The Work 10-23

Oct 23, 2017

**Canes fans were once again questioning Josh Jobe’s commitment yesterday when he posted an Alabama picture. I warned months ago that he would continue to post these edits, but it would not mean anything about his pledge with Miami – that remains the case.

Checked in with a source very close to him today, who said that Jobe messaged him earlier today saying how excited and ready he was to get back down to Miami for good. He will be in town during Notre Dame week and plans on being at the Coral Gables campus throughout the week as well. As of now, it does not look like he will be able to enroll early at UM (which was not expected), but there is a good chance that he signs during the early period of December 20-22.

Jobe will be part of the official visitors group on December 16th weekend that the Miami staff has strategically designated for the Storm 18 class members. That will be their final pitch to prospects like Jobe and Nesta Silvera who have still not officially decided if they will sign early or wait until the normal first Wednesday in February.

**Today I posted the midseason highlights of 2020 RB Don Chaney, Jr. and with good reason. If you haven’t checked it out yet, he has all the makings of a 5-star prospect and top 15-type player in his class. Multiple sources have told me in the last week that Chaney, Jr. could be making a commitment in the near future – with the Hurricanes holding a solid lead. Chaney has been to nearly all of the Miami games this season and was out there with his father on Saturday for the Syracuse game.

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**An update on the early enrollment status of the tight end class: Will Mallory, who was back in action last week after missing most of the season with injury, told me today that his school does not allow early enrollment so that is a no-go for him. His welcome back game was a monster performance that you can watch below.

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Brevin Jordan, the Canes’ other tight end commit in the class, is also not allowed to enroll in January due to Bishop Gorman’s rules. Miami’ spring depth at the position will be an interesting topic of conversation considering Chris Herndon is graduating and Michael Irvin, Jr.’s status is currently in the air.

Both Jordan and Mallory are planning on signing during the December period, however.

**DT commit Nesta Silvera has turned up his play in a big way the last two games – with back-to-back 3 sack performances against Cardinal Gibbons and Jackson. He has 56 tackles and 7 sacks in 7 games this season. Silvera told me tonight that he also plans on being there for the December 16th weekend. Miami is attempting to get top defensive back target Tyson Campbell there for that weekend as well, which is very possible.

**Mike Harley is dealing with what can be categorized as a high ankle sprain – the severity of it remains to be seen. He will practice this week without contact and hopes to give it a go on Saturday. If the game was today, it would be unlikely that he played.

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stb

Oct 24, 2017

Pete:
Polendey looks like the only legit TE we have on the roster who has experience working with the team. He is a good receiver but more of a solid blocker.
He was 223 lbs. at the Nike and last was listed at 230 lbs on the roster.....in the off season he needs another 15-20 or so quality bulk.
Have you heard anything on his weight now?

orange&green84

Oct 24, 2017

Dwinstitles said:
The Franchise said:

Beware any "commit" who is hedging on signing early.

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Huge warning sign for me

I said the same thing awhile back and got negged to ****. For Silvera, you could make the case that he's waiting to see what Norton and McIntosh are going to do. But if that's the case, then you're not really committed. I don't pay attention to the SEC articles about Jobe, but him not signing in December would be baffling given the lack of depth in our secondary. He'd be in the 2-deep most likely and our starting safeties next season are seniors. By his sophmore year (Jobe), he'd likely be a clear cut starter.

TheOriginalCane

Oct 24, 2017

AJRob76 said:
TheOriginalCane said:

AJRob76 said:

TheOriginalCane said:

AJRob76 said:

I think he transferred to another high school after football season so he could graduate early[/QUOT

So after football season ended in November, he transferred to another high school in December in order to enroll in college in January?

Sure, that makes sense.

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I’m pretty sure that’s what happened.

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I'm not saying it's impossible, but you can see why the NCAA could question transcripts. And how can a student possibly be stopped from graduating a semester early if he has fulfilled all the qualifications to graduate?

****, if anything, THIS is what the NCAA should be dealing with. Academic issues.

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NCAA is a complete joke

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True, on the enforcement side. I just don't understand why there is even a "Clearinghouse" if kids can just transfer high schools for a month, or miraculously complete over a year of high school credit in a week with "correspondence courses".

TheOriginalCane

Oct 24, 2017

orange&green84 said:
Dwinstitles said:

The Franchise said:

Beware any "commit" who is hedging on signing early.

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Huge warning sign for me

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I said the same thing awhile back and got negged to ****. For Silvera, you could make the case that he's waiting to see what Norton and McIntosh are going to do. But if that's the case, then you're not really committed. I don't pay attention to the SEC articles about Jobe, but him not signing in December would be baffling given the lack of depth in our secondary. He'd be in the 2-deep most likely and our starting safeties next season are seniors. By his sophmore year (Jobe), he'd likely be a clear cut starter.

I won't neg anyone for having a reasonable opinion, but I also think it is too early to draw conclusions. Remember, this is the FIRST YEAR of the early signing period. This is the first year where kids might have to try to take all their visits by December, even if they are not early enrollees. And we don't know how college coaches are responding, if they are trying to play hardball with kids, or put pressure on them. And let's not forget that a bunch of top schools have coaches on the hot seat, so maybe some kids are hesitant to sign early until they see how the coaching carousel turns.

And, look, I realize that not all of that applies to UM. I'd love to have the entire class signed in December, but I'm not going to write off kids who don't sign the early paperwork.

There's a lot of uncertainty with this new rule, and I'm not going to fault some 17 year old kid who is a bit nervous about the whole process.

ScharfCane

Oct 24, 2017

TheOriginalCane said:
orange&green84 said:

Dwinstitles said:

The Franchise said:

Beware any "commit" who is hedging on signing early.

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Huge warning sign for me

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I said the same thing awhile back and got negged to ****. For Silvera, you could make the case that he's waiting to see what Norton and McIntosh are going to do. But if that's the case, then you're not really committed. I don't pay attention to the SEC articles about Jobe, but him not signing in December would be baffling given the lack of depth in our secondary. He'd be in the 2-deep most likely and our starting safeties next season are seniors. By his sophmore year (Jobe), he'd likely be a clear cut starter.

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I won't neg anyone for having a reasonable opinion, but I also think it is too early to draw conclusions. Remember, this is the FIRST YEAR of the early signing period. This is the first year where kids might have to try to take all their visits by December, even if they are not early enrollees. And we don't know how college coaches are responding, if they are trying to play hardball with kids, or put pressure on them. And let's not forget that a bunch of top schools have coaches on the hot seat, so maybe some kids are hesitant to sign early until they see how the coaching carousel turns.

And, look, I realize that not all of that applies to UM. I'd love to have the entire class signed in December, but I'm not going to write off kids who don't sign the early paperwork.

There's a lot of uncertainty with this new rule, and I'm not going to fault some 17 year old kid who is a bit nervous about the whole process.

THIS! Our fans need to let it ride.

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CarolCityHigh

Oct 24, 2017

stb said:
Pete:
Polendey looks like the only legit TE we have on the roster who has experience working with the team. He is a good receiver but more of a solid blocker.
He was 223 lbs. at the Nike and last was listed at 230 lbs on the roster.....in the off season he needs another 15-20 or so quality bulk.
Have you heard anything on his weight now?

Polendey was thin coming out of HS but despite that thinness was benching almost 300 and squatting near 400-long arm and legged .....and was throwing the shot on the track team....he was wiry strong...at that point in his development his lack of bulk was his shortcoming. He is 6-6 and could weight 250 without much a problem with our S&C people. In fact I personally expect him to be 245-255 this coming summer.

He was a physical blocker with long arms and aggressive attitude in HS which if he were 250 lbs. or so he would be very effective in the run game after a being here for almost 2 years(when fall 18 starts).

His pass catching ability and ability to get open on this level may be a possible drawback- I am just guessing here. His height and size make him an end zone threat close in.

His numbers from the March 5, 2016 Dallas Nike were--4.88(40)......vertical (33.3").......short shuttle (4.42)......... and power ball (40')
good vertical and short shuttle for the size

Jordan has all the physical tools to be a TOP TE.......but not arriving as an EE and having that 8 months prep time is definitely going to hold him back in his overall U development in his freshman year. Same with Malloy.

These are just my opinions and concerns

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arinand1

Oct 24, 2017

IndayArtHauz said:
Chill with your brock fetishes, gents. Ruining yet another thread. Just freaking ignore him and let the rest of us read in peace.

This, this, and this. Saw eight pages and became hopeful for some good discussion only to scroll through several pages of everyone arguing with Brock.

I realize he brings it on himself a lot of the time, but for **** sake please stop hijacking thread after thread. Just ignore it at this point if you really think it's that bad.

Oct 24, 2017

TheOriginalCane said:
orange&green84 said:

Dwinstitles said:

The Franchise said:

Beware any "commit" who is hedging on signing early.

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Huge warning sign for me

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I said the same thing awhile back and got negged to ****. For Silvera, you could make the case that he's waiting to see what Norton and McIntosh are going to do. But if that's the case, then you're not really committed. I don't pay attention to the SEC articles about Jobe, but him not signing in December would be baffling given the lack of depth in our secondary. He'd be in the 2-deep most likely and our starting safeties next season are seniors. By his sophmore year (Jobe), he'd likely be a clear cut starter.

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I won't neg anyone for having a reasonable opinion, but I also think it is too early to draw conclusions. Remember, this is the FIRST YEAR of the early signing period. This is the first year where kids might have to try to take all their visits by December, even if they are not early enrollees. And we don't know how college coaches are responding, if they are trying to play hardball with kids, or put pressure on them. And let's not forget that a bunch of top schools have coaches on the hot seat, so maybe some kids are hesitant to sign early until they see how the coaching carousel turns.

And, look, I realize that not all of that applies to UM. I'd love to have the entire class signed in December, but I'm not going to write off kids who don't sign the early paperwork.

There's a lot of uncertainty with this new rule, and I'm not going to fault some 17 year old kid who is a bit nervous about the whole process.

You don't have to be able to enroll early to sign early, right?

You only don't sign in December if you are not sure. We can't count on not sure, and they shouldn't count on a spot being there if that signing date comes and goes and they don't take an offer. All parties involved should assume the other party is still looking if they don't take advantage of an offer when they have it.

Going to be interesting for sure though. Going to be interesting how the treatment of the non signees alters. Offers and bags will start coming in, kids will stop being recruited because spots will be taken. Could be wild.

brock

Oct 24, 2017

Richt just announced today that mike Irvin jr is out of the doghouse and able to play and he wanted to get that cleared. Was suspended for last week

Oct 24, 2017

arinand1 said:
IndayArtHauz said:

Chill with your brock fetishes, gents. Ruining yet another thread. Just freaking ignore him and let the rest of us read in peace.

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This, this, and this. Saw eight pages and became hopeful for some good discussion only to scroll through several pages of everyone arguing with Brock.

I realize he brings it on himself a lot of the time, but for **** sake please stop hijacking thread after thread. Just ignore it at this point if you really think it's that bad.

Nice sentiment and all, but people can't help themselves. If the mods haven't put a stop to this problem, despite it repeating itself over and over, I am not sure they genuinely want it to come to an end. Like you said, he created pages of responses and views, that is good for the owners whether it causes you to read through trash or not.

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Combo

Oct 24, 2017

orange&green84 said:
Dwinstitles said:

The Franchise said:

Beware any "commit" who is hedging on signing early.

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Huge warning sign for me

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I said the same thing awhile back and got negged to ****. For Silvera, you could make the case that he's waiting to see what Norton and McIntosh are going to do. But if that's the case, then you're not really committed. I don't pay attention to the SEC articles about Jobe, but him not signing in December would be baffling given the lack of depth in our secondary. He'd be in the 2-deep most likely and our starting safeties next season are seniors. By his sophmore year (Jobe), he'd likely be a clear cut starter.

Most likely he'd start IMO.

Oct 24, 2017

TheOriginalCane said:
crimson_cane said:

TheOriginalCane said:

brock said:

orange&green84 said:

Brock was the same one championing our unproven depth at RB during the offseason. Everyone knew what we had with Walton and that Homer had high upside, but after that we had crap. When fans voiced their concerns, he thought we were good. Now, we've had to revamp our whole offseason because Walton actually went down. With this situation at TE - its rinse and repeat.

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Also added that homer would be ready and look how that turned out. Tyshon dye would have carried us to the acc championship if walton got hurt ?..... he has 35 Carries 134 yards 3.8 ypc on the season... but he was such a difference maker for the season according to some of you

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Once again, we get these same insane responses from Brock and others who misstate our concerns about RB depth.

Nobody said that a grad-transfer would be a "difference maker for the season" or would "carry us to the ACC championship". That was NEVER what ANYONE said. Nor did anyone question whether Homer "would be ready".

Instead, over and over again, many of us pointed out what was behind Walton if Walton got hurt. Homer, who we ALL liked, and then a collection of unproven and untested talent.

You can't just plug-and-play Tyshon Dye's stats and conclude that he would not help us. He might have only 35 carries for a half-season, but if he was with UM, he would now be getting more touches in Walton's absence, and running behind an OL that has been very good thus far.

The REAL point here is that Brock and others were telling us not to worry about RB so that they could argue for saving scholarships for the future, not because anyone was claiming that a grad-transfer was going to "carry us to the ACC-CG" or be a "difference maker".

We wanted depth. Brock just wants to be "right".

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Grads transfer for playing time. They don't transfer to provide depth and hope someone gets hurt so they can play.

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Stupid comment with no perspective.

AT THE TIME we could have/would have/should have signed a grad-transfer, Homer had not played or established himself as a reliable option. So, essentially, a grad-transfer is coming in with the thought that he would be the [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] RB at UM.

Grad-transfers don't simply choose a school with zero players at their position. They decide based on a reasonable chance to play, not that they are handed the #1 position with no competition.

COACHES are the ones who have to plan for depth.

Stupid comment with no perspective. There's a reason no grad transfer came here...it's because they knew they would likely be a number 3 back. Likewise, there is a reason Gus transferred, because he knew he would like be a number 3 back, or at best share carries with the #2 back, unless someone got hurt. Grad-transfers like all transfers go to schools where they have a high likelihood of getting playing time.

arinand1

Oct 24, 2017

westcoastcanes said:
arinand1 said:

IndayArtHauz said:

Chill with your brock fetishes, gents. Ruining yet another thread. Just freaking ignore him and let the rest of us read in peace.

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This, this, and this. Saw eight pages and became hopeful for some good discussion only to scroll through several pages of everyone arguing with Brock.

I realize he brings it on himself a lot of the time, but for **** sake please stop hijacking thread after thread. Just ignore it at this point if you really think it's that bad.

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Nice sentiment and all, but people can't help themselves. If the mods haven't put a stop to this problem, despite it repeating itself over and over, I am not sure they genuinely want it to come to an end. Like you said, he created pages of responses and views, that is good for the owners whether it causes you to read through trash or not.

Although your reasoning is certainly sound, I sincerely hope that's not the case. You can't really ban him because he's just giving his actual takes, as bad as they may be a lot of the time. There just comes a point where people have to stop entertaining every little thing he posts and stop messing up threads. Especially the sacred Work.

Speaking of The Work, as much as I appreciate it, there was very little new info here. Not a knock on Pete because I'm sure there's quite a bit he can't spill, but man we NEED to hear something about QB recruiting this cycle. I have been behind Richt on most things so far, but not at least going after a couple other guys is a joke at this point. Sitkowski (on whom I was personally very adamant taking a wait-and-see approach) has been benched, unable to start over an average 3 star QB his senior year, at a **** school with so much more talent than just about every HS in America.

Surely there has to be SOME news about pursuing other options? The kid is a blatant waste of a scholarship (especially at arguably the most important position) and I'm actually trying to be nice with my choice of words here.

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Billy D Williams

Oct 24, 2017

Pete the question we'd all like to know, but you probably can't answer, is where do we stand with Tyson Campbell. Also DT Briggs?

orange&green84

Oct 24, 2017

Combo said:
orange&green84 said:

Dwinstitles said:

The Franchise said:

Beware any "commit" who is hedging on signing early.

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Huge warning sign for me

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I said the same thing awhile back and got negged to ****. For Silvera, you could make the case that he's waiting to see what Norton and McIntosh are going to do. But if that's the case, then you're not really committed. I don't pay attention to the SEC articles about Jobe, but him not signing in December would be baffling given the lack of depth in our secondary. He'd be in the 2-deep most likely and our starting safeties next season are seniors. By his sophmore year (Jobe), he'd likely be a clear cut starter.

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Most likely he'd start IMO.

Jobe's talented, but I don't see him starting over Johnson or Redwine. Especially if he can't enroll early. But he'll likely push for it at the end of his freshman campaign.

Dwinstitles

Oct 24, 2017

Gator Hatar said:
Pete the question we'd all like to know, but you probably can't answer, is where do we stand with Tyson Campbell. Also DT Briggs?

we gettin both dont worry

C2A3N9E

Oct 24, 2017

sstcane said:
How does Alabama get guts like Jonathan Allen and Reuben Foster to come back for their senior seasons and we have guys jumping ship asap?

Because Bama is in the running for a national title every year.

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cowboycane

Oct 24, 2017

C2A3N9E said:
sstcane said:

How does Alabama get guts like Jonathan Allen and Reuben Foster to come back for their senior seasons and we have guys jumping ship asap?

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Because Bama is in the running for a national title every year.

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And they are dropping big bags to keep them on campus and risk future earnings.

The Franchise

Oct 24, 2017

TheOriginalCane said:
crimson_cane said:

TheOriginalCane said:

brock said:

orange&green84 said:

Brock was the same one championing our unproven depth at RB during the offseason. Everyone knew what we had with Walton and that Homer had high upside, but after that we had crap. When fans voiced their concerns, he thought we were good. Now, we've had to revamp our whole offseason because Walton actually went down. With this situation at TE - its rinse and repeat.

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Also added that homer would be ready and look how that turned out. Tyshon dye would have carried us to the acc championship if walton got hurt ?..... he has 35 Carries 134 yards 3.8 ypc on the season... but he was such a difference maker for the season according to some of you

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Once again, we get these same insane responses from Brock and others who misstate our concerns about RB depth.

Nobody said that a grad-transfer would be a "difference maker for the season" or would "carry us to the ACC championship". That was NEVER what ANYONE said. Nor did anyone question whether Homer "would be ready".

Instead, over and over again, many of us pointed out what was behind Walton if Walton got hurt. Homer, who we ALL liked, and then a collection of unproven and untested talent.

You can't just plug-and-play Tyshon Dye's stats and conclude that he would not help us. He might have only 35 carries for a half-season, but if he was with UM, he would now be getting more touches in Walton's absence, and running behind an OL that has been very good thus far.

The REAL point here is that Brock and others were telling us not to worry about RB so that they could argue for saving scholarships for the future, not because anyone was claiming that a grad-transfer was going to "carry us to the ACC-CG" or be a "difference maker".

We wanted depth. Brock just wants to be "right".

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Grads transfer for playing time. They don't transfer to provide depth and hope someone gets hurt so they can play.

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Stupid comment with no perspective.

AT THE TIME we could have/would have/should have signed a grad-transfer, Homer had not played or established himself as a reliable option. So, essentially, a grad-transfer is coming in with the thought that he would be the #2 RB at UM.

Grad-transfers don't simply choose a school with zero players at their position. They decide based on a reasonable chance to play, not that they are handed the #1 position with no competition.

COACHES are the ones who have to plan for depth.

So what if the grad transfer RBs that were willing to come here weren't as good as Crispian Atkins? There's depth, and then there's useless depth. As of now, we have depth. We just don't have quality depth because the coaches don't trust the guys behind Homer.

Why do you assume that any of the grad transfers that were available are better than the guys we have? Dye is hot buttered garbage, and he's proving what a couple of of us thought of him when his name was being mentioned as a possible grad transfer. Pretty sure we tried to get him, but he chose to go somewhere where there was no competition. And he still can't get any burn and can't produce against **** competition.

The Franchise

Oct 24, 2017

stb said:
Pete:
Polendey looks like the only legit TE we have on the roster who has experience working with the team. He is a good receiver but more of a solid blocker.
He was 223 lbs. at the Nike and last was listed at 230 lbs on the roster.....in the off season he needs another 15-20 or so quality bulk.
Have you heard anything on his weight now?

If Polendey was any good he would have played last weekend instead of a DE who has been playing TE for 4 weeks. When Patchan was out there bumbling around at TE against Syracuse that told me a lot about Polendey.

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