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Wheres the bar for 2018?

Realistic expectations is 10 wins and a better showing in the championship game. Can’t really expect to win it yet after this weekend. We’re very far away right now.

The team goal should always be for a national championship and if it’s not then you have the wrong staff. I don’t care if it’s Miami, Alabama, or Kansas. If you’re not trying to win the big g one you’re in the wrong profession
 
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I'll know it when I see it. The "bar" changes throughout a season, whether we like it or not. If Perry looks like who we think he can be, the Coastal Division is our floor, if he looks like a typical RS-Fr out of the gate, but we rally our way through the season, it's not regressing at all. You guys need to stop finding stuff to get ****ed off about next season.
 
I don't see why people are trying to justify something less than progress here. To me, you have to show continued improvement...

ACC Championship
Playoffs.

That is where this team belongs next year. Anything short of that is just status quo, not necessarily regression but we want to continue our upward trajectory.
 
Notsince1985 said:
The goal is always to win the ACC and get into the playoffs now. But, we don't NEED to do anything. What are you going to do if we don't accomplish those goals? ****ing Christ, some of you people are insufferable. We could have 19 season ending injuries, and you'd post, "no excuses, next man up." We could go 12-0 and lose by 1 point to 12-0, #1 Clemson in the ACCCG and you'd call it a failure because we NEEDED to win the ACC. Just shut the **** up.
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That’s so ridiculous. Like all of it. Wow. [Miami doesn’t] NEED to do anything? Really?

If Miami won all of its games in the same fashion as this year and got similarly blown out by Clemson in the 2018 ACC, it would be fair to say that the team hasn’t regressed, but it hasn’t improved.

The title of the thread (which I thought was a troll thread) is what is the bar? The bar, the standard, not the exception. 19 season ending injuries is an exception.

The bar is winning the ACC. Next year and every year after. Winning the ACC means CFP berth. The bar after that is playing for National Championship. Bar after that winning National Championship. Again, right now, the bar is winning the ACC.
 
Major questions at QB, OL, potentially DL.

The floor should be 9-3.
 
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You people act like Clemson is just going to roll over if we get there. Get there and its a toss up. Hopefully not lose 38-3. Im kinda certain we will be better in 2018. We should find out early where we are at after playing LSU.

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Difficult to say, but I'd say no more than 2 losses including the bowl game next year. Here's the proper context:

1. We're probably starting a new QB that we really don't know what to expect when it counts.
2. This assumes we don't need last minute heroics against the likes of UNC or GT. Our wins are more convincing next season and not as up and down.
3. We make the ACCCG again and, at the least, keep it very close. If we lose to Clemson by one score next year, it's impossible to say that isn't drastic improvement over this year's nightmarish ACCCG.
 
jgcanes32 said:
Blow out LSU 40-3
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This.

Our goal should be to dominate our opponents, one game at a time. We don't yet know how realistic that goal is or how close we are to being able to achieve it on a consistent basis, but that is the standard at Miami.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Notsince1985 said:
The goal is always to win the ACC and get into the playoffs now. But, we don't NEED to do anything. What are you going to do if we don't accomplish those goals? ****ing Christ, some of you people are insufferable. We could have 19 season ending injuries, and you'd post, "no excuses, next man up." We could go 12-0 and lose by 1 point to 12-0, #1 Clemson in the ACCCG and you'd call it a failure because we NEEDED to win the ACC. Just shut the **** up.
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That’s so ridiculous. Like all of it. Wow. [Miami doesn’t] NEED to do anything? Really?

If Miami won all of its games in the same fashion as this year and got similarly blown out by Clemson in the 2018 ACC, it would be fair to say that the team hasn’t regressed, but it hasn’t improved.

The title of the thread (which I thought was a troll thread) is what is the bar? The bar, the standard, not the exception. 19 season ending injuries is an exception.

The bar is winning the ACC. Next year and every year after. Winning the ACC means CFP berth. The bar after that is playing for National Championship. Bar after that winning National Championship. Again, right now, the bar is winning the ACC.
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Yeah, you missed my point. That's the goal. I agree. By saying "what needs to happen" and by thumping your chest" some you sound like ******* spoiled idiots that think we should be Alabama and Clemson right now. Again, you completely missed my point on what I meant by "need." My point was, I'm responding to idiots who are posting these threads and posts as ultimatums. Playoffs or bust, meaning playoffs or we start calling for changes. You don't think there are idiots like that, you haven't been paying attention. If you're one of them, I can't help you.
 
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Next season schedule is going to be much tougher, and really depends on who's coming back. We still got depth issues, but the Coastal is the minimum at this point. Clemson was a young team, so that's going to be a tough game regardless, and it's a good chance we play them next year, as the ACC always pit the championship game winner against each other the following season. We always have enough to win the Coastal, still think 19' is the year expect a serious playoff run.
 
Im seeing a lot of built in excuse making, citing our roster.

Three recruiting classes in, hand picked QB with a year in the system. No roster excuses.
 
Notsince1985 said:
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Notsince1985 said:
The goal is always to win the ACC and get into the playoffs now. But, we don't NEED to do anything. What are you going to do if we don't accomplish those goals? ****ing Christ, some of you people are insufferable. We could have 19 season ending injuries, and you'd post, "no excuses, next man up." We could go 12-0 and lose by 1 point to 12-0, #1 Clemson in the ACCCG and you'd call it a failure because we NEEDED to win the ACC. Just shut the **** up.
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That’s so ridiculous. Like all of it. Wow. [Miami doesn’t] NEED to do anything? Really?

If Miami won all of its games in the same fashion as this year and got similarly blown out by Clemson in the 2018 ACC, it would be fair to say that the team hasn’t regressed, but it hasn’t improved.

The title of the thread (which I thought was a troll thread) is what is the bar? The bar, the standard, not the exception. 19 season ending injuries is an exception.

The bar is winning the ACC. Next year and every year after. Winning the ACC means CFP berth. The bar after that is playing for National Championship. Bar after that winning National Championship. Again, right now, the bar is winning the ACC.
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Yeah, you missed my point. That's the goal. I agree. By saying "what needs to happen" and by thumping your chest" some you sound like ****ing spoiled idiots that think we should be Alabama and Clemson right now. Again, you completely missed my point on what I meant by "need." My point was, I'm responding to idiots who are posting these threads and posts as ultimatums. Playoffs or bust, meaning playoffs or we start calling for changes. You don't think there are idiots like that, you haven't been paying attention. If you're one of them, I can't help you.
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Then my bad.

There are two extremes: blow everything up and do nothing. Common sense says both are wrong. And no, I don’t have ultimatums; ****, I admit I don’t even have the answer! But good management is asking questions and challenging paradigms - even when you suspect there’s nothing to challenge.

Everything has to be looked at. The coaches are right now on the trail plugging a lot of holes in the current roster, but until those athletes are ready there is no one problem or sacred cow.
 
simplycanes said:
I'll know it when I see it. The "bar" changes throughout a season, whether we like it or not. If Perry looks like who we think he can be, the Coastal Division is our floor, if he looks like a typical RS-Fr out of the gate, but we rally our way through the season, it's not regressing at all. You guys need to stop finding stuff to get ****ed off about next season.
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I agree 100%. You should talk to Richt. After we Crushed Notre Dame, Richt said were the "same team" that struggled against UNC and others. At that moment, I knew the team would drop either the Virginia or Pitt game, if not both.
 
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Been thinking on this. IMO it’s 10 wins. If you win at least 10 games you are in the running for a conference title and in the running for the playoffs.
 
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There will be a lot of turnover in the trenches this offseason. You have Norton and McIntosh likely gone. Moten and Chad gone. That’s a lot of talent there. That leaves us with Willis, Ford, Bethel, Fines, and Martin. Then you have possible incoming recruits like Silvera, Goldwire, and possibly maybe undersized Carson who will need a RS. Can Willis be relied on after his stunts this past year? Can Fines or Martin do anything? Ford and Bethel will have to step up big time. DE is in a better situation but losing Chad will hurt. As far as the OL, that’s even scarier in my eyes. Some will say losing McDermott and Darling won’t hurt but I think it will especially early on. Honestly I have no idea who will play LT. Really don’t see a LT on the team at the moment. Maybe Hilery but will he be ready? St. Louis is a solid player but I hope he stays at RT. Donaldson needs to get in much better shape. 350 is way too **** big and that’s why he got embarrassed by quicker DTs this year. His feet are like cement at times. Gauthier has to get stronger. LG will be a battle with the incoming freshman and Gaynor. Hopefully all the incoming freshman OL are EE’s. Every other position especially depth wise should be better especially amongst the DBs and receivers. TE depth will be better but I worry losing Herndon. Can one of the freshman step up early? Can Polendey at least turn into a blocking TE? Can Irvin actually do something? Sucks that Mallory or Jordan won’t be EE’s.

My expectations for next season is the coastal, beating FSU, and competing in the championship game a **** of a lot better than this year and a NY6 bowl.
 
AutoCANE said:
I don't see why people are trying to justify something less than progress here. To me, you have to show continued improvement...

ACC Championship
Playoffs.

That is where this team belongs next year. Anything short of that is just status quo, not necessarily regression but we want to continue our upward trajectory.
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I get this perspective, but we could play a helluva lot better football next season and still have an equal result in terms of record. Progress is like porno, I know it when I see it.
 
I'd like to see Miami win the Coastal and be competitive in the ACCCG. A victory would be sweet. But this is a building program. Miami outperformed this year based on limited depth and QB play, and injuries at the very end, with a very aggressive and opportunistic defense. There's a lot of rising potential - a healthy Richards, who I still think is superb, a potentially fit Irvin II (we can dream), returning LBs and maybe some growth in the secondary. Another year in the weight room for Homer and Thomas and Harley.

I'd say something like 10-2 or 9-3 would be good, and better would be an outperform expectations-wise. Good QB play is critical - whether Rosier gets better, Perry is the Answer or whatever.
 
Acc coastal Champs, a competitive acc championship game.

If a loss be favored to win in the orange bowl.

A definitive answer at QB

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