Wow

[Calinative]

Who is Coach Sniff?

Dennis

 

[Rellyrell]

The staff just needs to quit ******* around and make 2 key hires off the field. They know who they are. I promise you WR and DB recruiting would be the best we have ever had.

I know exactly who u’re talking about, too:

Benjamin & Grant

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

I don’t disagree in this particular instance.

But ask me is anything different if we’d won our last 10 “meaningless” bowl games and Id think so.

At some point those meaningless events accumulate into something meaningful. It says something when the program loses meaningless games as consistently as Miami has over the last 2 decades. I think recruits do feel that.

Yea we’ve been irrelevant in bowl games but a lot of kids nowadays especially in our recruiting base are frontrunners..winning lower/mid tier bowl games we’ve been to the last 10-15 years doesn’t move the needle with them at all..In terms of swaying top recruits with on the field acumen you need Conference Titles and playoff appearances to appeal to them. If you don’t have those things you throw as much money as you can at them n hope for the best.

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

I’ll just say had we won that “meaningful” bowl game the same cast of characters would’ve been on here claiming that 11-2 was a fake mirage because we missed out on the ACCCG n Playoffs (which i actually agree with)…… but fast forward all of a sudden now them same will tell u that the tarts bowl was a must win game for the trajectory and perception of our program ..ain’t nannn elite recruit gave 2 ***** about the outcome of the pop tart bowl. Choose another excuse

 

[Caneofcanes]

Don't let facts get in the way. Recency bias is a mother ******

The staff just needs to quit ******* around and make 2 key hires off the field. They know who they are. I promise you WR and DB recruiting would be the best we have ever had.

Who are the replacements? I thought this DB coach was connected or a good one.

 

[Caneofcanes]

Yea we’ve been irrelevant in bowl games but a lot of kids nowadays especially in our recruiting base are frontrunners..winning lower/mid tier bowl games we’ve been to the last 10-15 years doesn’t move the needle with them at all..In terms of swaying top recruits with on the field acumen you need Conference Titles and playoff appearances to appeal to them. If you don’t have those things you throw as much money as you can at them n hope for the best.

TEXAS A&M

 

[Alex_Dynamix]

TEXAS A&M

Yall love bringing them up lol 1. we dont
Trump them in NIL by any stretch 2. they’ve put more top 3 round draft picks in the league then us since these recruits were old enough to care 3. They’ve been more relevant than us for the better part of these kids lives. I’ll keep saying it money & top draft picks is what matters most to 2025 & beyond recruits in regards to Miami, winning is an added plus. When the money is the same or similar A&M has more to sell right now sadly(sans OL)

 

[cway313]

Yall love bringing them up lol 1. we dont
Trump them in NIL by any stretch 2. they’ve put more top 3 round draft picks in the league then us since these recruits were old enough to care 3. They’ve been more relevant than us for the better part of these kids lives. I’ll keep saying it money & top draft picks is what matters most to 2025 & beyond recruits in regards to Miami, winning is an added plus. When the money is the same or similar A&M has more to sell right now sadly(sans OL)

 

[MoneybaggCANES]

Yall love bringing them up lol 1. we dont
Trump them in NIL by any stretch 2. they’ve put more top 3 round draft picks in the league then us since these recruits were old enough to care 3. They’ve been more relevant than us for the better part of these kids lives. I’ll keep saying it money & top draft picks is what matters most to 2025 & beyond recruits in regards to Miami, winning is an added plus. When the money is the same or similar A&M has more to sell right now sadly(sans OL)

TEXAS A&M

 

[Dgixxer252525]

For the millionth time, winning doesn’t matter 1/2 as much as you guys think it does. Kids don’t give a **** if they win. They want to play, they want to get to the league, and most importantly they want to get PAID.

 

[TheToadSage]

I know exactly who u’re talking about, too:

Benjamin & Grant

Ahem, Phil Knight…..

 

[RealRussellPumps]

The staff just needs to quit ******* around and make 2 key hires off the field. They know who they are. I promise you WR and DB recruiting would be the best we have ever had.

With how many people on this board have connections to the staff, you all better start banging down the doors for whoever it is 1mur is talking about here lol.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Bro th

Bro the sky isn't falling. WTF is your problem. Are you crying? it's going to be okay. It's a process. We are stacking. Just not to your standards. Then again who gives a flying f@ck about your opinion. Your opinion is just that. Sh@tty

Just curious - why does Mario get the benefit of the doubt for “stacking”, but not his predecessors?

Not even trying to start an argument, just looking for takes from the other side of fandom. Trying to understand the rationale and break down the perspective. I agree the sky is not falling, but it’s not sunshine and daisies either. We’ve underachieved three seasons in a row. That’s not arguable, and that should not be the standard under Mario. I think all of us would agree we expect more, or at least were sold on more.

Year 4 is his make or break here imo. And again imo, he has more than enough talent that anything less than 10-2 and an ACCCG appearance is an utter failure; consequently, he should be put on the lukewarm seat (won’t happen even if we miss the ACCCG).

There’s also another argument to be made that we’re not stacking classes efficiently, but rather skewed positionally year over year. Chasing our tail at the culmination of a season, rather than jumping in front of the issue. One year it’s because of X. The next year it’s because of Y. Then it’s because of Z. But again, another discussion for another day. I’ve taken the approach this offseason of keeping it in PMs to people that actually have football intelligence, and enjoying the ride / the inevitable war that is to come in late August against ND.

 

[jtwist89]

The staff just needs to quit ******* around and make 2 key hires off the field. They know who they are. I promise you WR and DB recruiting would be the best we have ever had.

Whos responsible for the CB recruiting success now? Harris or Etheridge? Its the most success we have had that I can remember.

 

[Zombie-Cane]

Just curious - why does Mario get the benefit of the doubt for “stacking” but not his predecessors?

Not even trying to start an argument, just looking for takes from the other side of fandom. Trying to understand the rationale and break down the perspective.

Year 4 is his make or break here imo. And again imo, he has more than enough talent that anything less than 10-2 and an ACCCG appearance is an utter failure; consequently, he should be put on the lukewarm seat (won’t happen, and even reading that, the bully slurpers are about to swarm).

There’s also another argument to be made that we’re not stacking clases (unless you’re just staring at a recruiting ranking), but rather skewed positionally year over year. Chasing our tail at the culmination of a season, rather than jumping in front of the issue. But again, another discussion for another day. I’ve taken the approach of keeping it in PMs to people that actually have football intelligence, and enjoying the ride / the inevitable war that is to come in late August against ND.

Not disagreeing with your post at all, but who before Mario was actually stacking? When I hear stacking, I think quality, there was not very much quality prior to Mario. Sure, Manny got the 4 and 5 stars to commit early only to lose them all before NSD. Again, I agree with your overall post, just asking.

 

[BrandCanes]

****, we have been so far out of the game with the entire organization. Please get results on the field and make the necessary couple of changes. It seems like we're close.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Not disagreeing with your post at all, but who before Mario was actually stacking? When I hear stacking, I think quality, there was not very much quality prior to Mario. Sure, Manny got the 4 and 5 stars to commit early only to lose them all before NSD. Again, I agree with your overall post, just asking.

Great point and I didn’t explain it clearly enough. I guess what I’m saying is I have sort of changed my tune on what stacking classes really means. I no longer look at recruiting rankings as the sole metric for what warrants a strong program. Manny, Richt, Golden, Shannon had some shiny names at certain positions, but not the star rating Mario’s has averaged. That is very true and a positive trajectory for us. Not arguable. Are we better off than our predecessors? Absolutely. Now whether you want to argue it’s because we actually started investing in the program when Mario demanded it, NIL became a weapon at our disposal etc, well I’ll leave that up to you guys. It’s a mix of both arguments.

Depth, consistency, and lack of holes year over year are the biggest things to me now. When I look at UGA, TAMU, Alabama, LSU, ND, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, etc - aka the big dogs that by rankings, we do compete with - the one thing a lot of these classes have (besides hitting on more evaluations SO FAR imo), is that they have balance. The talent is not skewed towards one or two positions. So far, we’ve tended to have elite elite OL recruits (who would ever say no to that) and one class loaded at DL, then meh the next etc. A lot of these programs bring in at least one elite talent at each position year over year. They don’t struggle with DL recruiting one class, then CB and WR the next, then Safety etc.

ND, Texas has as impressive of a two deep in the trenches on both sides of the ball as anyone in the country. Bama has virtually no weaknesses entering this season (while maybe not the elite talent as the top 3-4 teams, they’re a “sleeper” if that’s even possible to imagine). Oregon, Ohio State and UGA reload and just signed monster balanced classes, etc.

Now I understand the spin was that we spent a lot of money retaining players on the current roster that were flirting with other programs (that in itself is a double-edged sword, the players are coveted, but they clearly aren’t bending over backwards to stay at Miami for whatever reason….). Which now means, the evals better be on point.

We’re going to find out A LOT about Mario Cristobal and Miami in terms of program building this very season, and while some may misconstrue and twist my words into a negative spin, I am very excited to see what unfolds. I could see us going 11-1, and I could see us going 7-5 if disaster strikes.

I realize I went on a bit of a tangent here, but SparkNotes version - recruiting rankings aren’t enough. It’s talent and abundance that is the key, and I don’t think anyone has challenged Mario regarding this topic. That coupled with the evaluations (which again, have not lived up to expectations amongst his recruiting classes to date, but this year is a massive swing year).

 

[Zombie-Cane]

Great point and I didn’t explain it clearly enough. I guess what I’m saying is I have sort of changed my tune on what stacking classes really means. I no longer look at recruiting rankings as the sole metric for what warrants a strong program. Manny, Richt, Golden, Shannon had some shiny names at certain positions, but not the star rating Mario’s has averaged. That is very true and a positive trajectory for us. Not arguable. Are we better off than our predecessors? Absolutely. Now whether you want to argue it’s because we actually started investing in the program when Mario demanded it, NIL became a weapon at our disposal etc, well I’ll leave that up to you guys. It’s a mix of both arguments.

Depth, consistency, and lack of holes year over year are the biggest things to me now. When I look at UGA, TAMU, Alabama, LSU, ND, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, etc - aka the big dogs that by rankings, we do compete with - the one thing a lot of these classes have (besides hitting on more evaluations SO FAR imo), is that they have balance. The talent is not skewed towards one or two positions. So far, we’ve tended to have elite elite OL recruits (who would ever say no to that) and one class loaded at DL, then meh the next etc. A lot of these programs bring in at least one elite talent at each position year over year. They don’t struggle with DL recruiting one class, then CB and WR the next, then Safety etc.

ND, Texas has as impressive of a two deep on both sides of the ball as anyone in the country. Bama has virtually no weaknesses entering this season (while maybe not the elite talent as the top 3-4 teams, they’re a “sleeper” if that’s even possible to imagine). Oregon, Ohio State and UGA reload and just signed monster balanced classes, etc.

Now I understand the spin was that we spent a lot of money retaining players on the current roster that were flirting with other programs (that in itself is a double-edged sword, the players are coveted, but they clearly aren’t bending over backwards to stay at Miami for whatever reason….). Which now means, the evals better be on point.

We’re going to find out A LOT about Mario Cristobal and Miami in terms of program building this very season, and while some may misconstrue and twist my words into a negative spin, I am very excited to see what unfolds. I could see us going 11-1, and I could see us going 7-5 if disaster strikes.

I realize I went on a bit of a tangent here, but SparkNotes version - recruiting rankings aren’t enough. It’s talent and abundance that is the key, and I don’t think anyone has challenged Mario regarding this topic. that and the evaluations (which again, have not lived up to expectations amongst his recruiting classes to date, but this year is a massive swing year).

My dude! Very solid!! Thank you.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

My dude! Very solid!! Thank you.

Appreciate it, just one diehard Canes fan trying to temper expectations and educate people on how to get to where we all want to be as quickly as possible…but more importantly, SUSTAIN the success. We’ve seen time and time again, how often we have to dip into the portal for massive holes. I want a dynasty, not a one-off.

What would we have done if we didn’t snag corners, safeties, Blay at DT, a QB, a RB that surprise surprise, might end up being a very large contributor for us (I like brown btw, as with many portal addictions)….its all due to holes in recruiting. Holes every other year, or every year, that we fail to adhere to. Almost spelt disaster for Mario in Y4, but luckily (on paper), we addressed quite a few in terms of starting caliber players. Still not there yet from a full roster / depth perspective, in fact I shudder at a lot of positions and depth guys in the event we suffer injuries.

Just certain things Mario and co can be better at in the future, and take us to the next level.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Great point and I didn’t explain it clearly enough. I guess what I’m saying is I have sort of changed my tune on what stacking classes really means. I no longer look at recruiting rankings as the sole metric for what warrants a strong program. Manny, Richt, Golden, Shannon had some shiny names at certain positions, but not the star rating Mario’s has averaged. That is very true and a positive trajectory for us. Not arguable. Are we better off than our predecessors? Absolutely. Now whether you want to argue it’s because we actually started investing in the program when Mario demanded it, NIL became a weapon at our disposal etc, well I’ll leave that up to you guys. It’s a mix of both arguments.

Depth, consistency, and lack of holes year over year are the biggest things to me now. When I look at UGA, TAMU, Alabama, LSU, ND, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, etc - aka the big dogs that by rankings, we do compete with - the one thing a lot of these classes have (besides hitting on more evaluations SO FAR imo), is that they have balance. The talent is not skewed towards one or two positions. So far, we’ve tended to have elite elite OL recruits (who would ever say no to that) and one class loaded at DL, then meh the next etc. A lot of these programs bring in at least one elite talent at each position year over year. They don’t struggle with DL recruiting one class, then CB and WR the next, then Safety etc.

ND, Texas has as impressive of a two deep in the trenches on both sides of the ball as anyone in the country. Bama has virtually no weaknesses entering this season (while maybe not the elite talent as the top 3-4 teams, they’re a “sleeper” if that’s even possible to imagine). Oregon, Ohio State and UGA reload and just signed monster balanced classes, etc.

Now I understand the spin was that we spent a lot of money retaining players on the current roster that were flirting with other programs (that in itself is a double-edged sword, the players are coveted, but they clearly aren’t bending over backwards to stay at Miami for whatever reason….). Which now means, the evals better be on point.

We’re going to find out A LOT about Mario Cristobal and Miami in terms of program building this very season, and while some may misconstrue and twist my words into a negative spin, I am very excited to see what unfolds. I could see us going 11-1, and I could see us going 7-5 if disaster strikes.

I realize I went on a bit of a tangent here, but SparkNotes version - recruiting rankings aren’t enough. It’s talent and abundance that is the key, and I don’t think anyone has challenged Mario regarding this topic. That coupled with the evaluations (which again, have not lived up to expectations amongst his recruiting classes to date, but this year is a massive swing year).

This is a question, not an attack or even disagreement. Do you think some of the imbalance with the recruiting across positions - holes/depth was how you referred to it - is due to a lack of talent at certain positions in certain years? In other words, I personally think this is a down year for DTs in terms of quantity of high quality dudes. There’s Lamar Brown and JJ, then I feel a decent drop off. (Pardon me if I missed someone). Thoughts?