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Where we Fall in the HC Pecking Order

The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs. Miami was voted the 13th best job in the nation. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are. Full Top 15:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
11. Michigan
12. Texas A&M
13. Miami
14. Oregon
15. FSU
 
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DMoney said:
The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs.

Miami was voted the 13th best job. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are.
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People really don't want to hear it because when it rains **** here, for some reason people just enjoy playing in it rather than grabbing an umbrella.

RIGHT THIS SECOND, it is a 2nd or 3rd or whatever tier job. Because of the lack of commitment from the administration. But what those coaches and ADs who were polled are voting on is potential. Miami isn't the 13th best job right now. But it sure as **** CAN BE, if someone who pulls strings just decides that they want it to be.

Again, the only thing standing in the way of Miami is Miami. That's it. Yes, there are limitations here and circumstances that are not ideal. The stadium situation being one. We've talked ad nauseum about all of them. But at the end of the day, our own ******* ineptitude is the only real thing holding this program back. For the one billionth time, who do the people in charge want us to be? Do they want us to be a football and athletic power? We can be. Or do they want us to be a middling athletic department with no real direction or challenge as long as they keep the lights on? That's what we've been for 20 years. If that doesn't change, this sure as **** isn't the 13th best job in America. If someone decides enough is enough, 13 might be too low.
 
10cane said:
In terms of most attractive job, USC blows Miami out the water and it isn’t really close lol. USC is a top 2-4 job in the country, without any hesitation.
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I think USC is a phenomenal job (and it'd be in my top 3 if I happened to be a coach) but I'd say top 10 and not top 2-4 "without hesitation". To be top 2-4 you can't be selling potential. You have to be selling what is here right now.
 
DMoney said:
The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs. Miami was voted the 13th best job in the nation. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are. Full Top 15:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
11. Michigan
12. Texas A&M
13. Miami
14. Oregon
15. FSU
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If Miami has USC’s commitment to athletics it would be top 5. That’s the difference.
 
Tad Footeball said:
I think USC is a phenomenal job but I'd say top 10 and not top 2-4 "without hesitation". To be top 2-4 you can't be selling potential. You have to be selling what is here right now.
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It’s not selling potential, saying Miami and USC are in the same boat is you selling Miami’s potential lol
 
DMoney said:
The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs. Miami was voted the 13th best job in the nation. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are. Full Top 15:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
11. Michigan
12. Texas A&M
13. Miami
14. Oregon
15. FSU
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Absolutely shocked by these results. 2 private schools on here, us and Notre Shame. But they have old church $$$ so they really sit prettier than most public schools when it comes to resources that $$$ can buy.

Only reason we're that high on the list IMO is the recruiting landscape....if we get a guy like Stoops or Freeze in here that can develop talent and is used to the deck being stacked up against them in the mighty SEC.....getting the RIGHT GUY can solve all of our problems. We all saw what a tired Mark Richt did for us....imagine an energized, overlooked guy used to fighting for the scraps in the SEC can do. Vandy's James Franklin was THAT GUY a little over half a decade ago.....this time around we need to land THAT GUY.
 
10cane said:
It’s not selling potential, saying Miami and USC are in the same boat is you selling Miami’s potential lol
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I didn't say that. Miami is irrelevant to my assessment. USC absolutely is selling potential though and anyone saying it's a top 2-4 job is either factoring that in or has been in a coma since Reggie Bush declared for the Draft.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
A coach that won a national championship 2 years ago is probably gonna get fired before a guy who has never won more than 8 games.
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LoL, they signed O to a 6-year, $42 million deal 2 years ago. SEC, they throw away money and they have no trouble canning a guy after 2 consecutive mediocre seasons.
 
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DMoney said:
The Athletic polled over 100 coaches and ADs. Miami was voted the 13th best job in the nation. LSU and USC were ahead of Miami, but none of the other jobs are coming available any time soon.

That is the most accurate gauge of where we are. Full Top 15:

1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Georgia
4. Texas
5. LSU
6. USC
7. Clemson
8. Oklahoma
9. Notre Dame
10. Florida
11. Michigan
12. Texas A&M
13. Miami
14. Oregon
15. FSU
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We're a more desirable job than FSU and Oregon, nevermind the next 15?

Both pay more than here. That alone makes me question the validity of this so called poll.

You have two job offers. One pays you a significant amount over the course of the initial contract. There's very few, if any at all, that will hop on the cheaper bandwagon.

We aren't even at the top of our conference, nevermind the entire country. We're in the bottom quarter of pay in the ACC.

One has to figure that if the head man is getting paid less than his counterparts that the same is true of his staff. So that's a limiting factor in desirability as well. It's going to be tough to fill your staff as they'll likely just stay where they are making more money or go somewhere else.

Then there's the expectations of an aging fanbase who is fickle as ****. Take that SEC job or ACC job, go 8-4, you've still got a job. Here, do that for years, you're not going to see the end of your contract.

Sorry I'm not buying that list at all. If it were true, we would've had a bigger name than the last three head coaches since we would've had a lot of coaches reaching out to take the job.
 
Tad Footeball said:
I didn't say that. Miami is irrelevant to my assessment. USC absolutely is selling potential though and anyone saying it's a top 2-4 job is either factoring that in or has been in a coma since Reggie Bush declared for the Draft.
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My fault I thought you were the original person I responded too.

USC has a ton of talent on their roster. Even with Helton they were snagging 5 stars. Check their last class. You’re in LA, every west coast kids dream school. Here’s to your being in a coma since Reggie bush.

Since 2018 USC has either signed or had committed at one point

- Matt Corral (they dropped)
- JT Daniels
- Kedon Slovis
- Bryce Young (Bama flipped)
- Jaxon Dart
- Miller Moss
- Jake Garcia
- Devin Brown (now)

We all know the only way to win in CFB is elite QB play. USC picks who they want out west at QB. They chose BY over DJ. They lost that one. That doesn’t include blue chip guys like Foreman, Drake Jasckson, Bru McCoy, Drake London etc…. That are all on the roster.

Imagine with a legitimate coach? They don’t lose Kavon and Flowe to Oregon. It’s easily a top 2-4 job.
 
Liberty City El said:
I’d say we’re right on par with West VA, Syracuse, Cal & Colorado in terms of attractiveness of the job.

Miami is not the program it was 20 years ago, we used to be a top 5-10 job in college football, now we’re in the middle of the pack & with the lack of effort put forth by our BOT it can be argued that even G5 schools like Cincinnati, SMU, BYU & San Diego St are better jobs than Miami right now.

The recruiting angle is really oversold, simply due to the fact none of the elite local recruits ever come here anyway, so just because we’re located in a hot zone for great athletes doesn’t really make our program that much more attractive to legit HC’s considering they can still get the South FL athletes where they already are without having to Coach here.

Miami has the potential to be a great job, but the reality is our Admin/BOT don’t care about Football & have essentially thrown 2 decades worth of water over the fire of what used to be Miami at it’s pinnacle.
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This is not correct and it is a very reactionary post to the current situation.

Miami still has the 13th most talented roster in the nation per 247.

Miami still pays more than SMU, SDSU, Cinci, etc. (at least I think they do).

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aelmiami said:
If Miami has USC’s commitment to athletics it would be top 5. That’s the difference.
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Commitment to athletes? They've been a soup sandwich for the most part in football since Carroll left. Their basketball team has gone to the tournament 3 times in the last 10 years. Their baseball team has gone to the post season 1 time in the last 15 years.
 
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Liberty City El said:
I’d say we’re right on par with West VA, Syracuse, Cal & Colorado in terms of attractiveness of the job.

Miami is not the program it was 20 years ago, we used to be a top 5-10 job in college football, now we’re in the middle of the pack & with the lack of effort put forth by our BOT it can be argued that even G5 schools like Cincinnati, SMU, BYU & San Diego St are better jobs than Miami right now.

The recruiting angle is really oversold, simply due to the fact none of the elite local recruits ever come here anyway, so just because we’re located in a hot zone for great athletes doesn’t really make our program that much more attractive to legit HC’s considering they can still get the South FL athletes where they already are without having to Coach here.

Miami has the potential to be a great job, but the reality is our Admin/BOT don’t care about Football & have essentially thrown 2 decades worth of water over the fire of what used to be Miami at it’s pinnacle.
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This is not correct and it is a very reactionary post to the current situation.

Miami still has the 13th most talented roster in the nation per 247.

Miami still pays more than SMU, SDSU, Cinci, etc. (at least I think they do).

You can 100% recruit at Miami. If you build it they will come.

Would a coach other than Mario make a lateral move to Miami? No way. Would a G5 HC or a P5 coordination want the job? I'd say 90% of them would be doing cartwheels to take this job.
 
scrantoncane said:
This is not correct and it is a very reactionary post to the current situation.

Miami still has the 13th most talented roster in the nation per 247.

Miami still pays more than SMU, SDSU, Cinci, etc. (at least I think they do).

You can 100
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The theory is Diaz was hired because Miami was cheap. I disagree. Miami and primarily James were just stupid. They equated his 2017 and 2018 defensive statistical success as a deserving of the head coaching job. This is pure insanity.
 
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SayWhat said:
We're a more desirable job than FSU and Oregon, nevermind the next 15?

Both pay more than here. That alone makes me question the validity of this so called poll.

You have two job offers. One pays you a significant amount over the course of the initial contract. There's very few, if any at all, that will hop on the cheaper bandwagon.

We aren't even at the top of our conference, nevermind the entire country. We're in the bottom quarter of pay in the ACC.

One has to figure that if the head man is getting paid less than his counterparts that the same is true of his staff. So that's a limiting factor in desirability as well. It's going to be tough to fill your staff as they'll likely just stay where they are making more money or go somewhere else.

Then there's the expectations of an aging fanbase who is fickle as ****. Take that SEC job or ACC job, go 8-4, you've still got a job. Here, do that for years, you're not going to see the end of your contract.

Sorry I'm not buying that list at all. If it were true, we would've had a bigger name than the last three head coaches since we would've had a lot of coaches reaching out to take the job.
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FSU's athletic department is having major financial issues. My guess is that is the reason for their low ranking.

Richt got a big contract when he signed here (slightly more than he got at UGA), and his assistants were paid well. Cristobal was one of the lower-paid P5 coaches until he signed his extension. A lot of this depends on the coach and the timing.
 
scrantoncane said:
This is not correct and it is a very reactionary post to the current situation.

Miami still has the 13th most talented roster in the nation per 247.

Miami still pays more than SMU, SDSU, Cinci, etc. (at least I think they do).

You can 100% recruit at Miami. If you build it they will come.

Would a coach other than Mario make a lateral move to Miami? No way. Would a G5 HC or a P5 coordination want the job? I'd say 90% of them would be doing cartwheels to take this job.
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The 13th most talented team in the nation is inconsequential to what the product on the field looks like, rankings in a vacuum don’t really mean anything if results aren’t commensurate to them.

And I never said you can’t recruit at Miami, my point was fans tend to use the fact that Miami is located in the middle of a recruiting hotbed in South FL as a major selling point for why coaches would wanna come here & my point is most coaches can get those South FL athletes at their school anyway without having to coach here, meaning they’re not missing out on the hotbed of recruits because the best ones don’t come here anyway & that can’t be argued.

And yes probably a number of G5 & P5 coordinators take the job, of course they would because it would be a pay raise & increase in profile for them, but that’s not really the point. The majority of our fans are really clamoring for a big time big name proven HC & the fact is most of them wouldn’t want to come here, which is to say, Miami is not looked at as this great destination place for top tier HC’s, but it can be an intriguing sell for an upcoming coach or someone trying to resurrect their career (like Hugh Freeze or Tom Herman).

Which means it’s not that great of a job anymore, it’s basically in the middle of the pack.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Commitment to athletes? They've been a soup sandwich for the most part in football since Carroll left. Their basketball team has gone to the tournament 3 times in the last 10 years. Their baseball team has gone to the post season 1 time in the last 15 years.
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This isn’t about success. They hired Kiffin, Sark and the dude from FGCCU for basketball. Idk about baseball.

The point is we’ve hired and kept a dude who needed to retire three season ago at basketball. The HC of the baskeball program’s mommy and daddy sit on the BOT. And we have bargain bin shopped for years with the football program. USC may have made some terrible hires. But they go after legit coaches.
 
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