WR Coach Candidates

[TheOriginalCane]

I'm not spinning anything lol. I'm just stating my experience with interacting with him AND other coaches who he's recruited kids from their schools as well as a few co-workers. If you want to be right by all means you're right lol... There's really nothing to debate here.

Exactly.

We have at least three posters who have had some sort of personal observation/interaction with Hartline. We have another poster who is citing positive news articles written by the Ohio Taint paid media.

And the question I have is not whether Hartline is a good guy, but where the "silver tongue" reputation comes from, and why we are all forced to produce in-court admissible evidence to establish that Hankerson may ALSO be a good recruiter.

Not complicated.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

Is Scott Frost a WR coach candidate in your opinion?

No, your Mom...

 

[Cane6]

Bruce Feldman on the Fat Manny pod said Beard and Reggie Wayne were given “some consideration”

Who knows how much traction there is

This list is about a year old

https://footballscoop.com/news/highest-paid-wide-receivers-coaches-2022-edition

Galloway or bust for me

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

@mossmadness vs. @1murhurricane who you got? Tough call.

Also,

@PIPO

View attachment 230172

We just had a dude that talks enough game that he's pulling the kid to commit to his school and getting the kid's dime piece mom in the sheets.

Still didn't sign a single WR over 5'10. Robbie and Ray Ray both said Mario was the one that recruited them anyway. Didn't land a single guy in the portal.

I don't know much about Hartline but I do know that if he's a good talker or not.. it really doesn't matter. He's pulling dudes because of NFL pedigree and what he's been hyped as being for "developing" JSN, Marvin Harrison Jr, Chris Olave, and Garrett Wilson. Nothing else matters. Doesn't even matter that he didn't recruit Olave or Wilson, Zach Smith did. Didn't matter than Zach Smith did all the leg work on JSN too. Hartline is reaping the reward though.

Hankerson can point to his NFL experience but he's also got to get on the fast track to have college guys to point to. He isn't Walking into a room with 3 future first rounders like Hartline did. That put his career and resume on the fast track. Hartline is an elite WR coach.. zero doubt in my mind.. but he's not taking bums and making them 1st rounders. He's taking 1st rounders and getting them NFL ready and polishing them up. Nobody in America is taking scrubs and making them NFL players. These recruits are 75% complete coming out of HS. The other 25% is mostly football IQ, weight room, maturation, and learning how to work. Maybe 5% of that last 25% is additional "skill" being coached into these guys.

 

[canesbaby]

Hankerson....

Exciting if true.

 

[L A M P]

Has Corby Meekins been mentioned as coming over with Dawson?

Anyone? Would just check a lot of boxes. Probably for TE.

 

[BWCD]

I seen that video. U said 1 guy. How many guys simply know how to catch the ball and how many learn it? Did Bama teach Julio, Cooper, Jeudy and Devante Smith etc to catch or they had it. Did Richt teach Ahmmon Richards to catch, did Golden teach Coley and Hurns? U can go on and on. Yes there are players who can learn certain hand positions, concentration techniques etc, which is usually the issue, but most of the time they already know how to catch the ball outa high school.

I understand what you're saying. I'm not using one guy as a blanket thing. You did when you said "WR either can catch or they cant". That's the only thing I took issue with because with the right coaching/drills, they can learn. I'm just saying from the POV of who we're looking at for WR coach, Hankerson being one candidate, that it's nice to have a guy who *can* teach guys and has been thru those struggles if you have a talented WR who goes thru something similar once you get them on campus. Doesn't hurt - and you can still pull the WRs that have the innate abilities and don't need that help like the ones you listed. Having a coach like Hankerson who's been thru that doesn't preclude him from coaching the guys who can catch. Of course it's preferable to have the guys that are natural pass-catchers, but you can miss out on a Hankerson type of player or just write him off as rotten goods if you can't teach/develop them around their weaknesses.

Other than that point - same page with you man.

 

[mossmadness]

We just had a dude that talks enough game that he's pulling the kid to commit to his school and getting the kid's dime piece mom in the sheets.

Still didn't sign a single WR over 5'10. Robbie and Ray Ray both said Mario was the one that recruited them anyway. Didn't land a single guy in the portal.

I don't know much about Hartline but I do know that if he's a good talker or not.. it really doesn't matter. He's pulling dudes because of NFL pedigree and what he's been hyped as being for "developing" JSN, Marvin Harrison Jr, Chris Olave, and Garrett Wilson. Nothing else matters. Doesn't even matter that he didn't recruit Olave or Wilson, Zach Smith did. Didn't matter than Zach Smith did all the leg work on JSN too. Hartline is reaping the reward though.

Hankerson can point to his NFL experience but he's also got to get on the fast track to have college guys to point to. He isn't Walking into a room with 3 future first rounders like Hartline did. That put his career and resume on the fast track. Hartline is an elite WR coach.. zero doubt in my mind.. but he's not taking bums and making them 1st rounders. He's taking 1st rounders and getting them NFL ready and polishing them up. Nobody in America is taking scrubs and making them NFL players. These recruits are 75% complete coming out of HS. The other 25% is mostly football IQ, weight room, maturation, and learning how to work. Maybe 5% of that last 25% is additional "skill" being coached into these guys.

This is also why the whole “developer and teacher” thing is overblown.

Hartline puts guys in the NFL because he lands elite WRs from Day 1. He didn’t even have an NFL pipeline yet to sell. He did it purely off of personality and an ability to connect and play the recruiting game. And he now has an NFL pipeline because he landed elite players from Day 1. And they don’t need much development. Give me a bunch of guys with a .94+ rating on 247 and I don’t care how good of a “developer” the coach supposedly is. You’re going to have a bunch of studs and NFL players.

 

[mossmadness]

Exactly.

We have at least three posters who have had some sort of personal observation/interaction with Hartline. We have another poster who is citing positive news articles written by the Ohio Taint paid media.

And the question I have is not whether Hartline is a good guy, but where the "silver tongue" reputation comes from, and why we are all forced to produce in-court admissible evidence to establish that Hankerson may ALSO be a good recruiter.

Not complicated.

Yeah, because that’s what Hartline needs. Good PR. Because he’s not getting it from the nation already or anything. Maybe the reason why everybody says he is engaging and charismatic is because he’s engaging and charismatic? Which explains why he dominated in recruiting from day 1?

And your last point is just really weird. Yes, evidence of being an elite recruiter would help in assessing whether or not somebody should be hired for a position that’s largely a recruiter position.

Most can understand that.

 

[FuriousStyles]

Exciting if true.

Hank coming could be beneficial in many ways. He spent enough time with Shanahan that we should want to pick his brain on concepts and play design. But if he’s only coming here to coach WRs and not have a hand in developing the offense (even if not calling plays) why would he do that?

I’m almost certain at this stage in life he has more loyalty to Kyle Shanahan than he does to UM as KS is in a position to provide more on going opportunities for him and gave him his first NFL coaching job.

 

[Mackmiller974]

We just had a dude that talks enough game that he's pulling the kid to commit to his school and getting the kid's dime piece mom in the sheets.

Still didn't sign a single WR over 5'10. Robbie and Ray Ray both said Mario was the one that recruited them anyway. Didn't land a single guy in the portal.

I don't know much about Hartline but I do know that if he's a good talker or not.. it really doesn't matter. He's pulling dudes because of NFL pedigree and what he's been hyped as being for "developing" JSN, Marvin Harrison Jr, Chris Olave, and Garrett Wilson. Nothing else matters. Doesn't even matter that he didn't recruit Olave or Wilson, Zach Smith did. Didn't matter than Zach Smith did all the leg work on JSN too. Hartline is reaping the reward though.

Hankerson can point to his NFL experience but he's also got to get on the fast track to have college guys to point to. He isn't Walking into a room with 3 future first rounders like Hartline did. That put his career and resume on the fast track. Hartline is an elite WR coach.. zero doubt in my mind.. but he's not taking bums and making them 1st rounders. He's taking 1st rounders and getting them NFL ready and polishing them up. Nobody in America is taking scrubs and making them NFL players. These recruits are 75% complete coming out of HS. The other 25% is mostly football IQ, weight room, maturation, and learning how to work. Maybe 5% of that last 25% is additional "skill" being coached into these guys.

Brian Hartline is a solid recruiter but he's not the main reason all these WRs are lining up to go to Ohio State. They go to Ohio State because they see year in and out all these WRs absolutely eating in their offense and then go on to get drafted and become NFL starting WRs. If you want WRs to come here we need to show they can be productive in this offense and go to the NFL. It's really that simple

 

[Memnon]

1. JaMarcus Shephard
2. Joe Price
3. Garrick McGee
4. Chris Chestnut
5. Alvin Slaughter
6. Grant Heard
7. Daikiel Shorts Jr
8. Kevin Cummings
9. Eric Scott
10. Chad Savage

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

Hank coming could be beneficial in many ways. He spent enough time with Shanahan that we should want to pick his brain on concepts and play design. But if he’s only coming here to coach WRs and not have a hand in developing the offense (even if not calling plays) why would he do that?

I’m almost certain at this stage in life he has more loyalty to Kyle Shanahan than he does to UM as KS is in a position to provide more on going opportunities for him and gave him his first NFL coaching job.

If he went to KS and said "I need to be back with my wife and kids" I'm sure KS would say "how can I help?" Family is everything. And he'd be leaving for a non-NFL gig so it's not like he'd be playing against the 49ers or anything.

As far as bringing some KS offensive concepts with him, absolutely. I'm sure he'd be coming in as PGC/WR or something like that too and might be one of the few with the title who would actually be utilized that way lol.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Be honest. We all know someone who is very good at their current job. BUT, they are soooo odd that if they ever interviewed for a higher job they wouldn't stand a chance. Most people refer to them as "Back Room" employees. That does not diminish the job they are currently doing. It is just true that they do not excite people looking to hire someone. EB has had over 10 interviews by employers who want nothing more than to improve their teams and win more. There must be something he is doing or not doing that causes them to conclude he is not the guy.

I will also note that when coaches work for known "stars" there is the fear that the boss is actually the key to success. Let's take the Tampa Bay Bucs. Bruce Arians-multiple times COTY- leaves. Todd Bowles-very good DC- gets promoted and OC Leftwitch is on his own. Without BA both immediately failed. The OC, who interviewed for a HC job one year previously, gets fired and is still [?] looking for a job.

All valid points and I'm obviously wondering what's going on in these interviews too. That said, you'd still kinda wonder why Reid would cape sooooo hard for the dude then and it's not like the NFL (while they probably should) has been hesitant at all in usually running directly TO the coaching tress of HC "stars". Look at how many bums from the Belichick tree have been given jobs- sometimes multiple times. Bieniemy would be a weird spot for the whole league to now be like- "Nah. That's all Reid's magic in KC". I get what you're saying overall though.

 

[L A M P]

Anyone? Would just check a lot of boxes. Probably for TE.

That certainly would Lamp. Interesting name.

 

[TriStarCane]

Can Hank bring Shanny’s run concepts

 

[NorthEastCane]

This is also why the whole “developer and teacher” thing is overblown.

You state yourself he has a bunch of .94+ rating guys. If you have a WR of all 5* guys development is not much of a factor. It's mostly "Don't ***** up".

But I can count on one finger the number of teams with that kind of depth. We're certainly not. The next level "developer and teacher" becomes more important although the change in scheme certainly helps.

Hartline puts guys in the NFL because he lands elite WRs from Day 1. He didn’t even have an NFL pipeline yet to sell. He did it purely off of personality and an ability to connect and play the recruiting game. And he now has an NFL pipeline because he landed elite players from Day 1. And they don’t need much development. Give me a bunch of guys with a .94+ rating on 247 and I don’t care how good of a “developer” the coach supposedly is. You’re going to have a bunch of studs and NFL players.

I don't know where this is coming from. As stated below, he's doing it largely as a result of their history and the work of others that preceded him.

We just had a dude that talks enough game that he's pulling the kid to commit to his school and getting the kid's dime piece mom in the sheets.

Still didn't sign a single WR over 5'10. Robbie and Ray Ray both said Mario was the one that recruited them anyway. Didn't land a single guy in the portal.

I don't know much about Hartline but I do know that if he's a good talker or not.. it really doesn't matter. He's pulling dudes because of NFL pedigree and what he's been hyped as being for "developing" JSN, Marvin Harrison Jr, Chris Olave, and Garrett Wilson. Nothing else matters. Doesn't even matter that he didn't recruit Olave or Wilson, Zach Smith did. Didn't matter than Zach Smith did all the leg work on JSN too. Hartline is reaping the reward though.

Hankerson can point to his NFL experience but he's also got to get on the fast track to have college guys to point to. He isn't Walking into a room with 3 future first rounders like Hartline did. That put his career and resume on the fast track. Hartline is an elite WR coach.. zero doubt in my mind.. but he's not taking bums and making them 1st rounders. He's taking 1st rounders and getting them NFL ready and polishing them up. Nobody in America is taking scrubs and making them NFL players. These recruits are 75% complete coming out of HS. The other 25% is mostly football IQ, weight room, maturation, and learning how to work. Maybe 5% of that last 25% is additional "skill" being coached into these guys.

 

[Cane6]

Can Hank bring Shanny’s run concepts

I asked, he said no

 

[mossmadness]

You state yourself he has a bunch of .94+ rating guys. If you have a WR of all 5* guys development is not much of a factor. It's mostly "Don't ***** up".

But I can count on one finger the number of teams with that kind of depth. We're certainly not. The next level "developer and teacher" becomes more important although the change in scheme certainly helps.

But that’s how Cristobal recruits.

Cristobal doesn’t target a bunch of “developmental” guys. He’s a pure Star Wh*re. He would tell you that. Guys that look the part the second they step off the bus.

Miami isn’t going to target a bunch of 3* or low 4* guys under Cristobal. Especially at WR in South Florida. It’s big game hunting.

 

[Samoan Souljah]

Gimme Reggie Wayne, if he's not kept in Indy. His credintials blows Hartlines out the water. He's also a great teacher and motivator. Come home Wayne.