Who Runs This Scheme?

[numbers]

I think it's amazing that after 4 years most of our fanbase still can't figure out the defense.

Me included

We're multiple. Whatever that means.

It means we bend and break.

 

[AUcane]

"It's Jimmies and Joes, not Xs and Os."

can't believe I fell for that trick - Grohlden hoodwinked most of us in the beginning with this nonsense.

Banana in the tailpipe.

 

[JHallCanes]

In this day and age?

Nobody.

There's a reason for that.

Yep. Nobody runs the defense the way we do. Nobody. I've watched all teams who are predominantly 3-4 bases. Not one of them runs their 3-4 like we run ours. Not one.

Thing is I think every college football fan these days can accept pretty easily that because of up tempo offenses you are going to get caught with your pants down a lot.

That doesn't happen with us IMO. We walk in the room with our pants down already. Spread up tempo teams will catch you in mismatches but we get mismatched against run option teams. Completely different.

 

[Cribby]

I think it's amazing that after 4 years most of our fanbase still can't figure out the defense.

Me included

We're multiple. Whatever that means.

It means offenses has *** with our d in many different positions.

 

[Bicho]

Muschamp runs a similar type defense and he may be looking for a job soon and he knows the southeast and florida recruiting. Just saying.

Al Groh and Nick Saban are all part of the same belichick and parcels coaching tree. With Muschamp learning from Saban.

 

[01Canes]

Muschamp runs a similar type defense and he may be looking for a job soon and he knows the southeast and florida recruiting. Just saying.

 

[Bigtip]

From a statistically standpoint what rankings did Golden have at UVA when he was there? Was it this bad?

yes it was this bad. the slurpers/retards will point to one decent year (2004) as the mythical top 20 defense for F/A/G.

if you look deeper at that 2004 team, you will see that the defense was really not very good. it gave up close to 5 yards per play iirc for example.

 

[Bigtip]

Muschamp runs a similar type defense and he may be looking for a job soon and he knows the southeast and florida recruiting. Just saying.

Al Groh and Nick Saban are all part of the same belichick and parcels coaching tree. With Muschamp learning from Saban.

WOW. I dont think I've read anything that far from the truth on this board. what an idiot

 

[RiDLer80]

Muschamp runs a similar type defense and he may be looking for a job soon and he knows the southeast and florida recruiting. Just saying.

Al Groh and Nick Saban are all part of the same belichick and parcels coaching tree. With Muschamp learning from Saban.

Muschamp runs a much more aggressive defense than we do. Aggressive DL with a lot of man-to-man on the outside.

I'd say Saban's defense is most similar to ours in that they run a 3-4 2-gapping defense, but their DL tries to re-establish the LOS in the backfield. Similar to Stanford.

I can't think of any 3-4 today that 2-gaps at the LOS. I feel like every defense in the country except ours tries to re-establish the LOS.

 

[cane since birth]

Jeremy Pruitt @ UGA is the first that comes to mind, Saban runs it, and Carroll ran it at USC, as well. The difference is that ALL of those coaches have a **** clue about defensive football. Our guy(s) don't. We continue to try and run this 2 Gap bullsh!t when we can't do it effectively. Saban and Carroll have came out and BOTH have said that it is really hard to run it in College because the DL kids are generally smaller, don't take up much space, and it can become really complex (especially since you don't have but X amount of time to put all of the wrinkles in.) They both uses more of the 1 Gap versions of the 3-4. Therefore you can be in attack mode at the snap, not looking like an 10 month old squatting to take a dump (frog stance).

Pruitt runs a 4-2-5

 

[pb5cane]

Like some have posted, Louisville is a good example. Here's what they do:

Notice the LB depth and DB's on 3rd and 8. This play resulted in an INT in the endzone.

Part 1. Again, look at the hats in the box and the DB's

Part 2. DT disrupted the pitch lane resulting in another turnover.


Now, here's what we do

The results:
We have given up 22 TD's, 328 yards per game and 171 points.

They have given up 9 TD's, 230 yards per game and 99 points.

NO ONE HAS REACHED 300 YARDS IN A GAME AGAINST THEM THIS YEAR. THEY HELD CLEMSON TO 229 YARDS.

THE CLOUD/TALENT/TOO COMPLEX CRAP:

Everyone knows this is Year 4 of running a 3-4 (or whatever it is) for us and Year 1 for Louisville. Grantham used the existing 4-3 personnel at Louisville. We have recruited and handpicked the players we wanted to run the system for 4 years.

-We have two 5 Stars, seven 4 Stars and five 3 Stars in heavy rotation along with Fentress (NR).
-They have zero 5 Stars, two 4 Stars (both from Miami, FL) and nine 3 Stars (5 from Florida).

Conclusion: Less time to implement, less talent, night and day results on the field. Why?

 

[AUcane]

pb: great post.

What scares me is this comment you make:

Everyone knows this is Year 4 of running a 3-4 (or whatever it is) for us and Year 1 for Louisville. Grantham used the existing 4-3 personnel at Louisville. We have recruited and handpicked the players we wanted to run the system for 4 years.

The scary thing is that Golden has spent all these year recruiting and molding defensive guys so that they fit into his crappy scheme. The longer we go with Golden, the further down the wrong hole (w/r/t scheme/fit/players) we are going with our players. He is putting unnecessary weight on guys, recruiting guys so that they fit the 2 gap scheme, etc. Then, when someone else takes over this team, our LBs will all be plodding 250 pounders and our DTs will all be plodding 320 pound frogs who have no concept of a pass rush/.

 

[edge]

I am no expert, but I have keyed in on NFL teams running the 3-4. What I have noticed is when teams go 3 wide and a LB is in the slot, the LB is agressive and bumps the **** out of the receiver before the 5 yard mark. That throws off the route immediately. That is the one thing I cannot understand about our LB's in the slot. They have a size advantage, not a speed advantage. So take advantage of the size and bust that receiver coming off the line.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Muschamp runs a similar type defense and he may be looking for a job soon and he knows the southeast and florida recruiting. Just saying.

Al Groh and Nick Saban are all part of the same belichick and parcels coaching tree. With Muschamp learning from Saban.

Muschamp runs a much more aggressive defense than we do. Aggressive DL with a lot of man-to-man on the outside.

I'd say Saban's defense is most similar to ours in that they run a 3-4 2-gapping defense, but their DL tries to re-establish the LOS in the backfield. Similar to Stanford.

I can't think of any 3-4 today that 2-gaps at the LOS. I feel like every defense in the country except ours tries to re-establish the LOS.

The point of 2-gapping is to hold the line of scrimmage so your linebackers make plays. I don't know how you establish the line of scrimmage in the backfield unless you've got 3 bullrushing mothers. I believe Stanford 2-gaps exclusively about a quarter of the time. Alabama typically combos 1-gap and 2-gap. It appears to me we do exclusive 2-gap at times and we combo at others. We slant a lot. We also line up in over and under fronts which means we combo.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

pb: great post.

What scares me is this comment you make:

Everyone knows this is Year 4 of running a 3-4 (or whatever it is) for us and Year 1 for Louisville. Grantham used the existing 4-3 personnel at Louisville. We have recruited and handpicked the players we wanted to run the system for 4 years.

The scary thing is that Golden has spent all these year recruiting and molding defensive guys so that they fit into his crappy scheme. The longer we go with Golden, the further down the wrong hole (w/r/t scheme/fit/players) we are going with our players. He is putting unnecessary weight on guys, recruiting guys so that they fit the 2 gap scheme, etc. Then, when someone else takes over this team, our LBs will all be plodding 250 pounders and our DTs will all be plodding 320 pound frogs who have no concept of a pass rush/.

So Strong did a great job recruiting defensive linemen so Grantham has a lot of talent there. He also has linebackers who can fly. Same with his defensive backs.

We're too big and not explosive enough, specifically with our back 7.

 

[We the Boss]

Sticking feathers up your butt doesn't make you a chicken and 3 down linemen doesn't mean you run Saban's 3-4.

There are mutliple types of 3-4 defense. 3-4 just means that is the front, it doesn't tell you gap responsibilities, reads, or roles.

 

[FullyERicht]

Jeremy Pruitt @ UGA is the first that comes to mind, Saban runs it, and Carroll ran it at USC, as well. The difference is that ALL of those coaches have a **** clue about defensive football. Our guy(s) don't. We continue to try and run this 2 Gap bullsh!t when we can't do it effectively. Saban and Carroll have came out and BOTH have said that it is really hard to run it in College because the DL kids are generally smaller, don't take up much space, and it can become really complex (especially since you don't have but X amount of time to put all of the wrinkles in.) They both uses more of the 1 Gap versions of the 3-4. Therefore you can be in attack mode at the snap, not looking like an 10 month old squatting to take a dump (frog stance).

Completely and utterly incorrect.
The only other team I know of in college that runs it is Notre Dame, although not sure anymore. They ran it when Alabama ran a train on them in the title game. Bob Diaco coached under Groh right after Folden left for Temple.

Dude, All of the afore mentioned schools runs a 3-4 scheme. I don't just make **** up, like alot of posters here. They just slide the front and run a 1 gap version of it to make it look like a 4-3. ****, Pruitt ran it when he worked for Saban! Why on earth do you think a kid like Leonard Floyd is listed as a OLB when his hand is in the dirt 90% of the time. If you don't believe me, look it up. Pruitt was at Alabama undes Saban, took the FSU DC job, and now he's at UGA.

Jesus ******* Christ this response right here. There are multiple ways to play a 3-4. The way we do is not done at any of your mentioned schools. They are all single gap 3-4. USC was a single gap 4-3 under. In summary, you have no clue what u r talking about.

 

[Bigtip]

pb: great post.

What scares me is this comment you make:

Everyone knows this is Year 4 of running a 3-4 (or whatever it is) for us and Year 1 for Louisville. Grantham used the existing 4-3 personnel at Louisville. We have recruited and handpicked the players we wanted to run the system for 4 years.

The scary thing is that Golden has spent all these year recruiting and molding defensive guys so that they fit into his crappy scheme. The longer we go with Golden, the further down the wrong hole (w/r/t scheme/fit/players) we are going with our players. He is putting unnecessary weight on guys, recruiting guys so that they fit the 2 gap scheme, etc. Then, when someone else takes over this team, our LBs will all be plodding 250 pounders and our DTs will all be plodding 320 pound frogs who have no concept of a pass rush/.

the good news is that hes done a ****** job of recruiting to his scheme. we could switch to a 4-3 today and be much better off

 

[Hurricanemike32]

Jeremy Pruitt @ UGA is the first that comes to mind, Saban runs it, and Carroll ran it at USC, as well. The difference is that ALL of those coaches have a **** clue about defensive football. Our guy(s) don't. We continue to try and run this 2 Gap bullsh!t when we can't do it effectively. Saban and Carroll have came out and BOTH have said that it is really hard to run it in College because the DL kids are generally smaller, don't take up much space, and it can become really complex (especially since you don't have but X amount of time to put all of the wrinkles in.) They both uses more of the 1 Gap versions of the 3-4. Therefore you can be in attack mode at the snap, not looking like an 10 month old squatting to take a dump (frog stance).

Completely and utterly incorrect.
The only other team I know of in college that runs it is Notre Dame, although not sure anymore. They ran it when Alabama ran a train on them in the title game. Bob Diaco coached under Groh right after Folden left for Temple.

Dude, All of the afore mentioned schools runs a 3-4 scheme. I don't just make **** up, like alot of posters here. They just slide the front and run a 1 gap version of it to make it look like a 4-3. ****, Pruitt ran it when he worked for Saban! Why on earth do you think a kid like Leonard Floyd is listed as a OLB when his hand is in the dirt 90% of the time. If you don't believe me, look it up. Pruitt was at Alabama undes Saban, took the FSU DC job, and now he's at UGA.

I am pretty sure that Pete Carroll has always ran a 4-3 front. I don't ever recall USC employing a 3-4 scheme while he was there.

A lot of schools run a version of a 3-4 defense, but nobody does it as timid or conservative that Golden does. My understanding of the advantages of a 3-4 scheme is to get more athletic pass rushers on the field to help you create confusion/mismatches in your pass rush and blitz packages. We do not take advantage of that at all that I have witnessed. Some schools who do seem to run it properly are Stanford, Wisconsin, and Alabama.

 

[Bigtip]

Jeremy Pruitt @ UGA is the first that comes to mind, Saban runs it, and Carroll ran it at USC, as well. The difference is that ALL of those coaches have a **** clue about defensive football. Our guy(s) don't. We continue to try and run this 2 Gap bullsh!t when we can't do it effectively. Saban and Carroll have came out and BOTH have said that it is really hard to run it in College because the DL kids are generally smaller, don't take up much space, and it can become really complex (especially since you don't have but X amount of time to put all of the wrinkles in.) They both uses more of the 1 Gap versions of the 3-4. Therefore you can be in attack mode at the snap, not looking like an 10 month old squatting to take a dump (frog stance).

Completely and utterly incorrect.
The only other team I know of in college that runs it is Notre Dame, although not sure anymore. They ran it when Alabama ran a train on them in the title game. Bob Diaco coached under Groh right after Folden left for Temple.

Dude, All of the afore mentioned schools runs a 3-4 scheme. I don't just make **** up, like alot of posters here. They just slide the front and run a 1 gap version of it to make it look like a 4-3. ****, Pruitt ran it when he worked for Saban! Why on earth do you think a kid like Leonard Floyd is listed as a OLB when his hand is in the dirt 90% of the time. If you don't believe me, look it up. Pruitt was at Alabama undes Saban, took the FSU DC job, and now he's at UGA.

I am pretty sure that Pete Carroll has always ran a 4-3 front. I don't ever recall USC employing a 3-4 scheme while he was there.

A lot of schools run a version of a 3-4 defense, but nobody does it as timid or conservative that Golden does. My understanding of the advantages of a 3-4 scheme is to get more athletic pass rushers on the field to help you create confusion/mismatches in your pass rush and blitz packages. We do not take advantage of that at all that I have witnessed. Some schools who do seem to run it properly are Stanford, Wisconsin, and Alabama.

yep we put guys like McCord on teh field only to have them 1 on 1 vs teh slot WR. ******* brilliant