Coaching You can’t defend Cristobal anymore

[TaylorWalls]

Mario picked the QB. He also still has Emory as the backup and first man up after that bowl game performance last year. That’s on him. You can’t coach scared and win anything of significance

So do we have a recruiting problem or an in-game decision problem? Because it can't be both in that particular game

Essentially, this board is saying that we have a buffon head coach, an incompetent OC, an interception-prone QB, one reliable 18 year old receiver, an OL that lives to commit penalties...........and we should have pushed it with 25 seconds left.

 

[MikeyCanez]

We can criticize the coaching all we want. But at least have some understanding of what we're criticizing. The running game did not cause that loss, and neither did any in-game decisions. It was lost because of penalties and incompetence by players who are being paid very well to make plays.

So if you have a beef about the way we're not preparing guys during the week, have at it. But this mob mentality about "running straight into the pile" and "gameday coaching" is just plain stupid. Those two things were the least of our worries on Saturday.

I don't really understand how you can think the running game is fine. We ran 20 times between the tackles for an average of 3.2 yards per carry. That was against the worst passing defense in the conference. We have averaged less than 4 yards per carry in three of our last four games (Stanford is the outlier). Toss out the USF and the Bethune games and the average yards per carry is downright shameful. That is absolutely a major worry!

I am not saying we need to fire Dawson and I don't think the gameday coaching is egregious although I think we are too conservative in situations. But we aren't going to beat good teams leaning on the rushing attack and that is painfully obvious to see.

 

[RVACane]

No strong disagreement here. I think Lashlee can certainly scheme a victory with lesser talent much better than Mario. In between Lashlee at SMU and Mario at Miami is good for like the 17th or 18th-best recruiting class in the country, which, in my opinion, is not going to get it done.

Yeah I think he recruits like that here and finishes slightly better than Mario in the win column. We’d be getting what we paid for then. We aren’t now.

 

[canecrazy23]

Did anyone see JoJo get tackled in the end zone in OT?

I never saw this.

 

[TaylorWalls]

I don't really understand how you can think the running game is fine. We ran 20 times between the tackles for an average of 3.2 yards per carry. That was against the worst passing defense in the conference. We have averaged less than 4 yards per carry in three of our last four games (Stanford is the outlier). Toss out the USF and the Bethune games and the average yards per carry is downright shameful. That is absolutely a major worry!

I am not saying we need to fire Dawson and I don't think the gameday coaching is egregious although I think we are too conservative in situations. But we aren't going to beat good teams leaning on the rushing attack and that is painfully obvious to see.

I said the running game didn't cause that loss. Quit bringing up previous games. We literally, without exaggeration, lost on Saturday because of penalties and incompetence in completing passes.

 

[skeeter]

That's a pretty lame example. You've been here long enough to know what this board would do if Pick threw an interception right there.

Nah, there are instances where what you are saying may apply…But nah, that is a no brainer go for it every time. Let alone if you gave the kid 3 million. Also, you can try to pop a run on 1st down if you must

On your own 10? Sure take a knee…On your own 25 like we were with no timeouts? …Ehhh I probably run once anyways and see if it goes anywhere. 12-13 seconds left? OK play for OT

You simply cannot take a knee there with the time we had and a timeout.

 

[skeeter]

Did anyone see JoJo get tackled in the end zone in OT?

I never saw this.


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Like I said…From the 2:20 mark of regulation forward the game was a robbery, plain and simple. I get everyone is ****ed at CMC and a lot of things about this offense. I am, the man is a moron with game management…But this game was stolen by late game officiating.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Nah, there are instances where what you are saying may apply…But nah, that is a no brainer go for it every time. Let alone if you gave the kid 3 million. Also, you can try to pop a run on 1st down if you must

On your own 10? Sure take a knee…On your own 25 like we were with no timeouts? …Ehhh I probably run once anyways and see if it goes anywhere. 12-13 seconds left? OK play for OT

You simply cannot take a knee there with the time we had and a timeout.

That's a matter of opinion, of course. But that decision hardly cost the game and pales in comparison to dropping a pass in the end zone or turning a catch into an interception.

 

[BS85]

They wanted a look at the formation. Teams do it all the time.

running with a narrative. Players make the plays, refs make the right calls, that was a double digit win, had nothing to do with being outcoached.

 

[RVACane]

So do we have a recruiting problem or an in-game decision problem? Because it can't be both in that particular game

Essentially, this board is saying that we have a buffon head coach, an incompetent OC, an interception-prone QB, one reliable 18 year old receiver, an OL that lives to commit penalties...........and we should have pushed it with 25 seconds left.

I mean if you want to go through each of those we could if I wasn’t so busy today.

I don’t think Dawson is incompetent. I think he’s actually ok if he can run things his way which I guarantee isn’t that bunch set A gap stuff. He isn’t elite and has things to work on but he isn’t the issue in my opinion. I think our WR room is ok with a lot of upside. The penalties on the OL is a coaching failure. What’s your point here, that the refs stole the game? I mean they did but we shouldn’t be in the position we were in on our own accord.

Why haven’t you answered @htownkidd ‘s request to respond to his intelligent post?

 

[TaylorWalls]

I mean if you want to go through each of those we could if I wasn’t so busy today.

I don’t think Dawson is incompetent. I think he’s actually ok if he can run things his way which I guarantee isn’t that bunch set A gap stuff. He isn’t elite and has things to work on but he isn’t the issue in my opinion. I think our away room is ok with a lot of upside. The penalties on the OL is a coaching failure. What’s your point here, that the refs stole the game? I mean they did but we shouldn’t be in the position we were in on our own accord.

Why haven’t you answered @htownkidd ‘s request to respond to his intelligent post?


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The point is, people are certain that we have an offense that can't get out of its own way ("the whole offensive operation is ----", right?), but they want that offense taking shots with 25 seconds left in a tie game in our own territory. It's complaining just to complain.

 

[skeeter]

That's a matter of opinion, of course. But that decision hardly cost the game and pales in comparison to dropping a pass in the end zone or turning a catch into an interception.

It's not a matter of opinion…Or if it is, it is the overwhelmingly correct opinion...It is simply malpractice to not try to win the game there…If you call it an opinion, it is an opinion that would be shared by 95% of coaches, analysts, etc (unless of course there is severe weather involved, or you are in some kinda 6-6 defensive war and you have a totally inept offense and QB, and in that case you still try to pop a draw on 1st down, etc)

 

[skeeter]

The point is, people are certain that we have an offense that can't get out of its own way ("the whole offensive operation is ----", right?), but they want that offense taking shots with 25 seconds left in a tie game in our own territory. It's complaining just to complain.

Nah, I agree the angry mob spins out of control here…But this isn't complaining just to complain. We had 400 yards of offense on the day. There is no reason not to try to you know…win the ****** game. I appreciate conservative coaches more than most, but that was malpractice.

 

[STG]

Ahh yes, nothing is wrong with the running game. I see we still have a few morons left on this board.

52% of the time we are gaining 3 yards or less per rush attempt. Look how consistent the results are.

Notre Dame
35 Rushing Attempts by RBs
19 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (54.2%)

South Florida
30 Rushing Attempts by RBs
15 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (50%)

Florida
42 Rushing Attempts by RBs
20 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (47.6%)

Florida State
27 Rushing Attempts by RBs
17 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (62.9%)

Louisville
16 Rushing Attempts by RBs
12 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (75%)

Stanford
42 Rushing Attempts by RBs
18 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (42.8%)

Southern Methodist
32 Rushing Attempts by RBs
16 ended up as 3 yard or less gains (50%)

TOTAL
224 Rushing Attempts by RBs
117 ended up as 3 yards or less gains (52.2%)

2 yards or less:

Notre Dame - 13 runs
USF - 9 runs
UF - 11 runs
FSU - 14 runs
Lou - 11 runs
Stanford - 16 runs
SMU - 11 runs

 

[TaylorWalls]

Nah, I agree the angry mob spins out of control here…But this isn't complaining just to complain. We had 400 yards of offense on the day. There is no reason not to try to you know…win the ****** game. I appreciate conservative coaches more than most, but that was malpractice.

Which is it?

"The whole operation is ----"
-or-
"We had 400 yards of offense, win the ***** game"

 

[skeeter]

Which is it?

"The whole operation is ----"
-or-
"We had 400 yards of offense, win the ***** game"

I don't subscribe to the first statemtent...

But both statements can be true, especially if the word you leave out of the blank is "disappointing" or even "kinda ****ed"...

Ya gotta try to win a football game

 

[TaylorWalls]

I don't subscribe to the first statemtent...

But both statements can be true, especially if the word you leave out of the blank is "disappointing" or even "kinda ****ed"...

Ya gotta try to win a football game

See above. It was described as an intelligent post.

 

[RVACane]

The point is, people are certain that we have an offense that can't get out of its own way ("the whole offensive operation is ----", right?), but they want that offense taking shots with 25 seconds left in a tie game in our own territory. It's complaining just to complain.

There are people who complain just to complain but with 1 timeout and 25 seconds at the 25 he needed to try. He doesn’t have a winning mentality. Of course he wants and tries to win but he coaches scared. If we get a small lead, often we’re in a prevent situation on both sides of the ball in the 3rd quarter.

 

[BS85]

The point is, people are certain that we have an offense that can't get out of its own way ("the whole offensive operation is ----", right?), but they want that offense taking shots with 25 seconds left in a tie game in our own territory. It's complaining just to complain.

You could do a draw or low risk play and see how it goes so it's not complaining to complain

 

[TaylorWalls]

There are people who complain just to complain but with 1 timeout and 25 seconds at the 25 he needed to try. He doesn’t have a winning mentality. Of course he wants and tries to win but he coaches scared. If we get a small lead, often we’re in a prevent situation on both sides of the ball in the 3rd quarter.

And that is such a minuscule thing to focus on in that disaster of a game.