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Why are the Canes so hated?

Rush, the band, answered this question musically, in their song The Trees.
It's about conflict: individualism vs conformity; equality vs excellence; creativity vs "that's the way we've always done it".

Oaks = Canes
Maples = NCAA football

The Trees

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the Maples want more sunlight
And the Oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks, just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
"The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light"
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw

[video=youtube;JnC88xBPkkc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnC88xBPkkc[/video]

 
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In the NFL, used to, the Oakland Raiders were the bad boys of football, and other team fans found them fun to hate.

Miami have always been the bad boys of football, and college football also needs a team fans find fun to hate.

Consider our game against Duke. From sportscasters, to football fans - especially Duke fans - including the referees, all hated UM and were about to blow an O-ring when UM kept winning in spite of staggering bad calls against them.

That hatred by all others is what makes a UM fan unique - fun - and what ties UM fans together across the nation. We thrive on giving college football the middle finger while they rant.

We start winning again, we will be at the very top of everyone's ****list across the nation. We're traditionally - Giant Killers. We disassemble better funded teams, and we do so with raw barbarism.

****, it's sweet.
 
Yeah we kind of took the whole find Americas favorite college football team and beat the crap out of them into submission to the extreme in the 1990's and early 2000's. We partied, we danced, we pranced and we took no God **** prisoners. If someone whined about it later, we scheduled them and beat the crap out of them too. Then the AD got soft. We startled scheduling the likes of College of Charleston, FIU, FAU, Arkansas State to ensure coaching wins rather than demanding we beat the powers in CFB. Without the difficult out of conference games, we were judged only on the conference games. And we played in weak conferences. I remember wearing a favorite shirt that described our out of conference schedule in the 1980's it was green and orange and said these colors never run against anyone. Whereas before we weren't afraid of anyone, by the mid 2000's we were. Getting the coach a guaranteed 6 wins was more important than making our mark on the CFB landscape. We have been mired in mediocrity ever since.

If you recruit the best players in the nation, and we do, you let them take the field and prove they are the best. They were recruited here for a reason. If you make the season only three or four tough games a year, players coast. They don't compete to be the best each and every week. They secure their scholarship and don't fight for the coaches job. Last week, those guys laid it on the line for Coach Scott. Whether that is sustainable is something that has to play out. But given the challenge suddenly there was more focus and execution by them. That is what Hurricanes football was each week during the 1980's and 1990's. You had to prove yourself each week because there were no patsies on the schedule. It made the players, and the teams better during that era.
 
Been following this for a long time, and I'm convinced it started out as a racial thing. We taunted, we strutted and we were ****y. The team had a higher percentage of black players than almost any other team in the '80's. (That's changed). Plus, we beat the sentimental favorite of most Americans, schools like Notre Dame, and we rubbed their noses in it.

I remember complaining to somebody in law school about all the nonsense that Gerry Faust used to show on the sideline at Moeller. That rah-rah midwestern image. This guy, from Chicago, said that's the way they like it there. Then Faust ended up at ND, and we beat his billowing boxer shorts off. Aroused sympathy for the Irish all around the country, even where it had not previously existed. Now, white America was under siege by the black uprising known as the Miami Hurricanes.

Trust me, I used to work in civil rights, race relations, and recognize this. I saw it at Georgetown when John Thompson was coach and the team was the unfavorite of the media because it was almost entirely inner city blacks from D.C., with a few from Baltimore or other cities thrown in. John Thompson constantly did things his own way.

This also was evident as far back as 1972 when an all-black Florida State team made it to the NCAA championship game against UCLA. Everybody assumed they were undisciplined because they were all black.

I'm white by the way, but I know when somebody is being picked on because they are different and don't act the way the powers that be want them to act. Miami's kids in the '80s were ****y, arrogant, taunting, got in fights, and white America hated it, especially the media. I mentioned in another thread that I once had a conversation with Michael Wilbon after he seemed to express some sympathy for UM. Now that was 20 years ago, and I don't remember all the details and his column, but I remember he expressed some issues with the way most of the press treated UM.

And by the way, with respect to the post just above: I constantly challenge the myth that we recruited the best players in the nation. On paper, we did not. We found the best potential players and developed them. So many myths about our recruiting history. Believe me, I know. And anybody who says we consistently had top notch recruiting classes, you're full of crap. Nobody on this board knows the '80's recruiting history better than I do, and perhaps the history of the '90's as well. I read every newsletter that was published, I spent many hours, I used to have sources who had sources in the football office, particularly the recruiting office. We didn't recruit the best players, we got the best we could, and developed them better. That was the difference. Our most recent recruiting classes have been ranked considerably higher than the overall five classes that JJ recruited. Some of his early classes were very disappointing to the staff, and, on paper, downright pathetic. Golden has outrecruited JJ, and maybe Erickson, but the development and usage (scheme?) have left a lot to be desired.
 
Cause we cut our teeth as the "uppity n***az".

White America HATED it! That's one reason why I fell in love.
 
The old picturesque overhead shots of the OB helped a little too. It's 80 degrees here in late November and that rubs Joe Sixpack sitting in 18 degree Toledo the wrong way when he's forced to realize that he's gonna die in an $80,000 house in Ohio. He'll still book the 3 day Carnival cruise for him and Marge's 50th out of the Port of Miami though- the year before he passes.
 
This..... I've always felt that it is the soft hand of racism, for the most part not outright bigotry, but definitely it starts there. It's possible they don't even realize why they hate us at this point but it most certainly has its roots in racism. I agree wholeheartedly (and I'm white fwiw)
TheMatador said:
Been following this for a long time, and I'm convinced it started out as a racial thing. We taunted, we strutted and we were ****y. The team had a higher percentage of black players than almost any other team in the '80's. (That's changed). Plus, we beat the sentimental favorite of most Americans, schools like Notre Dame, and we rubbed their noses in it.

I remember complaining to somebody in law school about all the nonsense that Gerry Faust used to show on the sideline at Moeller. That rah-rah midwestern image. This guy, from Chicago, said that's the way they like it there. Then Faust ended up at ND, and we beat his billowing boxer shorts off. Aroused sympathy for the Irish all around the country, even where it had not previously existed. Now, white America was under siege by the black uprising known as the Miami Hurricanes.

Trust me, I used to work in civil rights, race relations, and recognize this. I saw it at Georgetown when John Thompson was coach and the team was the unfavorite of the media because it was almost entirely inner city blacks from D.C., with a few from Baltimore or other cities thrown in. John Thompson constantly did things his own way.

This also was evident as far back as 1972 when an all-black Florida State team made it to the NCAA championship game against UCLA. Everybody assumed they were undisciplined because they were all black.

I'm white by the way, but I know when somebody is being picked on because they are different and don't act the way the powers that be want them to act. Miami's kids in the '80s were ****y, arrogant, taunting, got in fights, and white America hated it, especially the media. I mentioned in another thread that I once had a conversation with Michael Wilbon after he seemed to express some sympathy for UM. Now that was 20 years ago, and I don't remember all the details and his column, but I remember he expressed some issues with the way most of the press treated UM.

And by the way, with respect to the post just above: I constantly challenge the myth that we recruited the best players in the nation. On paper, we did not. We found the best potential players and developed them. So many myths about our recruiting history. Believe me, I know. And anybody who says we consistently had top notch recruiting classes, you're full of crap. Nobody on this board knows the '80's recruiting history better than I do, and perhaps the history of the '90's as well. I read every newsletter that was published, I spent many hours, I used to have sources who had sources in the football office, particularly the recruiting office. We didn't recruit the best players, we got the best we could, and developed them better. That was the difference. Our most recent recruiting classes have been ranked considerably higher than the overall five classes that JJ recruited. Some of his early classes were very disappointing to the staff, and, on paper, downright pathetic. Golden has outrecruited JJ, and maybe Erickson, but the development and usage (scheme?) have left a lot to be desired.
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We're only about 100,000 years or so and a gene cluster away from being chimps. It's easy for people to think in dualities; black/white, good/evil, yes/no. Much more difficult to think in a relativistic or contextual way. Makes most everybody's brain work too hard, and we just haven't evolved as a species that much. So it's easy to think of Miami as the bad guys, for all the reasons people have stated. It's pathetic really. The hypocrisy of it. As if BS that happens in college football only happens at Miami. Right.


It's a brain thing, you wouldn't understand
 
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TheMatador said:
Been following this for a long time, and I'm convinced it started out as a racial thing. We taunted, we strutted and we were ****y. The team had a higher percentage of black players than almost any other team in the '80's. (That's changed). Plus, we beat the sentimental favorite of most Americans, schools like Notre Dame, and we rubbed their noses in it.

I remember complaining to somebody in law school about all the nonsense that Gerry Faust used to show on the sideline at Moeller. That rah-rah midwestern image. This guy, from Chicago, said that's the way they like it there. Then Faust ended up at ND, and we beat his billowing boxer shorts off. Aroused sympathy for the Irish all around the country, even where it had not previously existed. Now, white America was under siege by the black uprising known as the Miami Hurricanes.

Trust me, I used to work in civil rights, race relations, and recognize this. I saw it at Georgetown when John Thompson was coach and the team was the unfavorite of the media because it was almost entirely inner city blacks from D.C., with a few from Baltimore or other cities thrown in. John Thompson constantly did things his own way.

This also was evident as far back as 1972 when an all-black Florida State team made it to the NCAA championship game against UCLA. Everybody assumed they were undisciplined because they were all black.

I'm white by the way, but I know when somebody is being picked on because they are different and don't act the way the powers that be want them to act. Miami's kids in the '80s were ****y, arrogant, taunting, got in fights, and white America hated it, especially the media. I mentioned in another thread that I once had a conversation with Michael Wilbon after he seemed to express some sympathy for UM. Now that was 20 years ago, and I don't remember all the details and his column, but I remember he expressed some issues with the way most of the press treated UM.

And by the way, with respect to the post just above: I constantly challenge the myth that we recruited the best players in the nation. On paper, we did not. We found the best potential players and developed them. So many myths about our recruiting history. Believe me, I know. And anybody who says we consistently had top notch recruiting classes, you're full of crap. Nobody on this board knows the '80's recruiting history better than I do, and perhaps the history of the '90's as well. I read every newsletter that was published, I spent many hours, I used to have sources who had sources in the football office, particularly the recruiting office. We didn't recruit the best players, we got the best we could, and developed them better. That was the difference. Our most recent recruiting classes have been ranked considerably higher than the overall five classes that JJ recruited. Some of his early classes were very disappointing to the staff, and, on paper, downright pathetic. Golden has outrecruited JJ, and maybe Erickson, but the development and usage (scheme?) have left a lot to be desired.
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Gall came from Moeller, along with Cryin' John Boehner...At least Barry Larkin (Moeller grad) had the good sense to support his son's transfer to Miami.
 
I think it started when we showed up for the national championship game against Penn State wearing camouflage. We lost. But all they could talk about was how we came there expecting to win.
Not to mention the term they coined against us later with "criminals vs catholics"

**** them.
 
I think the Georgetown analogy is dead on. As for the recruiting, I think its changed a lot since Miami was dominating the 80's and the early 90's. In the 80's, and correct me if I am wrong, they did not have the rankings like they do today. So that class that Howard brought in with Bratton, and Highsmith etc probably would have been highly rated. So I think its a bit of misnomer to say we didnt have highly rated recruiting classes.
 
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Because Miami winning means they are losing.

If any decent coach figures out how to keep Dalvin Cook, Alex Collins and Calvin Ridley home, the $EC knows what will happen.
 
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Great post Matador. Unapologetically being black will always be an issue for those suffering from white narcissism/supremacy. That's the problem with Miami, it is become synonymous with unapologetic, black athletic success.
 
its because of how we celebrated in the 80's and early 90's and the perception we cheat, which we did do. Pell Grant scandal and Shapero BS.
 
We talked trash to ND in the 1983 game. Then we went up to South Bendover in 84 and beat them in a salty game. Then we humiliated god by beating his team in the worst beatdown since his son's crucifiction in 85. At that point we were the devil according to the TV talking heads.

Fvck em all.
 
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