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Who's better in two years?

jakeman1 said:
Seems like the local talent base is better in South Florida for sure, but Harbaugh has the name to recruit nationally, so he'll be able to cherry pick some kids. He has that edge like Saban, which Richt did not have in the later years at UGA, and I'm not sure he ever will, but maybe with him being more personally involved coaching kids again, it will be better at Miami. Living in Georgia, with family who are season ticket holders for years, I watched a lot of games over the past ten years where UGA looked very flat for the big games. Florida feasted on them, and Alabama did once Saban got established, which is why he was fired.

He was never going to be successful there, with those boosters and the system they have. They needed a coach with a personality like Saban, and Smart seems to fit the bill. I've heard what he's told the kids, and there's no real family message there. He's told the kids, he's not there to love them, he was brought in to win championships. Whether he is a good head coach is still to be seen, but he's tearing up recruiting there now, and doing all the right things to push back against the rest of the SEC.
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Sure you could always go that way. But please limit the delusional stuff to the Georgia website. Just one quick fact check here. Let me know if I'm wrong. #1 2016 #1 qb in the country from Washington... on a yearly basis 2014 or 15 being the last year top running back after top running back. 2015 2 of the top 3 3 of the top 10. 2014 #1 running back. 2013 #2 rb... if I recall correctly only 1 of those kids was from Georgia. That my friend is the definition of cherry picking
 
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Brooklyndee said:
jakeman1 said:
Seems like the local talent base is better in South Florida for sure, but Harbaugh has the name to recruit nationally, so he'll be able to cherry pick some kids. He has that edge like Saban, which Richt did not have in the later years at UGA, and I'm not sure he ever will, but maybe with him being more personally involved coaching kids again, it will be better at Miami. Living in Georgia, with family who are season ticket holders for years, I watched a lot of games over the past ten years where UGA looked very flat for the big games. Florida feasted on them, and Alabama did once Saban got established, which is why he was fired.

He was never going to be successful there, with those boosters and the system they have. They needed a coach with a personality like Saban, and Smart seems to fit the bill. I've heard what he's told the kids, and there's no real family message there. He's told the kids, he's not there to love them, he was brought in to win championships. Whether he is a good head coach is still to be seen, but he's tearing up recruiting there now, and doing all the right things to push back against the rest of the SEC.
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Sure you could always go that way. But please limit the delusional stuff to the Georgia website. Just one quick fact check here. Let me know if I'm wrong. #1 2016 #1 qb in the country from Washington... on a yearly basis 2014 or 15 being the last year top running back after top running back. 2015 2 of the top 3 3 of the top 10. 2014 #1 running back. 2013 #2 rb... if I recall correctly only 1 of those kids was from Georgia. That my friend is the definition of cherry picking
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All that!!
 
I think the sky is the limit for both, so I'm my mind there's no right or wrong answer here.

I think both conferences are equally weak, but the ACC's influx of new head coaches hopefully raised the bar for everyone. The 10/11/whatever has a giant though in Urban and that'll be the true test for Harbaugh.
 
Interesting thread because its really both UM programs that have not stayed on the national stage now for a long time.

Richt will do better eventually. He has the source of So FL talent, and in just 9 month's of Shalaala being gone resources are actually **** near being poured into Miami Athletics. A huge difference for Richt and his influence.

But Harbaugh and Michigan is flush with money and donations. Problem is he does not just burn out kids, but also staff and university personal. I have been around him when I lived near USD. He is a quirky dude. It can rub people raw eventually, I know cause I saw it.

Michigan is going to definitely win a lot. But OSU will be hard to get past. And Michigan ST, plus the Badgers will give them losses at times.

Richt needs to beat FSU, and UNC we should start to handle soon. We usually have 1 big OOC game, and then it's onto the conference title.

Bottom line, I would like to see both programs get back to end of season top 10 rankings.
 
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rustywalkedaway said:
Tad Footeball said:
In 2 years Harbaugh will definitely have the better team.....because he'll be back in the NFL. Crazy Jim and the college game isn't going to be a longterm marriage. He was too close to winning a Super Bowl, is too competitive with his brother who has won one and will be in too much demand to be content on this level.
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I think Harbaugh is much better suited to the college game. He just burns people out, so he is better off with a wholly changing labor force every 3-5 years than in the pros. His rah-rah shtick only lasts so long, although I think he is an excellent coach.

But I don't know if he learned that yet or not. If not, yeah, he'll probably go back to the NFL. If so, he may be a Michigan lifer. I hoped he stay at Stanford, thought that was a perfect match.

On the Miami side, this is a very different Richt regime than I expected. I have friends close to the UGA program. When I tell them what he is doing here they are stunned. He is bringing a lot more than I expected or they ever saw.

I think the in-conference battles are about equal. On a regular basis Michigan has to get past OSU and Miami has to get past FSU. The next step in each conference means you get past MSU and Clemson, both currently established programs. After that, an annual crapshoot. Miami has better localized recruiting for several positions, while Michigan must go national (but it always has). If Miami gives Richt the resources, and so far it looks like it is doing so, I give the slight edge to Miami going forward.
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Miami has the easier path. Their division sucks ***. Michigan has OSU and Michigan St in their division. It's not even debatable.
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To me, the path that matters is to the playoffs. As laid out Miami has it easier, but you have to look at two things. One, actual schedules. They change year to year. Two, and more importantly, the conference title game.
 
Tad Footeball said:
In 2 years Harbaugh will definitely have the better team.....because he'll be back in the NFL. Crazy Jim and the college game isn't going to be a longterm marriage. He was too close to winning a Super Bowl, is too competitive with his brother who has won one and will be in too much demand to be content on this level.
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Like usual, you make very cogent points. Your reasoning is sound but I get the feeling that he will deliver the goods for the maize and blue before he heads back to the NFL. The real question is how long will it take Harbaugh to win the title at Michigan.
 
There are very few coaches I'm choosing over Harbaugh. Richt isn't one of them. Harbaugh squeezed every ounce of potential out of that Stanford program that really doesn't have access to the best recruits due to their academic standards. Now, Michigan isn't WVU when it comes to their admissions but Harbaugh can target a larger number of blue chip players now than he could at his previous college stop.

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RiDLer80 said:
There are very few coaches I'm choosing over Harbaugh. Richt isn't one of them. Harbaugh squeezed every ounce of potential out of that Stanford program that really doesn't have access to the best recruits due to their academic standards. Now, Michigan isn't WVU when it comes to their admissions but Harbaugh can target a larger number of blue chip players now than he could at his previous college stop.

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Yup. Harbaugh basically has little-to-no restrictions while recruiting now.

Perplexed as to why most of our fans are giving Richt the nod. Harbaugh is a better HC than Richt imo, but that's not the only reason why he'll field better teams 2016-2018; he already has a more talented team so that's one major reason but its the amount of resources that he has in Ann Arbor that will help fuel his success. The alumni, fan-base, facilities/on-campus stadium, etc. are on a different level up north and is a huge selling point to recruits.
 
I think its going to take Richt a while, two years, to field a team worthy of playoff contention. We just don't have the talent on our team right now. Hopefully Perry, Allison, or Weldon are ready by then.
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
Tad Footeball said:
In 2 years Harbaugh will definitely have the better team.....because he'll be back in the NFL. Crazy Jim and the college game isn't going to be a longterm marriage. He was too close to winning a Super Bowl, is too competitive with his brother who has won one and will be in too much demand to be content on this level.
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Like usual, you make very cogent points. Your reasoning is sound but I get the feeling that he will deliver the goods for the maize and blue before he heads back to the NFL. The real question is how long will it take Harbaugh to win the title at Michigan.
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I think the guy is obviously a legit coach but I think your last sentence might be what *could lend credibility to my assertion- even if I went too far with it by saying he'd be back in the pros in 2 yrs. Crazy Jim is on an extended honeymoon in Ann Arbor right now because he had immediate (relative) success there. IF there's not a jump to making them a playoff team, will he chafe at any criticism? Will he tire of the recruiting game if the new sheen wears off his program? Or will he make them relevant enough that he wouldn't see it as a betrayal if someone like Ross offers him complete control and the highest coaching salary in the NFL in a couple years if Gase fails? I just see Harbaugh as this uber competitive type guy that probably still feels more of void from that Super Bowl loss than he would from not winning a title on the "lower" level. We shall see.
 
Jim Harbaugh is one of the best coaches of any level of football. Miami will probably be recruiting better (barely) within 2 yrs, but as far as playing better, idk that's tough to say. What I do know is that the only way it matters is if we make it to the CFP and go against him. Better focus on beating up Jimbo and Dabo.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
DC Dog Nuts said:
rustywalkedaway said:
Tad Footeball said:
In 2 years Harbaugh will definitely have the better team.....because he'll be back in the NFL. Crazy Jim and the college game isn't going to be a longterm marriage. He was too close to winning a Super Bowl, is too competitive with his brother who has won one and will be in too much demand to be content on this level.
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I think Harbaugh is much better suited to the college game. He just burns people out, so he is better off with a wholly changing labor force every 3-5 years than in the pros. His rah-rah shtick only lasts so long, although I think he is an excellent coach.

But I don't know if he learned that yet or not. If not, yeah, he'll probably go back to the NFL. If so, he may be a Michigan lifer. I hoped he stay at Stanford, thought that was a perfect match.

On the Miami side, this is a very different Richt regime than I expected. I have friends close to the UGA program. When I tell them what he is doing here they are stunned. He is bringing a lot more than I expected or they ever saw.

I think the in-conference battles are about equal. On a regular basis Michigan has to get past OSU and Miami has to get past FSU. The next step in each conference means you get past MSU and Clemson, both currently established programs. After that, an annual crapshoot. Miami has better localized recruiting for several positions, while Michigan must go national (but it always has). If Miami gives Richt the resources, and so far it looks like it is doing so, I give the slight edge to Miami going forward.
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Miami has the easier path. Their division sucks ***. Michigan has OSU and Michigan St in their division. It's not even debatable.
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To me, the path that matters is to the playoffs. As laid out Miami has it easier, but you have to look at two things. One, actual schedules. They change year to year. Two, and more importantly, the conference title game.
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But Michigan has a much tougher path to their title game. Miami is very lucky to be where they are in the ACC. You couldn't ask for an easier path to a title game. That's why the fact that Miami has never made it is unbelievable. Obviously facing FSU or Clemson is a tall task but at least they have an easy division road. FSU has it much tougher as well.
 
More pressure is on Harbaugh nationally, he has a higher profile and he makes a lot of noise. Harbaugh needs to develop a QB,this is where Richt has the advantage. He has Kaaya and if Kaaya stays for his senior year, Miami will be a legit threat for the playoffs next year. Richt should get there faster.
 
I think harbaugh's the better coach. Plus he has more football tradition to work with. Miami is a relatively "new money" CFB football program and not really a "blue blood" like Michigan.

And Harbaugh will be in his 3rd year by then while Richt will still only be in his 2nd. He'll be a year further along in the rebuilding process.

Recruiting grounds are the one respect where Miami has an advantage though.
 
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