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Worse power 5 coaches than Shannon and golden

Tad Footeball said:
Give James Franklin about 1 more year before you're able to seriously discuss him in this thread. That clown and his buzzwords and phony ra-ra nonsense is just Golden with a little more skin color and slightly more energy.
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He did awesome at Vandy though. And the situation at PSU is awful. If Golden had bolted PSU before 2014 he'd be able to excuse his mediocre seasons for quite a while because of the sanctions.
 
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RocketsandCanes said:
Charlie Weiss was pretty terrible. Lane Kiffin sucked ballzack with a TON of talent. Whoever just got fired from Iowa State. Every Colorado coach since 1995. Brady Hoke was super incompetent.
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Colorado. Man, talk about a program that fell off the face of the Earth to never return. I feel old even remembering when they were good. Kinda surprising that a party school in Boulder with a fairly ravenous pro football fanbase statewide would allow such garbage on the college level to exist for so long- especially after tasting relevancy. Must be the weed.
 
Orangebowl said:
I actually wanted this thread to be about guys worse than Golden, not every bit as bad.
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I think the Gator coach will be a bust. I think Pruitt is a bust in the making, Muffchamp is just as bad but he has T Rob with him who can recruit.
 
Orangebowl said:
I actually wanted this thread to be about guys worse than Golden, not every bit as bad.
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Darrell Hazell currently at Purdue might be the worst current coach at a name program. 6-30 overall and 2-22 in conference. Was also hired like Golden based on his previous perceived success in the MAC and is a Jersey guy. Was also on the same staff at Rutgers as Donofrio.
 
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sebastiansbill said:
Dirty Sprite said:
This dude said Charlie Strong, a coach that beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl / beat Baylor and Oklahoma last year, is worse than Golden lol
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He beat Baylor because Baylor was playing with their 4th string QB who was a converted wide receiver. Once Art Briles finally realized you can't pass under those circumstances Baylor nearly overcame a 20 point deficit to win that game. Not an impressive win for UT in the least. He's 11-14 at Texas and would be 10-15 if he hadn't totally lucked out with the Baylor QB injury. He only got to the Sugar Bowl because of Terry Bridgewater and the coach he beat in the Sugar Bowl was Will Muschamp. Wow.

Until Charlie Strong can at least get his record at UT over .500 I'll view him as worse than Golden.
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Lol if ur point of view makes sense to you kudos
 
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I think Mike London has a winning record against Golden. But he's still a bum.
 
lauderdaleballer said:
sebastiansbill said:
Dirty Sprite said:
This dude said Charlie Strong, a coach that beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl / beat Baylor and Oklahoma last year, is worse than Golden lol
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He beat Baylor because Baylor was playing with their 4th string QB who was a converted wide receiver. Once Art Briles finally realized you can't pass under those circumstances Baylor nearly overcame a 20 point deficit to win that game. Not an impressive win for UT in the least. He's 11-14 at Texas and would be 10-15 if he hadn't totally lucked out with the Baylor QB injury. He only got to the Sugar Bowl because of Terry Bridgewater and the coach he beat in the Sugar Bowl was Will Muschamp. Wow.

Until Charlie Strong can at least get his record at UT over .500 I'll view him as worse than Golden.
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There is no way you can argue that Al is better than Strong. Dude has accomplished more at UT than Al ever did and Strong's tenure has been putrid. You discredit his victory against Baylor but didn't they demolish UNC in the bowl? And dude beat OU last year. There is no way you can defend Al anymore.
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Why do you guys even need to discuss Strong at Texas when comparing him to Folden? Strong completely destroyed Folden head to head at fcking Loserville. Then, his players turned around and whipped Folden a few months later without all the best players from the Russell Bowl beatdown.
 
The Franchise said:
lauderdaleballer said:
sebastiansbill said:
Dirty Sprite said:
This dude said Charlie Strong, a coach that beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl / beat Baylor and Oklahoma last year, is worse than Golden lol
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He beat Baylor because Baylor was playing with their 4th string QB who was a converted wide receiver. Once Art Briles finally realized you can't pass under those circumstances Baylor nearly overcame a 20 point deficit to win that game. Not an impressive win for UT in the least. He's 11-14 at Texas and would be 10-15 if he hadn't totally lucked out with the Baylor QB injury. He only got to the Sugar Bowl because of Terry Bridgewater and the coach he beat in the Sugar Bowl was Will Muschamp. Wow.

Until Charlie Strong can at least get his record at UT over .500 I'll view him as worse than Golden.
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There is no way you can argue that Al is better than Strong. Dude has accomplished more at UT than Al ever did and Strong's tenure has been putrid. You discredit his victory against Baylor but didn't they demolish UNC in the bowl? And dude beat OU last year. There is no way you can defend Al anymore.
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Why do you guys even need to discuss Strong at Texas when comparing him to Folden? Strong completely destroyed Folden head to head at fcking Loserville. Then, his players turned around and whipped Folden a few months later without all the best players from the Russell Bowl beatdown.
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Petrino won the second time, not strong. Anyway, when you have terry Bridgewater playing in the Big East it's no achievement to do well. Especially when you get the prize of facing Muschamp in the sugar bowl. I wouldn't rate strong worse than golden yet but I'd say he's yet to prove he's better.
 
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Orangebowl said:
The Franchise said:
lauderdaleballer said:
sebastiansbill said:
Dirty Sprite said:
This dude said Charlie Strong, a coach that beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl / beat Baylor and Oklahoma last year, is worse than Golden lol
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He beat Baylor because Baylor was playing with their 4th string QB who was a converted wide receiver. Once Art Briles finally realized you can't pass under those circumstances Baylor nearly overcame a 20 point deficit to win that game. Not an impressive win for UT in the least. He's 11-14 at Texas and would be 10-15 if he hadn't totally lucked out with the Baylor QB injury. He only got to the Sugar Bowl because of Terry Bridgewater and the coach he beat in the Sugar Bowl was Will Muschamp. Wow.

Until Charlie Strong can at least get his record at UT over .500 I'll view him as worse than Golden.
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There is no way you can argue that Al is better than Strong. Dude has accomplished more at UT than Al ever did and Strong's tenure has been putrid. You discredit his victory against Baylor but didn't they demolish UNC in the bowl? And dude beat OU last year. There is no way you can defend Al anymore.
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Why do you guys even need to discuss Strong at Texas when comparing him to Folden? Strong completely destroyed Folden head to head at fcking Loserville. Then, his players turned around and whipped Folden a few months later without all the best players from the Russell Bowl beatdown.
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Petrino won the second time, not strong. Anyway, when you have terry Bridgewater playing in the Big East it's no achievement to do well. Especially when you get the prize of facing Muschamp in the sugar bowl. I wouldn't rate strong worse than golden yet but I'd say he's yet to prove he's better.
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I'm done with you. You're not worthy of wasting time with.
 
The Franchise said:
Orangebowl said:
DTP said:
I think Mike London has a winning record against Golden. But he's still a bum.
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He does. But golden does better in the other
11-12 games a year so Golden's probably a bit better.
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So if I kick your *** up and down the street 3 times but get my *** kicked by a better fighter than you that means you're better than me? Good stuff.
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Well he's also lost to some teams Golden beat. In 2014, UVA beat Miami head to head. But they also lost to 3 teams Miami had won against (Va Tech, UNC and Duke.) Head to head isn't the only measure. I'd call Golden and London a wash. If I were held at gunpoint about who I'd prefer as coach I might say Golden by a hair but hard to say. I also would probably pick Strong over Golden if I were being held at gunpoint but he's not that much better.

I'll concede that finding coaches who are clearly worse than Golden is hard. But acting as if there aren't plenty of equally bad coaches is a little absurd.
 
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cflacane2 said:
Moro said:
Actually Shannon is a better coach than what you are putting out there. He excelled at each position he coached as an assistant and DC. He was one of the top available hires as a DC in the country before getting the HC position at Miami. After only receiving a 4 yr contract for 4 mil and nothing to pay Top Tier OC's and DC's, today one wouldn't be surprised by the results. But one would have to assume the success he would have had if given the money to hire coordinators. Randy consistently brought in recruiting classes ranked in the top 25. Three members of his second recruiting class—Marcus Forston, Marcus Robinson, and Sean Spence—were recognized by College Football News as freshman All-Americans.

On January 5, 2015, the University of Florida announced that the Florida Gators' new head coach Jim McElwain had hired Shannon as the Gators' associate head coach, co-defensive coordinator and linebackers coach. McElwain stated that Shannon was at the top of his list for potential assistants, and media sports commentators opined that Shannon would be a significant recruiting asset for McElwain and the Gators.

Today we can admit that the last regime failed to develop the talent on those teams. Some day we will also admit that the Administration failed to pay for qualified Coordinators and Assistants so that Shannon could succeed. Truth be told, the Administration contributed a lot more money for Golden to be successful.
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That's a flatout exaggeration, it was well known how many bridges shannon burnt during his recruiting days in miami and i'd challenge to look at his body of work regarding camps and not laugh. He'll get a few kids because he's from SFL and because he's a black coach (see teddy bridgewater) but he wouldn't even rank in the top 20 of coaches who recruit SFL.

There are no excuses for Randy he's a decent position coach and coordinator but he's not a HC at all. Name 1 thing he excelled at as a HC....or better yet name one coordinator under shannon that excelled. Part of a HC's job and contract negotiations is to inspire the Admin to spend on quality support staff, with the money he was given he could've at least afforded 1-2 solid hires. He was terrible at player development, terrible at recruiting (don't even mention his 1st class which was 80% failure), terrible at motivating players (see randy shannons doghouse), terrible at game management, and terrible at roster management (see the roster golden inherited).




And then there was the last game in orange bowl vs UVA....
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I've never understood why some people think Shannon was unfairly fired or was any better than Golden. Honestly I consider Shannon to be somewhat worse than Golden since he inherited a program that had gone 71-16 in the 7 years before his hiring. I'm not sure I can buy into the idea of inheriting a program that had gone .816 in the previous 7 years being difficult even if the previous year's record had been 7-6. Rebuilding a program that's been awful for 5 years (Golden's problem) seems considerably tougher than rebuilding one that's been awful for 1 year (Shannon's problem.)
 
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