The Work 7-30 (pre-camp notes)

The Work 7-30 (pre-camp notes)

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I am aware of who he played with on those teams. Look up his numbers and then try to tell me he wasn't the main reason they were so dominant those four years. By the way, dumbass, Moore had his best year passing without Pettis or Young to throw to, in 2011.
This dumbass is still proving how ignorant you are. In 2010 he had a passing rating of 182.6, in 2011 it was 175.2. He also threw for more yards on less attempts and fewer ints in 2010.

My point, moron, is that Moore never needed Pettis or Young to be a really good college quarterback.

Lol o now that's your point. First it was he never needed help carrying the team. Then it changes to his best year came in 2011 without those players I named. Then it changes to he never needed those players to be great....lol

My point has always been that Kellen Moore is a better college quarterback than Brad Kaaya (as of right now). You are the one claiming he was only good because of the talent around him. His 2011 season proved he was just that **** good.
I never mentioned the talent around him until you stated he never needed help carrying the team. Please quote were I said he was only good because of those around him. Those Boise teams was perfectly built and we'll balanced. They all feed of each other.

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This dumbass is still proving how ignorant you are. In 2010 he had a passing rating of 182.6, in 2011 it was 175.2. He also threw for more yards on less attempts and fewer ints in 2010.

My point, moron, is that Moore never needed Pettis or Young to be a really good college quarterback.

Lol o now that's your point. First it was he never needed help carrying the team. Then it changes to his best year came in 2011 without those players I named. Then it changes to he never needed those players to be great....lol

My point has always been that Kellen Moore is a better college quarterback than Brad Kaaya (as of right now). You are the one claiming he was only good because of the talent around him. His 2011 season proved he was just that **** good.
I never mentioned the talent around him until you stated he never needed help carrying the team

Right, and his 2011 season proved he didn't need help carrying the team. Who the **** was he even throwing to that year?
 
Kaaya can't catch the ball after he throws it. a lot of drops in crucial situations and a lot of play-calling down and distance issues that exposed our poor O-line play.

post is pure nonsense. You must not understand the game.

Post is a bunch of ***** *** excuses. I see the Golden era has still left a bunch of our fans soft.

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I'm not sure why people are having a hard time understanding this. I think Kaaya is very talented. I've been very impressed watching him do a number of things, particularly his ability to throw an accurate ball with defensive pressure in his face and his overall accuracy. I really hate having this argument with people because I want to win, and Brad is the biggest key to that. If you guys are happy with what he's done over the past 2 years, then great, more power to you. But I know he needs to do a **** of a lot more on third downs and the fourth quarter if we're going to get back to the national picture over the next 2 years. And I know that Richt is the perfect guy to bring him up to that level.

Did that asshat put Jacory in Aaron Murray's stratosphere???? Meth is a powerful drug

Nah you prick. Instead of blabbering with your brownlip read. It was called sarcasm moron. Possibly a level of dialogue you're not capable of. It was said because you & your buddy said Aaron Murray was the next thing to Jesus shuttles worth at Georgia & than said Kellen Moore too & brads not even close to there levels. Not sure why I'm bothering to explain.
 
Yeah...Kaaya better than Murray?? He hasn't shown that kind of ability....he hasn't proven it

Lol. Aaron Murray is the SEC's all time leading passer. Kaaya has a long ways to go before being mentioned in the same sentence as Murray, let alone being "light years ahead". My god.

You do realize how stupid that sounds don't you? Great he is the sec leader in career passing yards. Few things there champ #1 sec hasn't produced all that many great quarterbacks in the big picture. They've got there fair share but like Murray did how many of them started the whole time they were in college? Not many. He leads the sec because he started the entire time and was a decent quarterback for all of his years and actually good his senior year. But to say kaaya has a long way to go to be as good or better than him is crazy. He already has Murray in spades. Hence Aaron Murray's nfl career indicates. Lol

LOL. Why don't you actually speak in specifics instead of vague terms. Like tell me how Murray compares to the Manning brothers who also started all 4 years? Or the quarterbacks of Spurrier's fun n gun offenses. Or Jay Cutler who also started 4 years. Admittedly it's not the strongest conference for QB's, but they've had some of the best go through there.

Are we to compare them based on Aaron Murray's career? How did Ken Dorsey's NFL career go? Gino Torreta's?

For all of the talent Kaaya has, he is 10-12 against FBS opponents. There's nothing more common than an unsuccessful man with talent.

Murray had the benefit of being taught the game and position by a guy who groomed Heisman QBs at FSU. Kaaya was stuck with retards who never accomplished anything and are now low level position coaches.

You guys love dumping on Kaaya for never winning anything but leave out the fact that he was coached by the worst staff in D1. UM fans are the only people who love to degrade Kaaya. Everyone else, including the NFL, loves him.

The majority of those people are simply too stupid to understand x & os. Believe it or not coaching is actually relevant in this crazy game of football people.
 
Murray had the benefit of being taught the game and position by a guy who groomed Heisman QBs at FSU. Kaaya was stuck with retards who never accomplished anything and are now low level position coaches.

You guys love dumping on Kaaya for never winning anything but leave out the fact that he was coached by the worst staff in D1. UM fans are the only people who love to degrade Kaaya. Everyone else, including the NFL, loves him.

Blame the staff, blame the O-line, blame the receivers, I don't really care to have this argument anymore. I just want to start winning.

It ain't an argument. You were the one who basically ****ted all over Brad while naming Murray the sec golden child. Soon as logic entered the conversation everything switched up & it became a whole different conversation. The whole point before all this was simply Brad Kaaya doesn't play second fiddle to Aaron Murray, Kellen Moore or any of that other crap. No matter if people wanna admit it the results we've seen on the field have been tainted due to inferior coaching yet he's still played at a high level. If you are a canes fan than you should be tremendously enthused to know kaaya is now playing for an a+ staff & well finally get to see results on the field.
 
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And Christian Hackenberg was a better college quarterback than Ken Dorsey. Because after his sophomore year all of the experts and scouts said he was going to be the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] [/URL] NFL pick, and Ken Dorsey was a benchwarmer. 7th round draft pick LOL, why is this even a conversation we have the stoopidest fanz.
Hackenburg? Who mentioned him? He had a decent freshman season then stunk. He's nowhere near the college QB Kaaya is, and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. He wasn't even a top 50 pick.

Lol, who mentioned Blake Sims?

Franchise, you are one of my favorite posters on here and this is disappointing. Hackenberg was widely projected as the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] overall pick after his sophomore season, even Todd McShay had him at [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .

Penn State's Christian Hackenberg the No. 1 pick in Todd McShay's 2016 NFL mock draft | PennLive.com
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.

You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any #1 pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****** defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
 
Hackenburg? Who mentioned him? He had a decent freshman season then stunk. He's nowhere near the college QB Kaaya is, and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. He wasn't even a top 50 pick.

Lol, who mentioned Blake Sims?

Franchise, you are one of my favorite posters on here and this is disappointing. Hackenberg was widely projected as the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] overall pick after his sophomore season, even Todd McShay had him at [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .

Penn State's Christian Hackenberg the No. 1 pick in Todd McShay's 2016 NFL mock draft | PennLive.com
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.

You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any #1 pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****** defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
Bone up. Kaaya is projected everywhere as a high 1st rounder.

Kessler was about 6 feet tall and never possessed Kaaya's deadly accuracy. Kaaya can drop a ball on a Zika baby's pin head at 40 yards.
 
We have had an influx of retards here lately.......who in their right mind would compare Kaaya to Kellen fricking Moore?

So do you honestly believe that a guy who is (currently) 13-12 as a starter is a better college quarterback than a guy who put up ridiculous numbers in college and went 50-3 as a starter? If you do, you are the ******.


QBs are incorrectly judged by TEAM criteria. There's so much more than QB play that goes into a win or loss, especially when the golden error and doritos are involved.

Put it to you this way: I bet Kellen goes 13-12 with golden and dorito and Kayaa goes 50-3 with boise st. or better.

Maybe. Kellen Moore had several game-winning drives though. They didn't have to remember that the defense had given up the lead. They didn't have to remind everyone of each dropped ball or blown offensive line assignment. They didn't have to criticize each coach on the staff. They didn't have to remind people of the other turnovers committed in the game. Kellen Moore just drove down the field and won and that was that. We used to admire **** like that.

You are simply a hypocrite. You started this whole **** by saying clearly kaaya is no where near as good because Murray is the all time leader in sec passing yards. Soon as I showed you they're already at the same pace yardage wise it changed up to wins & drives & all the rest of the bull****. Well other than completions & yardage etcetera (& for that the recievers still need to catch the ball) the Qb can't really control much else. You call them excuse but it's a reality. Coaching & schemes is a huge part of results on the field. Draft status be damned. Kellen Moore also had a dominant o line,dominant run game,a oc & head coach that were offensive minds,a DC that played an aggressive attacking scheme. We could go on & on. But everything was in place for him to get results namely being the fact 10 out of 12 games he played yearly was against the girls ymcmb. This is really all moot points. Wait to see what Brad does this year than revisit your conversation
 
This board is ******* brutal!


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Lol, who mentioned Blake Sims?

Franchise, you are one of my favorite posters on here and this is disappointing. Hackenberg was widely projected as the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] overall pick after his sophomore season, even Todd McShay had him at [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .

Penn State's Christian Hackenberg the No. 1 pick in Todd McShay's 2016 NFL mock draft | PennLive.com
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.

You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any #1 pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****ty defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
Bone up. Kaaya is projected everywhere as a high 1st rounder.

Kessler was about 6 feet tall and never possessed Kaaya's deadly accuracy. Kaaya can drop a ball on a Zika baby's pin head at 40 yards.

You can save this post, but Kaaya will not be a 1st round pick (based on everything he's shown thus far). He doesn't have the athleticism of a Mariotta, Wentz, Lynch. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Hackenburg, Winston, Lynch, or even Goff who never really had a great arm. Kaaya's arm is average as far as strength is concerned. He is very accurate, especially in the middle of the field. However when he throws to the sideline, he just can't make the throws as often as he needs to. He definitely can't scramble, and he really needs to work on his pocket mobility, which was the main reason Goff was so good. I will say Kaaya is lucky as **** we switched coaches. He's definitely smart enough to be an NFL QB. Just everything I've seen doesn't scream 1st round to me, which is also why I believe he will stay for his senior year.

Basically, if he plays this year how he played the past 2 seasons, he will not be a 1st round pick, and likely wouldn't leave early. BUT he's a very good qb still, and can easily win us bowl games and take us to the playoffs, etc
 
You can save this post, but Kaaya will not be a 1st round pick (based on everything he's shown thus far). He doesn't have the athleticism of a Mariotta, Wentz, Lynch. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Hackenburg, Winston, Lynch, or even Goff who never really had a great arm. Kaaya's arm is average as far as strength is concerned. He is very accurate, especially in the middle of the field. However when he throws to the sideline, he just can't make the throws as often as he needs to. He definitely can't scramble, and he really needs to work on his pocket mobility, which was the main reason Goff was so good. I will say Kaaya is lucky as **** we switched coaches. He's definitely smart enough to be an NFL QB. Just everything I've seen doesn't scream 1st round to me, which is also why I believe he will stay for his senior year.

Basically, if he plays this year how he played the past 2 seasons, he will not be a 1st round pick, and likely wouldn't leave early. BUT he's a very good qb still, and can easily win us bowl games and take us to the playoffs, etc

Yikes. I think you'll get the hounds off of me and onto you very quickly.
 
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.

You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****ty defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
Bone up. Kaaya is projected everywhere as a high 1st rounder.

Kessler was about 6 feet tall and never possessed Kaaya's deadly accuracy. Kaaya can drop a ball on a Zika baby's pin head at 40 yards.

You can save this post, but Kaaya will not be a 1st round pick (based on everything he's shown thus far). He doesn't have the athleticism of a Mariotta, Wentz, Lynch. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Hackenburg, Winston, Lynch, or even Goff who never really had a great arm. Kaaya's arm is average as far as strength is concerned. He is very accurate, especially in the middle of the field. However when he throws to the sideline, he just can't make the throws as often as he needs to. He definitely can't scramble, and he really needs to work on his pocket mobility, which was the main reason Goff was so good. I will say Kaaya is lucky as **** we switched coaches. He's definitely smart enough to be an NFL QB. Just everything I've seen doesn't scream 1st round to me, which is also why I believe he will stay for his senior year.

Basically, if he plays this year how he played the past 2 seasons, he will not be a 1st round pick, and likely wouldn't leave early. BUT he's a very good qb still, and can easily win us bowl games and take us to the playoffs, etc

There's a big difference in Kaaya's arm and Cody Kessler's arm. Kessler had legit concerns coming from a system offense where they manufactured short completions for him.

Kaaya has every bit of the arm strength of a first rounder. I'm a 49ers fan, and if they have the season I see them having, I bet you the pick Kaaya in the top 5 this year, if not #1 overall
 
You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****ty defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
Bone up. Kaaya is projected everywhere as a high 1st rounder.

Kessler was about 6 feet tall and never possessed Kaaya's deadly accuracy. Kaaya can drop a ball on a Zika baby's pin head at 40 yards.

You can save this post, but Kaaya will not be a 1st round pick (based on everything he's shown thus far). He doesn't have the athleticism of a Mariotta, Wentz, Lynch. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Hackenburg, Winston, Lynch, or even Goff who never really had a great arm. Kaaya's arm is average as far as strength is concerned. He is very accurate, especially in the middle of the field. However when he throws to the sideline, he just can't make the throws as often as he needs to. He definitely can't scramble, and he really needs to work on his pocket mobility, which was the main reason Goff was so good. I will say Kaaya is lucky as **** we switched coaches. He's definitely smart enough to be an NFL QB. Just everything I've seen doesn't scream 1st round to me, which is also why I believe he will stay for his senior year.

Basically, if he plays this year how he played the past 2 seasons, he will not be a 1st round pick, and likely wouldn't leave early. BUT he's a very good qb still, and can easily win us bowl games and take us to the playoffs, etc

There's a big difference in Kaaya's arm and Cody Kessler's arm. Kessler had legit concerns coming from a system offense where they manufactured short completions for him.

Kaaya has every bit of the arm strength of a first rounder. I'm a 49ers fan, and if they have the season I see them having, I bet you the pick Kaaya in the top 5 this year, if not #1 overall

I'll take that bet. I guarantee you right now after he declares, whether it be this year or next year, all you will hear about is how his arm isn't great. Sure his arm isn't as weak as Kessler's is, but my point was that all you every heard predraft about Kessler was that his arm wasn't strong enough at the NFL level. ****, you heard the same thing about Goff. Everyone was saying he didn't have a great arm, and day one he will still be above average arm strength in the NFL. I guarantee Kaaya's arm strength will be one of his biggest areas of concern entering the draft.
Again, I hope he is a 1st round pick, and he succeeds. But he really needs to improve this year to earn any 1st round talk, because thus far he hasn't played like a 1st round pick. Can he be? yes. Will he be? I don't think so. Honestly I think the reason he might be a 1st rounder if he came out this year is because this QB class kinda sucks.
Lastly, the fact that we are even discussing whether or not he will be a 1st round qb is a clear indication that he is really good and a guy that can take you to the playoffs. Like Richt said, we shouldn't put a cap on what we can do this season. We have the QB, if our OL can give him 3 seconds, I think our Offense will be great.
 
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Blake Sims and Jake Coker are better than Joe Montana and John Elway because they had better winning percentages.

And Christian Hackenberg was a better college quarterback than Ken Dorsey. Because after his sophomore year all of the experts and scouts said he was going to be the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] NFL pick, and Ken Dorsey was a benchwarmer. 7th round draft pick LOL, why is this even a conversation we have the stoopidest fanz.
Hackenburg? Who mentioned him? He had a decent freshman season then stunk. He's nowhere near the college QB Kaaya is, and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. He wasn't even a top 50 pick.

Lol, who mentioned Blake Sims?

Franchise, you are one of my favorite posters on here and this is disappointing. Hackenberg was widely projected as the #1 overall pick after his sophomore season, even Todd McShay had him at #1 .

Penn State's Christian Hackenberg the No. 1 pick in Todd McShay's 2016 NFL mock draft | PennLive.com
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.


Bwahahahaha lmfao. Deeply intrenched indeed. They hate when you hit em with logic. I keep debating with myself if buddy's serious. He seems to be relatively intelligent from one post to the next. But this whole excuses excuses crap he talks about while critiquing essentially play selection tells me his understanding is rudimentary... over & over he negates the relevance of possibly the worst coaching staff & schemes in college football.
 
I already told your dumbass earlier in the thread that Kaaya is better than Coker. By the way, Kaaya only played 1 quarter in that Clemson game, so you can't really say he got beat 58-0.

But you just said Kellen Moore is better because of who he beat and who Kaaya failed to beat...

No, dumbass. I said Moore is a better college quarterback than Kaaya because he won **** near every game he started in, and he put up ridiculous numbers his entire career. Moore was never carried by the team around him. He was the main reason they were so dominant those four years.
Austin Pettis, Titus Young, Doug Martin, DJ Harper, and Nate Potter were all on his team at Bosie. He had multiple players on defense that got to the league also. For you to say he was never carried by his team is flat out ignorant. You really are trolling....

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I am aware of who he played with on those teams. Look up his numbers and then try to tell me he wasn't the main reason they were so dominant those four years. By the way, dumbass, Moore had his best year passing without Pettis or Young to throw to, in 2011.

Why do you keep talking about Kellen fricking Moore & his numbers? His passing stats being yardage,completions etc were basically the same as kaaya. Where he separated himself to this point was at touchdown & interceptions. Absolutely he excelled at that which is what really matters for a qb. Needless to say as well it sincerely helps to play 10 out of 12 games yearly against temple Beth El & the hairy Krishna all stars on a game to game basis. It also greatly helped he had 2 of the best offensive minds in college football coaching him. Wasn't too bad either to have a dominant o line,dominant running game etc etcetera.
 
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.

You can't be a great college quarterback if you had a losing record, overall. That's **** near impossible. All this tells me is that the Heisman is a f*cking joke.

Jared Goff finished as one of the best passers in cfb last year. The past 2 seasons he was rated very highly by PFF (cff, i guess?) and all they do is judge by their actual performance on every play in every game. He has like the worst record of any [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] pick ever. guess what else, he owns just about every Cal passing record, and he only played 3 seasons (Cal btw has like 4 1st round qbs in their history, including Aaron Rodgers). he beat Mariota's pac12 records, and he left his jr yr, he'd absolutely own the pac12 record book if he stayed his senior yr. My point is he also couldn't overcome a ****ty defense. His first 2 years he won a combined 6 games!

Now Kaaya isn't as good as Goff, and isn't going to be a 1st round pick. I think his ceiling is a 2nd round pick. He just doesn't have a good enough arm to be taken too highly (kinda like Kessler). But you are crazy if you don't believe Kaaya isn't the best qb we've had in over a decade, and the 2nd best qb in the ACC right now.
Bone up. Kaaya is projected everywhere as a high 1st rounder.

Kessler was about 6 feet tall and never possessed Kaaya's deadly accuracy. Kaaya can drop a ball on a Zika baby's pin head at 40 yards.

You can save this post, but Kaaya will not be a 1st round pick (based on everything he's shown thus far). He doesn't have the athleticism of a Mariotta, Wentz, Lynch. He doesn't have the arm strength of a Hackenburg, Winston, Lynch, or even Goff who never really had a great arm. Kaaya's arm is average as far as strength is concerned. He is very accurate, especially in the middle of the field. However when he throws to the sideline, he just can't make the throws as often as he needs to. He definitely can't scramble, and he really needs to work on his pocket mobility, which was the main reason Goff was so good. I will say Kaaya is lucky as **** we switched coaches. He's definitely smart enough to be an NFL QB. Just everything I've seen doesn't scream 1st round to me, which is also why I believe he will stay for his senior year.

Basically, if he plays this year how he played the past 2 seasons, he will not be a 1st round pick, and likely wouldn't leave early. BUT he's a very good qb still, and can easily win us bowl games and take us to the playoffs, etc

What dumb wording of that post. You say Kaaya won't be a #1 then you cop out with (based on how he has played). So you have yourself an out when he is picked in the first round because you can say "oh he started playing better". Wuss.

Here's whAt matters, based on kaayas play up until this point he is projected high first round almost everywhere and when he keeps up the good work, he'll be a top ten pick.
 
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Man I hope Mullins gets in, nobody knows anything this close to camp...
 
How many incredible comebacks and "willing to victory" moments could a guy who was 20-23 at Stanford with no bowl appearances have? You wanted to focus on college, which is why I brought you Elway and his record at Stanford. Take a knee, Hugh.

I couldn't find information from every game from Elway's career so this is limited, but this is what I found.

1980 - Potentially game winning drive with 1:27 left against Washington.
Honorable mention: Blowing out #4 Oklahoma on the road. Not a will to victory moment, but incredible win.
1981 - Stanford beats #17 UCLA. Elways leads a game winning drive with 0:46 seconds left
1982 - Stanford beat #13 Ohio State on the road. Elway throws an 18 yard TD pass with 0:34 seconds left
Stanford beats Washington State on the Road. Elway leads a game winning TD drive with 0:22 seconds left
Cal game, where he led them to a potentially game winning FG drive with 0:08 seconds left, only for the most memorable event in NCAA football history to occur on the ensuing kickoff.
 
And Christian Hackenberg was a better college quarterback than Ken Dorsey. Because after his sophomore year all of the experts and scouts said he was going to be the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] NFL pick, and Ken Dorsey was a benchwarmer. 7th round draft pick LOL, why is this even a conversation we have the stoopidest fanz.
Hackenburg? Who mentioned him? He had a decent freshman season then stunk. He's nowhere near the college QB Kaaya is, and he wasn't a top 10 pick either. He wasn't even a top 50 pick.

Lol, who mentioned Blake Sims?

Franchise, you are one of my favorite posters on here and this is disappointing. Hackenberg was widely projected as the #1 overall pick after his sophomore season, even Todd McShay had him at #1 .

Penn State's Christian Hackenberg the No. 1 pick in Todd McShay's 2016 NFL mock draft | PennLive.com
Let's talk specifically about John Elway for a minute. Shall we? Elway's Stanford teams were 20-23 overall during his time there. He never led them to a bowl game.

Is it your position that Elway wasn't a great QB? He set all kinds of records at Stanford and was runner up for the 1982 Heisman trophy. But his team was 20-23 with no bowl appearances.

He was the consensus number 1 pick and struggled for years to win a Super Bowl. Later in his career the Broncos hired Tannahan, who installed a top running game, and Elway finally got over the hump.

Hopefully, this specific example will allow you the chance to extricate your deeply entrenched heels and realize that a great QB can languish on a bad team.

I fully understand the point you and everyone else on here is making. It's just wholly irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Elway couldn't be further away from Kaaya into what I'm talking about specifically, which is 4th quarter comebacks and willing his team to victory. Elway was one of the best, Kaaya hasn't done it yet.

For the 1 millionth time on this forum, because people can't read, etc., I think Kaaya has a ton of talent. He can make some incredible throws, particularly under pressure. I'm a huge fan of his talent. But he still has a ways to go in 3rd down conversions and 4th quarter comebacks. Yes, I will be one of the first ones there cheering him on when he does it, which I expect him to.

The problem is many people on here are concrete thinkers and have an "us vs. them" mentality. So they can't see what I'm actually saying they'll just call me a hater and bring out their pre-made arguments, which is much easier than reading, understanding, and having a conversation.

Like you say all the 4th quarter comebacks and 3rd down rate but you seem to think coaching has nothing to do with that, we all including experts agreed in his first FSU game the last play was a horrible play call, then the next year his O-line took a crap on him and he barely had anytime to throw the ball, especially on the last play where again it was crappy call but the wideout was open and that O-line who let him down all year again let him down letting a DE get in the backfield and tip the pass, and you know what that same game he had a crappy first half and came back firing in the second half WILLING his team to a lead when the defense just let cook score, you call them excuses but in reality they are major factors, you are just dismissing them because they are major counters to your argument
 
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