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Why do we refuse to play with any kind of tempo?

PennsylvaniaCane said:
Maybe I should spell it out better. I could have said something like “Why do we refuse to come out and establish an identity running plays with better pace/tempo to stress an overmatched defense out to thereby hide some of our own deficiencies and by doing so get up early on teams and allow our defense to play downhill rather than coming out and allow the other team to dictate the pace which is normally smarter coaches who understand when you have less talent you slow the game down to give a more talented team less chances…..”. Or something like that?
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Which top team is doing that so I can compare our plays and drives to theirs?
 
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Same group that was wrong for weeks arguing with those who were right for weeks. Not much out of those that were wrong when it caught up with us against Louisville and SMU. Fascinating.
 
TaylorWalls said:
We lost to Louisville because we threw four interceptions. Not because we weren't playing with - what do you call it - "tempo".
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Angry Ibis said:
Criticisms the first 8-9 weeks were correct... and the team adapted finally ... doing the exact things the mopes asked for... now in another game against a **** team, people are pointing out the offense is still not crisp or playing with tempo or a flow -- and they are again correct.

The defense set the tone for the game and then we played with confidence. Do it again on the road and against a good Pitt team and don't revert to clenched ****, slog...

Let’s go!!
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Unfortunately, us Mopes have been somewhat right for the past 20 years
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
You named 3 teams that are firmly in the playoffs and dont got **** to prove. Nothing wrong with slowing a game down and going home with a win when you are in that luxurious situation.

The high level nuance of the argument that you might be missing is that we are outside of the playoffs with A LOT TO PROVE.

Could we have scored more yestersay? If you think the answer is yes, then we should have. Period. If you think we dont have the ability to because Beck is incapable how someone else mentioned, then just say that.

Let me know if you understand that part, I can try to explain in a different way.
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Your argument is if we ran more tempo on offense we'd be more likely to score more points, which would impress the playoff committee and make it more likely we'd make the playoff? Just want to make sure I'm not mischaracterizing you.

Just some broader points as I await your response:
- think the most likely explanation about why we play at the pace we play at this year is that we are simply playing at the pace Beck is comfortable playing at. UGA averaged 69.x plays/gm the two years he was a starter there, and we are averaging 68.7 plays/gm
-we averaged nearly 73 plays/g last year so we are playing at a slower pace
-last years pace was nearly identical to what Dawson did at Houston his two years as OC & play caller, so I assume all things being equal he'd prefer to play at a slightly faster pace than we are playing at this year (and in his first year here when TVD was a ****show and we played Emory at QB a fair amount)
-just regarding the NC ST game think there are better criticisms than tempo about why we didn't score more points on offense: we shot ourselves in the foot with a sack and a penalty on two seperate drives in the red zone (8 missing points), we turned the ball over once, we had a 3 & out and another drive we only got 1 first down on, and we missed a FG we should have made.
 
flips said:
Your argument is if we ran more tempo on offense we'd be more likely to score more points, which would impress the playoff committee and make it more likely we'd make the playoff? Just want to make sure I'm not mischaracterizing you.

Just some broader points as I await your response:
- think the most likely explanation about why we play at the pace we play at this year is that we are simply playing at the pace Beck is comfortable playing at. UGA averaged 69.x plays/gm the two years he was a starter there, and we are averaging 68.7 plays/gm
-we averaged nearly 73 plays/g last year so we are playing at a slower pace
-last years pace was nearly identical to what Dawson did at Houston his two years as OC & play caller, so I assume all things being equal he'd prefer to play at a slightly faster pace than we are playing at this year (and in his first year here when TVD was a ****show and we played Emory at QB a fair amount)
-just regarding the NC ST game think there are better criticisms than tempo about why we didn't score more points on offense: we shot ourselves in the foot with a sack and a penalty on two seperate drives in the red zone (8 missing points), we turned the ball over once, we had a 3 & out and another drive we only got 1 first down on, and we missed a FG we should have made.
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If we had gone with more "tempo" the fumble woulnd't have counted.
 
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SinisterCane said:
Unfortunately, us Mopes have been somewhat right for the past 20 years
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Indeed. It took me a bit to see through the Orange and Green glasses.

There are some very serious and respected posters who’ve had concerns since early in the year, not just the mope world order.

Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result used to be termed insanity — now it’s just University of Miami Athletics… a 25 year series of one step forward, two steps back…

Let’s snap the pattern and ******* win.
 
SPAMM said:
They do more than just look at the score. 575-150 yardage differential and a team that didnt cross the 50 until scrub time in the fourth after 1000 yards and 50 plus points in the previous two weeks?
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It’s funny how the board says this but when we let teams in and barely win, the board ignores all stats except the W/L column.
 
flips said:
Your argument is if we ran more tempo on offense we'd be more likely to score more points, which would impress the playoff committee and make it more likely we'd make the playoff? Just want to make sure I'm not mischaracterizing you.

Just some broader points as I await your response:
- think the most likely explanation about why we play at the pace we play at this year is that we are simply playing at the pace Beck is comfortable playing at. UGA averaged 69.x plays/gm the two years he was a starter there, and we are averaging 68.7 plays/gm
-we averaged nearly 73 plays/g last year so we are playing at a slower pace
-last years pace was nearly identical to what Dawson did at Houston his two years as OC & play caller, so I assume all things being equal he'd prefer to play at a slightly faster pace than we are playing at this year (and in his first year here when TVD was a ****show and we played Emory at QB a fair amount)
-just regarding the NC ST game think there are better criticisms than tempo about why we didn't score more points on offense: we shot ourselves in the foot with a sack and a penalty on two seperate drives in the red zone (8 missing points), we turned the ball over once, we had a 3 & out and another drive we only got 1 first down on, and we missed a FG we should have made.
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To be honest, my argument in this thread is the annoyance I have with this board developing a mob mentality that doesnt allow any criticism after a win, and then the subsequent irrelavent responses that followed to support the mob (of points being scored, or how many plays playoff teams are running in blowouts, or ppl must have miserable lives). That was my my point. I didn't start the thread about pace.

With that said, I thought the pace in the first half was fine. I noticed the effort to hurry up a little. The second half was slowed down, and one of my personal pet peeves is mailing in games instead of continuing to run your normal offense all game.

And yes, I do think the more points differential our wins have, the more helpful it is in the eyes of the committee.

It was a good win (couldve been better). My hard stance in this thread revolves around the boards reaction to a valid observation by the OP.
 
Is it possible a faster tempo might either be a poor fit for Beck or could possibly result in more procedural penalties from the OL 🤔
 
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Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
To be honest, my argument in this thread is the annoyance I have with this board developing a mob mentality that doesnt allow any criticism after a win, and then the subsequent irrelavent responses that followed to support the mob (of points being scored, or how many plays playoff teams are running in blowouts, or ppl must have miserable lives). That was my my point. I didn't start the thread about pace.

With that said, I thought the pace in the first half was fine. I noticed the effort to hurry up a little. The second half was slowed down, and one of my personal pet peeves is mailing in games instead of continuing to run your normal offense all game.

And yes, I do think the more points differential our wins have, the more helpful it is in the eyes of the committee.

It was a good win (couldve been better). My hard stance in this thread revolves around the boards reaction to a valid observation by the OP.
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100. It's ridiculous. Everyone here except for the rare crazy just wants the team to do well. I don't get why folks fight a civil war every day and question fellow Canes Fans' loyalty. Guess it's the human condition.

Sure agree the greater our point differential the better it is for us, but at this point we severely need help in the form of other teams ahead of us losing to have a chance. I don't think we have a shot to get an at large bid without getting help even if we beat the last two teams 99-0. @Angry Ibis had a good point in another thread today: had we beaten ND, FSU, UF more impressively we might not be in the position of needing so much help. I'm not sure a slightly faster offensive tempo is the ticket to that, I lean more towards we have given away too many points this year with negative plays and penalties when we have been driving.

Cheers
 
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