Why are the Canes so hated?

I think it is rooted in rascism for The U. But nationally I think there is an overall hatred for the city of Miami because it is usually nice all year long and people outside of the area think that the Miamians are not hard-working and just enjoying the beaches all the time. They think because they vacation down here, that's what all the residents down here do and they are jealous of that.
 
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As of 11-11-2015

Like a fool I went and stayed too long
Now I'm wondering if your love's still strong
Oo, baby, here I am, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!

Then that time I went and said goodbye
Now I'm back and not ashamed to cry
Oo, baby, here I am, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!

Here I am baby
Signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours
You got my future in your hands


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It's refreshing to read all of the posts in this thread. In my opinion, so many Canes fans understand the hatred. To add my own $0.02 (and largely pile on what others have said), the reason is we are different (and generally successful), and college football for many years has feared "different" because it doesn't understand it.

Nothing else in the world of college football over the past 35 years has happened that is remotely similar to Miami did and how we did it. Nothing.

If you don't believe me, try this simple game. Pick any college football program (e.g., Penn State) and see if you can identify other programs that are similar/comparable. Of course, every program has some unique characteristics, but generally there are similarities. The ONLY school that can claim to be as unique (i.e., without a comparable program) as Miami, is Notre Dame. (USC is debatable, IMO.) But the HUGE difference between us and the Irish is that Notre Dame has tradition, religion and, as a result, familiarity and comfort. We are/were the exact opposite to what most of [white] America knew -- black, brash, flashy, meteoric success, etc. Believe me, I grew up in the Midwest in the 80's and watched as the hatred of us grew, corresponding to our relevance and success.

Let's embrace it, my friends! Here's to be the one and only.
 
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We are at a fork in the road of Canes football. Ahead are either Resurrection or Apathy. Which shall we take?

I went down to the crossroads, fell down on my knees
Down to the crossroads, fell down on my knees
Asked the Lord above for mercy, "Save me if you please"


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Butch Hiring day is 14 away!

What's Going On? In our Modern Times, everyone wants to know what's going on. We're only 2 weeks away, and the stars appear to be aligning. The chatter/rumors should continue to increase as we approach BDay.

First time I saw you, you were Mr. Natural
You seemed so diffident, you hardly spoke at all
Now you come to me and you've got green streaks in your hair
You walk like Greta Garbo, but you talk like Yogi Bear

So tell me now
What's going on? What's going on?
I really don't believe
What's going on? What's going on?

Anyone in the farmhouse could have given you the news
You think you're in control but you're only being used
I know your head is in the sky, you're easy to deceive
But how you fell for this I really don't believe

So tell me now
What's going on? What's going on?
I really don't believe
What's going on? What's going on?

All those rock 'n' roll star heroes you spend your time around
You may think you're one of them but you're a hundred thousand down
What are you going to do when the company calls its money in?
How'll you feel stuck out in the rain without a friend?

What's going on? What's going on?
I really don't believe
What's going on? What's going on?



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I think it started when we showed up for the national championship game against Penn State wearing camouflage. We lost. But all they could talk about was how we came there expecting to win.
Not to mention the term they coined against us later with "criminals vs catholics"

**** them.

No. It was evident way before then. You might not remember. When Jimmy Johnson came in, he was confronted by media opinion about the taunting, as I recall. He said it was something that could not be fixed overnight.I don't know exactly what was behind that statement, but it was very much part of the culture of the team well before the Fiesta Bowl thing. The Fiesta Bowl was just the latest. The fatigues, the steak fry walkout, etc., they were just more bumps along the road. The attitute against Miami started way before then and when was it we whooped up on ND 58-7? Was that '86? It would have been before the Fiesta Bowl. And the steak fry walkout, by the way, was the reaction, understandable, to some implicit racism in some of the black face skits performed by Penn State players, as I recall.

The trash talking and taunting started in 83. UM players yapped at ND the entire game.

Maybe they were just yapping back. ND and its fans were always so sanctimonious, holier-than-thou. I hated that about ND.

We were treated like disciples of the devil for treating God's team so badly.

I think things boiled over in that 58-7 game against ND, which I think might have been '86. It was Gerry Faust's last game. He was already fired. (Or maybe it was '87). When I went to the '88 game, there was hate on ND campus everywhere, dorms, T-shirts, etc. Made me sick.

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I remember Brent Musburger really attacking Miami for running up the score in the 58-7 game. I sent him, along with TV stations and the NY Times
a complete list of the games (and there were many) where ND ran up the score. They just never had anyone to do it to them until we came along. I still enjoy seeing ND lose.
 
Several teams complained about UM's "trash talking" during the 1983 season. NLame, WVU,etc.

I think we sought of picked that up from the Florida series.
Several friends of mine played for UM during the early 1980s and they told me several stories about
them and uF-ag not only running smack on each other, but even fighting during one of their JV games.
 
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We have any number of reasons for the Canes hiring any particular head coach, and as many not to. Most reasons are mere oral flatulence, as they miss the crux of our needs: the return to national relevance, as quickly as possible. Canes football remains on life-support. The wrong hire will doom the program for another 5 years. After living through the past dozen years of pain, the number of fans has dwindled. Many of us remaining are sitting on the fence, waiting for a sign that the BOT cares about winning championships. We no longer have time for the pain. We want competency restored.

There is only one realistically available candidate that will instantly make Miami football nationally relevant again, Butch Davis. As a bonus, he'll galvanize the fan base, and haul in a top class of recruits.

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Watched the Miami HC Bowl. IMHO, Herman > Fuente. We're getting neither. Herman to VT, Fuente to MD.

Flubberneck to the Mizzou Leper Colony, because he already looks like one.

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its because of how we celebrated in the 80's and early 90's and the perception we cheat, which we did do. Pell Grant scandal and Shapero BS.

Exactly. Great post. Nothing else shares a fleck of relevancy.

Cheating is the overriding theme. I lived in Las Vegas more or less full time for 25 years. In that setting you meet thousands of tourists from all over the country, in the sportsbooks and poker rooms. Sports fans. When they saw my Canes shirt of hat there was frequently a reaction. I knew what their theme would be: Cheating. Seldom failed. I don't remember one hint of racism.

That type was jealous in the '80s, suspicious that we came out of nowhere to dominate so completely and long term, instead of an isolated and rather meaningless one or two season stretch, which is normal. They enjoyed and celebrated our upset of Nebraska but once it continued and was accompanied by so much showboating, the tactics on and off the field that they couldn't rationalize and didn't see in high volume elsewhere, they turned against us and hoped we'd take a big fall. I remember being on Las Vegas radio in the late '80s and early '90s, with the program fielding so many anti-Canes callers from throughout the West Coast, desperate that the program was due for a big embarrassing fall. The loss to Alabama was absolutely celebrated, much moreso than the Penn State defeat, which was viewed as more of a stunner. By 1992 the country had become weary of the Canes and looking for any trigger to denounce them and mock.

The Pell Grant scandal provided the first ammo. Ah ha. We knew it all along. I can't count how many times I'd meet people in Las Vegas who insisted that none of our titles meant anything, that we cheated throughout and simply we're caught until the '90s. When I scoffed at it they dismissed my view. When I said they were making assumptions that didn't stand up to logic, they scoffed and said they couldn't believe anybody could be so naive, that anybody took those championships at face value.

That mindset holds up today. We don't receive nearly as much credit nationwide as we assume. The original 30 for 30 program and obviously the Shapiro situation merely fuel the conventional wisdom that we blatantly broke the rules throughout. The dates attached don't matter. The cynical type will retroactively enforce it at 1983, or whatever is convenient for them.

I was shocked at one example, but it demonstrated to me how widespread the Canes hatred had become. One roommate at USC was a huge sports fan and also a gambler. He kidded me in the early college years about wearing Canes gear so often on a campus 3000 miles away. The Canes were struggling. But as a senior he praised the Canes and said I finally had reason to wear those shirts. Later I actually watched the signature upset of Nebraska at his parents house in Irvine, at a bowl watching party that lasted all day. There were gamblers galore at that party. Most of them bet on Nebraska minus the points and had left before the game ended.

I was jumping up and down on the edge of the pool table when Miami swatted away that 2 point conversion. My old roommate George was celebrating and slapping hands with me.

Fast forward nearly a decade. I've seen George occasionally in the intervening years. But finally we run into each other in Las Vegas at Caesar's Palace and spend the bulk of a few days together. Suddenly George has a different opinion of the Canes: "I hate that team. They do nothing but cheat."

I was shocked. Before I could ask him what altered his opinion, he started ranting about the on-field antics and celebrations. I realized there was nothing I could say to deflect, that George was merely representative of national molding. He still despises the Canes today.
 
Several friends of mine played for UM during the early 1980s and they told me several stories about
them and uF-ag not only running smack on each other, but even fighting during one of their JV games.

Unless you saw it, I don't think there's any way to describe and fully appreciate the tension and animosity between Canes and Gators players and fans in that era, circa late '70s through mid '80s and especially the early '80s. It made Alabama/Auburn and similar rivalries look like cotillion.

My parents refused to make the trip to Gainesville anymore. We had so many incidents. Four tires were slashed on our van when we returned from the game. My little sister had her Miami pennant grabbed out of her hand and snapped in half by two college aged girls as we approached the entrance gate. Two guys with bags of rock hard little Frisbees stood in from of the Miami section and started winging the Frisbees smack into the faces of Canes fans. I'll never forget witnessing that. Little old ladies were ducking for cover as the Gator fans laughed while throwing those Frisbees.

I never had to ask why Howard Schnellenberger had Danny Miller kick that rub it in field goal. That's how bad it had become. Decades later not many people want to accept it, that Gator fans were borderline uncivilized trash, at least at football games and their surroundings. It extended beyond the Miami/Florida series also. My alma mater USC played there in September 1982. My USC buddy and I attended the game. I night earlier we ordered a pizza at a nearby restaurant. When it was delivered a guy from a nearby table walked over, grabbed our pizza, and turned it over onto the ground. His entire table of at least 8 students erupted in approval. They all serenaded us with the chomp.

I have not attended a game in Gainesville since that USC game in 1982. Florida ran away and will always be Orange, Blue and Mostly Yellow to me. It drives me nuts when younger fans want to ignore the history of the series and try to pretend that Florida State is more of a hated rival than the lowlife Gators.

BTW, I don't believe in altering nicknames. That is unnecessary and sheds poorly on the describer. The word Gators is ultra damning in itself.
 
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Korn Ferry is an executive search firm. They might be the firm that Flake uses personally, or is used by members of the BOT in their businesses. They don't appear on this list of sports agencies:

Agencies By Alphabetical Order | Sports Agent Blog

So, is the BOT serious, or is it amateur hour? Korn isn't even a sports agency; I believe they'll simply compile a list of names. You know them already. Then the secret AD, you know him too, will make the pick.

Bottom line? Shhh...

Butch Hiring Day is 10 away.

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I'll tell you something that's interesting to me; I live in Okeechobee County, where the Brighton Seminole Reservation is located. My business occasionally involves Seminoles that come from the reservation. Occasionally, during this time of year, it's obvious that I would talk about college football with them.

You would be surprised at how many that are Miami Hurricane fans. Guys would roll in with Jeep Wranglers painted in orange and green, wearing orange and green Ray Ban sunglasses, talking to me about how they got box seats this year.

So the question comes, of course. I have to ask it, because it was my understanding that the Seminole tribes as a whole monetarily support FSU;


"Why don't you like Florida State?"

"Nah, it's not my kind of school." "Don't like 'em. Don't need 'em."

For every one Seminole that is a FSU fan, four or five are Miami Hurricane fans. And no Gator fans. LOL

Go figure! :)

That's interesting. Is it a geographic thing, or a cultural thing. Okeechobee is really part of southern Florida, if not south Florida. What if they were from some northern Florida tribes (I guess they still exist). I've never really grasped the history and demographics of tribes in Florida. When I was going up, I was always under the impression that all south Florida Indians were Seminoles, but I think many are Miccosukee, whom I guess, are different.

They used to take us young kids from elementary school on field trips, usually to some place they told us was the Everglades (probably some tourist outpost in western Dade County or something) and told us we were seeing the Seminole Indians. They always had these wood hutches, open to the elements, with a platform and wood or thatched roof cover, no walls, and told us that was where the Indians lived. (They probably left at closing to go back to their houses somewhere else.) They always brought out one of the men in some Indian garb, and told us it was Chief Osceola. It was probably whichever male was going to be the famous chief for that day's batch of tourists. We always read in our elementary school textbooks about the famous Chief Osceola, so we finally got to see him. The original, and real, Chief Osceola, had died, what? a century before? We didn't know.

I'm not even sure we were really seeing Seminoles, I think they took us to see some Miccosukee tourist trap.

Didn't Donna Shalalala cut a deal with one of the Indian casinos to hold presidential debates a while back?

While we're at it, can anyone name the two outstanding Indian defensive backs who started for UM back around '64-'65? I think both were JUCO transfers from Oklahoma.

A bit of trivia.

Andy Sixkiller was one.
 
Butch Hiring Day is 9 away.

Lots of false rumors and misinformation out there. Rest assured that Flake The Puppet will not be trusted to make any decisions on an HC. That will fall back on the BOT money men. As we all know, they have an "impeccable" record.

When it's all said and done, it's going to come down to Butch. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Meanwhile...

Everybody listen to me
And return me, my ship
I'm your captain, I'm your captain
Though I'm feeling mighty sick

I've been lost now, days uncounted
And it's months since I've seen home
Can you hear me, can you hear me
Or am I all alone?

If you return me to my home port
I will kiss you, mother Earth
Take me back now, take me back now
To the port of my birth

Am I in my cabin dreaming
Or are you really scheming
To take my ship away from me
You'd better think about it

I just can't live without it
So please don't take
My ship from me
Yeah, yeah, yeah

I can feel the hand of a stranger
And it tightening around my throat
Heaven help me, heaven help me
Take this stranger, from my boat

I'm your captain, I'm your captain
Though I'm feeling mighty sick
Everybody, listen to me
And return me, my ship

I'm your captain, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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