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Alex_Dynamix said:
Falling on deaf ears in here , we beat Texas A&M 2 years ago bring on ALL the 5 stars !!!
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We did beat a 7-6 TAMU in 2023. Then we went 5-6 for the remainder of that season, including the most inexcusably stupid loss in UM history, 3 losses in November, and a loss to Rutgers in the tough-n-physical bowl.

Whatever "positive momentum" or "good will" may have been generated by beating TAMU (and Clemson) in 2023, it evaporated when we ended the season "the Miami Way" (i.e., with multiple conference losses in November and an L in a mid bowl game).

So would winning help high-end recruitng at UM? I don't know. And I don't understand how anyone can speak so confidently on the subject when we haven't won **** in ~20 years.
 
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TRick72 said:
While part of it and there’s some validity to it, it’s also often used as an excuse and we only hear about how weak a class is at a particular position if we don’t do well recruiting it.

For instance, in 2023 we signed 2 out of the 4 Five Star OT’s in what was a strong OT class. In 2024 the reasoning for taking a bunch of projects at OT was that we had spent a lot on the position the previous year which was smart and made sense.

Then in 2025 the reasoning became it was a weak OT class when in fact on paper it was as strong if not stronger than the 2023 class. This year we haven’t heard a peep about how weak the OT class is when in fact it is shaping up to be the weakest OT class of the last 4 years. Why? Because we got Cantwell committed so no one mentions it.

Here are the 247 OT Composite rankings

2023
Four 5 stars
10 top 100 OTs

2024
Three 5 stars
7 top 100 OTs

2025
Four 5 stars
12 top 100 OTs

2026
Three 5 stars
6 Top 100 OTs
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Spot on!

If we had USC's DL class, three top 100, there wouldn't be a peep about a down year.
 
786Cane said:
I hope so too! Not 100 in him... yet! I wasn't sold on Dawson or Guidry either. Still not sold on Dawson as I believe that a lot of that was Cam; but I hope that he proves me wrong. I will gladly take the L!
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Guidry started off promising then turned into a complete dud, still can’t wrap my mind around how incompetent he looked this yr.. sat back n watched us get bludgeoned every game 0 adjustments.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
We did beat a 7-6 TAMU in 2023. Then we went 5-6 for the remainder of that season, including the most inexcusably stupid loss in UM history, 3 losses in November, and a loss to Rutgers in the tough-n-physical bowl.

Whatever "positive momentum" or "good will" may have been generated by beating TAMU (and Clemson) in 2023, it evaporated when we ended the season "the Miami Way" (i.e., with multiple conference losses in November and an L in a mid bowl game).

So would winning help high-end recruitng at UM? I don't know. And I don't understand how anyone can speak so confidently on the subject when we haven't won **** in ~20 years.
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I agree with everything you’re saying lol..that win meant nothing in the grand scheme of how Elite recruits view us
 
BALLHAWKU said:
Someone have when cooper is supposed to announce
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No. He announced he was not committing when he originally announced he would, which was either tomorrow or Saturday, I can't remember. But either way, he said he's not committing on the original date and has not said when he would.
 
I said it before but all this hand wringing over recruiting is pointless. The thing thats hilding us back is winning and producing draft picks. Cristobal last 3 full classes at Oregon, was #7,#13 and #6. He also had a good one going when he came here. Lanning went there off the back off that, plus nike NIL, Big Ten and also doing well on the field and took it to another level.

Thats the combination we need. The players we need are not shunning us for Tennessee or Ole Miss type. We are losing key recruits to UGA, Texas, Bama and Ohio. That's now the holy grail of recruiting.

We have to match their results on the field. Be playing in the post season against them.

This is down to coaching. We have consistently out recruited Michigan and ND. They were in the last 2 national title games, winning 1. So you can win big, especially in the ACC. Our problem including recruiting, has come from terrible hires especially on defense. That is where Cristobal needs to be highly criticized.

For me Cristobal tenure comes down to if Heatherman is the guy at DC. We have the players to win the ACC and make the playoffs. Its very simple now. NIL is fine but kids will get NIL at Ohio, UGA, Texas or Bama. They wanna go pro as well.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Guidry started off promising then turned into a complete dud, still can’t wrap my mind around how incompetent he looked this yr.. sat back n watched us get bludgeoned every game 0 adjustments.
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I think 2023 was his honeymoon but if you go back the signs were always there with Guidry. When Chaney fumbled vs GT(He didn't fumble. How the refs didn't overturn that is wild) GT had 26 seconds to go 75 yards with 0 timeouts. Guidry let them go 75 yards in 25 seconds. The guy was always an in over his head A$$hat. We just didn't want to see the evidence plus TVD went braindead so it was easy to blame the offense. Guidry essentially got bailed out by an NFL safety tandem and one of the best true freshman seasons for a UM DE(Bain).
 
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FrancisSawyer said:
I think 2023 was his honeymoon but if you go back the signs were always there with Guidry. When Chaney fumbled vs GT(He didn't fumble. How the refs didn't overturn that is wild) GT had 26 seconds to go 75 yards with 0 timeouts. Guidry let them go 75 yards in 25 seconds. The guy was always an in over his head A$$hat. We just didn't want to see the evidence plus TVD went braindead so it was easy to blame the offense. Guidry essentially got bailed out by an NFL safety tandem and one of the best true freshman seasons for a UM DE(Bain).
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All facts. I look at coordinators like two boxers in the ring going at it, imagine fighting someone who you KNOW will never throw a counter punch 😂.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
I think 2023 was his honeymoon but if you go back the signs were always there with Guidry. When Chaney fumbled vs GT(He didn't fumble. How the refs didn't overturn that is wild) GT had 26 seconds to go 75 yards with 0 timeouts. Guidry let them go 75 yards in 25 seconds. The guy was always an in over his head A$$hat. We just didn't want to see the evidence plus TVD went braindead so it was easy to blame the offense. Guidry essentially got bailed out by an NFL safety tandem and one of the best true freshman seasons for a UM DE(Bain).
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Sadly I remember that last few minutes of that GT game all too well and not sure the defensive collapse was on Guidry. There were two backbreaking plays. One was basically a hail mary wherein the DB mistimed his jump and the WR pushed off AND made a ridiculous juggling catch along the sideline. And the TD play Kam had deep half but bit on an out cut trying to be the hero and make an INT rather than playing it safe.
 
JHallCanes said:
Mario’s first year really put us in a tough spot

He had to rebuild a rebuild (I don’t agree with that word for us but just for arguments sake)

The 2022 class was a colossal failure and even worse his 2022 coaching staff has had to be entirely replaced, and not because they got promotions

Follow that up with a bad 2023 class and more coaches needing replaced

People can talk to me about patience all day long, and in some ways it’s correct, but we ****ed up. Badly. Here we are still trying to fix it.

I feel like we have turned the corner very slowly but we are there. But it’s also why I get agitated when people start defending him because we are in a better spot than we were

We are in a better spot. The one HE created.

You can blame Manny all you want but this is Mario’s mess he’s cleaning up
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2022-2023 was "Trust the Evals" season -- Zo rated cluster****s.
 
JHallCanes said:
Mario’s first year really put us in a tough spot

He had to rebuild a rebuild (I don’t agree with that word for us but just for arguments sake)

The 2022 class was a colossal failure and even worse his 2022 coaching staff has had to be entirely replaced, and not because they got promotions

Follow that up with a bad 2023 class and more coaches needing replaced

People can talk to me about patience all day long, and in some ways it’s correct, but we ****ed up. Badly. Here we are still trying to fix it.

I feel like we have turned the corner very slowly but we are there. But it’s also why I get agitated when people start defending him because we are in a better spot than we were

We are in a better spot. The one HE created.

You can blame Manny all you want but this is Mario’s mess he’s cleaning up
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Buuut CIS says he’s an “Elite recruiter”
 
Angry Ibis said:
2022-2023 was "Trust the Evals" season -- Zo rated cluster****s.
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It’s always a paradox because we wanna comment and discuss things in the moment but the truth usually takes a few years

Him and Cornrow Mike were both very savvy in that they understood to set the bar very very low at first

**** Mike is about to pull it off twice
 
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Either recruit at an elite level or develop players at an elite level. I think most of us would be fine if we had a HC that landed the the #15 class but we won 10+ games, had 10+ players get drafted into nfl each year, with 3-4 of those players being 1st rounders.
 
supacane said:
I said it before but all this hand wringing over recruiting is pointless. The thing thats hilding us back is winning and producing draft picks. Cristobal last 3 full classes at Oregon, was #7,#13 and #6. He also had a good one going when he came here. Lanning went there off the back off that, plus nike NIL, Big Ten and also doing well on the field and took it to another level.

Thats the combination we need. The players we need are not shunning us for Tennessee or Ole Miss type. We are losing key recruits to UGA, Texas, Bama and Ohio. That's now the holy grail of recruiting.

We have to match their results on the field. Be playing in the post season against them.

This is down to coaching. We have consistently out recruited Michigan and ND. They were in the last 2 national title games, winning 1. So you can win big, especially in the ACC. Our problem including recruiting, has come from terrible hires especially on defense. That is where Cristobal needs to be highly criticized.

For me Cristobal tenure comes down to if Heatherman is the guy at DC. We have the players to win the ACC and make the playoffs. Its very simple now. NIL is fine but kids will get NIL at Ohio, UGA, Texas or Bama. They wanna go pro as well.
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I think you're describing a chicken and the egg situation as to which came first. You can't have one without the other (Recruiting and winning/draft picks). I agree whole heartedly abou the hand wringing part. That is pointless.
 
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