're in deep when you're justifying a 20-23 record with no bowl appearances and trumpeting a 6 win season after spending the thread shytting on Kaaya for not winning enough.

Better than trying to justify a 10-12 record against FBS opponents by blaming everyone but the quarterback.

You know that in 1980 there were 15 bowl games right? Now there are 41. Apples and avocados my friend.

Statistically speaking you're nuts! Since you brought up the 10-12 record, here is Kaaya's career stats at Miami. He's on pace to break most of our passing records and under some of the worst coaching to step foot in Coral Gables.

Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2014 Miami (FL) ACC FR QB 13 221 378 58.5 3198 8.5 8.4 26 12 145.9
2015 Miami (FL) ACC SO QB 12 238 389 61.2 3238 8.3 8.6 16 5 142.1
Career Miami (FL)

So 6400+ yards 42 TD's and 17 int's (12 of which were his fresh year). Avg 8.6 yards per attempt

Without even breaking those stats down against FBS AND FCS it makes your argument even weaker when you find out he put up chunk numbers against FSU. Both losses and neither which losses you could, if you're being honest, blame on Kaaya. Just a poor argument
 
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Kaaya will definitely be a first round pick when he comes out. Arm strength looked fine when he was dropping dimes to Dirsett his freshman year. There's plenty of talk about Brad going in the first round this year, to think he won't is silly.

4th round at best if this year.. maybe 3rd next year.

He might not be the best QB on campus
 
Our WR core is a different kind of special - I just hope they have someone throwing them the ball consistently!
 
Now you're all twisted in knots chasing your tail. Im not trying to justify anything because I think it's wholly possible to be a great QB on a bad team. Elway and Kaaya prove that.

You, on the other hand, have repeatedly espoused the belief that Kaaya can't be considered great because he hasn't won enough. When faced with a clear example of one of the greatest QBs in the history of the game, who led his team to a 20-23 overall record at Stanford, you attempted to excuse your way around your original hypothesis by giving me a few examples of Elway comebacks, pointing out his incredible 6 win season, and excusing away no bowl appearances in 4 years by telling me there weren't many bowl games back then.

This one's over. Someone give Hugh a standing 8 count and let him gather his faculties.

Dude I have no idea what you're saying, but you're right this is over. I don't give a flying **** about any of this. Kaaya had his chances to win us some ball games and he failed. That's the bottom line. Justify by saying well he had the lead and the defense gave it up, or his play calling was terrible, or the wide receivers dropped a pass in the 3rd quarter is fine. Doesn't matter. He had his chances to win us games and he failed. That's it. End of story. Hope it changes next season with some better coaching. See you at the opener.
 
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