Why do we refuse to play with any kind of tempo?

[The canesman]

I didn’t expect to see the team play like they did yesterday. It was great watching the young players get in there. I have no problem with the performance of the offense or defense. My only com-plaint are the refs. Once again its a cane thing !!!!

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

Which top team is doing that so I can compare our plays and drives to theirs?

Texas Tech for one. And they’re a good comparison. Huge talent advantage in a dog **** conference. They take full advantage. Yesterday against the #58 scoring defense and 46 yard against defense they came out with drives of

1st quarter
4-75 1:03 TD
6-58 2:53 TD
3 -6 punt

2nd quarter
13-51 4:05 TD
2- -2 safety on a hold in the end zone
4-44 1:49 TD
3-23 1:02 TD
6-60 1:02 FG

8 drives in the first half and they’re up 38-2 6 scoring drives. We had 11 possessions all game. Balanced attack as well. 290 through the air and 200 on the ground.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Texas Tech for one. And they’re a good comparison. Huge talent advantage in a dog **** conference. They take full advantage. Yesterday against the #58 scoring defense and 46 yard against defense they came out with drives of

1st quarter
4-75 1:03 TD
6-58 2:53 TD
3 -6 punt

2nd quarter
13-51 4:05 TD
2- -2 safety on a hold in the end zone
4-44 1:49 TD
3-23 1:02 TD
6-60 1:02 FG

So they had two easy short fields, one plodding 13-play drive, settled for a field goal, and punted.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

100. It's ridiculous. Everyone here except for the rare crazy just wants the team to do well. I don't get why folks fight a civil war every day and question fellow Canes Fans' loyalty. Guess it's the human condition.

Sure agree the greater our point differential the better it is for us, but at this point we severely need help in the form of other teams ahead of us losing to have a chance. I don't think we have a shot to get an at large bid without getting help even if we beat the last two teams 99-0. @Angry Ibis had a good point in another thread today: had we beaten ND, FSU, UF more impressively we might not be in the position of needing so much help. I'm not sure a slightly faster offensive tempo is the ticket to that, I lean more towards we have given away too many points this year with negative plays and penalties when we have been driving.

Cheers

Who knows if it'll make a difference or not, but it cant hurt. So considering were on the outside looking in, and needing help, ill prefer to absolutely maximize our scores.

I think dominant performances can have use jump Utah, Vandy and BYU. Also, you have to keep potential teams behind you at bay. USC and Michigan are two teams that can jump us as they have big games coming up.

But yes, we need help to get in. The concept of ppl wanting us to score as many points as we are capable of doesnt seem like an outlandish one to me.

 

[TaylorWalls]

The concept of ppl wanting us to score as many points as we are capable of doesnt seem like an outlandish one to me.

The faulty assumption is that running to the line to run plays quicker automatically results in more points. If Beck or the OL can't handle that, it hurts more than it helps.

 

[brcane1]

You guys want to know why we think you're miserable just to be miserable?

Indiana, with their cutting edge head coach and offense, ran 62 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Oregon, with the guy who saved them from Mario, ran 63 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.
Ohio State, the best team in college football, ran 67 plays in 10 drives in a blowout against an overmatched opponent.

Miami, with our plodding meathead head coach and offense that is trying to slow the game down, ran 70 plays on 11 drives.

But yeah, if we would just stop trying to play ball control by running it up the middle, we could have more drives and more plays.

This is why your "criticism" is stupid.

We had the longest time of possession of your four by far.

Despite weeks of criticism we were still the 2nd slowest pace only behind Indiana who played the worst team and had the worst game of the four.

Team	Time of Possession (TOP)	Plays	Time per Play
Indiana Hoosiers	33:58 ( = 33.9667 min) (ESPN.com)	62 plays (as per your note)	33.9667 ÷ 62 ≈ 0.548 min/play → ~ 32.9 seconds/play
Oregon Ducks	29:36 ( = 29.6000 min) (FOX Sports)	63 plays (as per your note)	29.6000 ÷ 63 ≈ 0.470 min/play → ~ 28.2 seconds/play
Ohio State Buckeyes	34:46 ( = 34.7667 min) (FreePlays)	67 plays (as per your note)	34.7667 ÷ 67 ≈ 0.519 min/play → ~ 31.1 seconds/play
Miami Hurricanes	36:43 ( = 36.7167 min) (per your figure)	70 plays (as per your note)	36.7167 ÷ 70 ≈ 0.525 min/play → ~ 31.5 seconds/play

 

[TaylorWalls]

We had the longest time of possession of your four by far.

Despite weeks of criticism we were still the 2nd slowest pace only behind Indiana who played the worst team and had the worst game of the four.

Team	Time of Possession (TOP)	Plays	Time per Play
Indiana Hoosiers	33:58 ( = 33.9667 min) (ESPN.com)	62 plays (as per your note)	33.9667 ÷ 62 ≈ 0.548 min/play → ~ 32.9 seconds/play
Oregon Ducks	29:36 ( = 29.6000 min) (FOX Sports)	63 plays (as per your note)	29.6000 ÷ 63 ≈ 0.470 min/play → ~ 28.2 seconds/play
Ohio State Buckeyes	34:46 ( = 34.7667 min) (FreePlays)	67 plays (as per your note)	34.7667 ÷ 67 ≈ 0.519 min/play → ~ 31.1 seconds/play
Miami Hurricanes	36:43 ( = 36.7167 min) (per your figure)	70 plays (as per your note)	36.7167 ÷ 70 ≈ 0.525 min/play → ~ 31.5 seconds/play

Hold up......we spent 4 tenths of a second more than Ohio State? 4 tenths of a second?
And we ran a faster pace than the coach who is supposedly running a 4D modernized offense?

But we are slow and plodding and trying to run out the clock in the first quarter?

Good lord.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

The faulty assumption is that running to the line to run plays quicker automatically results in more points. If Beck or the OL can't handle that, it hurts more than it helps.

so being less than efficient offensively means we should run less plays and have less possessions and that will equal more points? There is no world in where your premise makes any sense. Lashlee was moderately successful here not because of the system but because we had a bad OL that couldn’t run block (and no I’m not advocating for a Lashlee style system). T Tech runs an air raid/spread with tempo). We have by far the most talent in the ACC. You run the same plays you did yesterday you just do it at a faster pace. It’s not rocket surgery.

 

[brcane1]

Hold up......we spent 4 tenths of a second more than Ohio State? 4 tenths of a second?
And we ran a faster pace than the coach who is supposedly running a 4D modernized offense?

But we are slow and plodding and trying to run out the clock in the first quarter?

Good lord.

Cherry pick the suckeyes, but Oregon is 10%(!) faster which might as well be a mile and are he better comp.

That 0.4 for OSU is an extra play or two over the course of a game, enough for us to maybe win @SMU.

Oregon's nearly 4 seconds would be an extra drive. We'd be undefeated with one more drive a game.

Games are won and lost on the margins.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Cherry pick the suckeyes, but Oregon is 10%(!) faster which might as well be a mile and are he better comp.

That 0.4 for OSU is an extra play or two over the course of a game, enough for us to maybe win @SMU.

Oregon's nearly 4 seconds would be an extra drive. We'd be undefeated with one more drive a game.

Games are won and lost on the margins.

We're talking about a game that we won 41-7. 4/10 of a second means we "wasted" 28 seconds. 28 seconds.

We would be undefeated if we didn't throw a ton of interceptions, drop a pass in the end zone, and flip a perfect throw in the air for an interception.

 

[TaylorWalls]

so being less than efficient offensively means we should run less plays and have less possessions and that will equal more points? There is no world in where your premise makes any sense. Lashlee was moderately successful here not because of the system but because we had a bad OL that couldn’t run block (and no I’m not advocating for a Lashlee style system). T Tech runs an air raid/spread with tempo). We have by far the most talent in the ACC. You run the same plays you did yesterday you just do it at a faster pace. It’s not rocket surgery.

And when running more plays results in six interceptions instead of four?

 

[TaylorWalls]

Cherry pick the suckeyes, but Oregon is 10%(!) faster which might as well be a mile and are he better comp.

That 0.4 for OSU is an extra play or two over the course of a game, enough for us to maybe win @SMU.

Oregon's nearly 4 seconds would be an extra drive. We'd be undefeated with one more drive a game.

Games are won and lost on the margins.

Is that the Oregon team that has scored 20, 21, and 18 in the last five games? Same Oregon?

 

[brcane1]

We're talking about a game that we won 41-7. 4/10 of a second means we "wasted" 28 seconds. 28 seconds.

We would be undefeated if we didn't throw a ton of interceptions, drop a pass in the end zone, and flip a perfect throw in the air for an interception.

Sure change the narrative to an unrelated and uncontroversial topic.

That's a nice safe distraction to the deconstruction of your poor understanding of the numbers.

One more drive a game, something that is attainable this season in this scheme and would make a dramatic difference.

 

[TaylorWalls]

Sure change the narrative to an unrelated and uncontroversial topic.

That's a nice safe distraction to the deconstruction of your poor understanding of the numbers.

One more drive a game, something that is attainable this season in this scheme and would make a dramatic difference.

One more drive a game could mean a punt just as easily as it could mean a score, AND it means the opponent gets another drive.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

So they had two easy short fields, one plodding 13-play drive, settled for a field goal, and punted.

They scored 38 in the first half. We scored 17 on 6 drives. Their 13 play drive took 4 minutes and resulted in a TD. I wouldn’t call that slow and plodding. We opened the game with an 11 play drive that took 5:37 and resulted in a FG. Again, it’s about getting as many chances as possible when your the better team.

 

[TaylorWalls]

That's a nice safe distraction to the deconstruction of your poor understanding of the numbers.

Any presentation of the numbers helps my point more than it does yours.

 

[brcane1]

One more drive a game could mean a punt just as easily as it could mean a score, AND it means the opponent gets another drive.

That's coward talk.

Scared money don't make money.

 

[TaylorWalls]

They scored 38 in the first half. We scored 17 on 6 drives. Their 13 play drive took 4 minutes and resulted in a TD. I wouldn’t call that slow and plodding. We opened the game with an 11 play drive that took 5:37 and resulted in a FG. Again, it’s about getting as many chances as possible when your the better team.

It's about executing more than it is about getting more plays. If more plays mean more penalties, turnovers, and drops, you don't just lose by one score.

 

[TaylorWalls]

That's coward talk.

Scared money don't make money.

It's actually spot on. Any word on why Oregon's cutting edge lightning offense has struggled to score points?

 

[brcane1]

It's actually spot on. Any word on why Oregon's cutting edge lightning offense has struggled to score points?

We have more talent than Oregon. Specifically their offensive line is crap... funny that.

If you are better than your opponent you want to face them at higher volume.

Mario needs to grow a pair.