Where do we go from here?

Manny’s core principles (one-gap, simple enough to play fast) had us playing the best defense we’ve played in 15 years. But we need fresh veteran eyes, preferably with experience in big-boy football. You can’t be surrounded exclusively by coaches you trained.

Spot on. We can worry about getting some young hot-shot DC in a couple of years once the defense is loaded with top recruits who play good fundamental football. Right now the defense needs an adult in the room who has been there before at the P5 level. You know why fans can point to some bad games by Don Brown and Charlie Strong and any number of "old guy" DCs? Because they have been coaching for eons. Every coach that's been around for decades is going to have a bunch of duds. Yes even coaching legends like Bud Foster and Brett Venables had many bad performances. Fans get hot and bothered for a DC with 2-3 years of success against almost exclusively G5 teams and say "that's the guy" because he's had the good fortune of not having faced the same level of competition that a DC who has been coaching at the P5 level for a decade or more. Just say no to G5 DCs.
 
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Defense worries me but I believe he COULD get it back to how it used to be. Our receivers are a huge issue on the other hand. There's something off that I cant put my finger on. Wiggins and Pope look so unnatural with, and without, the ball in their hands. Wiggins is rail thin and has never played to his 6'3 stature while Pope is a shell of his HS self. The OKSt FR receiver, who didn't even catch a pass this season, looked like a seasoned vet compared to them. I understand there may be some politics in regards to them starting, it's just odd that these guys were highly-touted yet look and play like the worst receivers in the school's history.
 
Talent evaluation has been an issue but there are even bigger issues.

We have horrible gameplans. Look at UL, NC State, UNC, and Ok State games and tell me what the gameplan was? Those teams got off to fast starts because we had a poor gameplan. I get that Manny/Baker are trying to cover for the poor play of our DBs but we allow teams to nickel and dime us for long drives. It looked like a **** 7-on-7 drill against Ok State in the first half.

Our pre-snap defensive alignments worry me. We're beat before the ball is snapped. You can tell pre-snap where the QB is going with the ball based on our pre-snap alignment. You want to know why average QBs have career games against us consistently just go back and look at how we are set. Go back and watch Gurvan Hall covering the slot while he's 10 yards off and backpedals at the snap. You tell me where the QB is going with the ball. A freshman wr with two catches all year had three TDs and a career night. That sh%t can't happen.

I think it was Bolden who after the game said we made the adjustment to blitz more in the 2nd half. We all knew leading up to the game that Ok State's QB struggled against pressure yet we let him get comfortable and confident to start the game by sitting back.

And our poor situational football is troubling. Why is Ivy 10-12 yards off when it's 3rd and 6?

I hope Manny is the right guy but I have serious doubts. Playing McCloud when he does not deserve to see the field is hypocritical. You can't talk about accountability when you keep trotting McCloud onto the field. On one drive in the 2nd half, McCloud allowed their QB to pick up two first downs running to his side because he didn't set the edge at DE.

Rumph and Baker should not be retained. And no way in **** should you promote Banda to DC. Let him go to Utah State. We need more experience at the DC position, someone with a different approach who can bring a fresh perspective.
 
Wiggins and pope suck, they have speed in 7 on 7 setting or camps.. Pope cant even turn corner on reverse against midwest team.. We will still trot them out vs. Bama after offseason championship..

This magical speed we have of 4.4 players cant do **** against anybody.. I think you overestimate our players big time, OSU had a freshman wr with one catch all season cutting our *** up..
He was the best WR in the game besides Wallace.

Its truly embarrassing.

it’s like recruiting inaccurate QBs from high school and expecting them to be really accurate at the college level.

pope and Wiggins were mediocre at best with pads on and all stars at the 7on7 level. All the OGs on here called it from day one they had no business playing here.

stop recruiting WRs who can’t catch. Catching the ball should be numero uno when evaluating a WR. And stop recruiting morons like number 7. How many special teams penalties does he have this season? He also muffed a couple punts.

Hire a competent STC for ***** sake and get Patke out my face
 
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Portal up and promise a shot at Bama. You want to make a name for yourself? You want to be the best? Here's your shot.

As for my expectations from the Canes? 7 wins until proven otherwise. I no longer expect a division title. That's what we do and have done. Anything above 7 is a pleasant surprise. We don't hire coaches that consistently win, unless they are about to retire.
 
The good news is we made modest improvements. We went from below-average to fringe Top 25, and we did so without earning Manny an undeserved extension. The second part is key.

The bad news is that, once we fixed the offense and kicking game, our defense collapsed. This program can’t get all three rolling at the same time. Ranked teams exposed us.

The worst news is that D’Eriq King—who has done everything right and overcome so much—has to deal with an extended rehab. It sucks.

Now we enter what promises to be an insane offseason. The onetime transfer rule will change everything. I also expect significant defensive staff changes. Since Manny isn’t going anywhere this year, what does Miami need to do over the next eight months to move forward?

- Manny’s first order of business is honestly evaluating the defense. The numbers don’t lie. Manny inherited a defense that was 92nd in yards per play. They jumped to 16th his first year, followed by three Top 10 finishes. This year, they finished 58th and got demolished by good teams. Did offenses catch up to Manny’s system? Did his bad evaluations at LB catch up to him? Did he hire the wrong DC? Whatever happened, it falls on Manny.

With that said, I’d be hesitant to make revolutionary changes. Manny’s core principles (one-gap, simple enough to play fast) had us playing the best defense we’ve played in 15 years. But we need fresh veteran eyes, preferably with experience in big-boy football. You can’t be surrounded exclusively by coaches you trained. Manny has a non-football background and came to prominence because of his defense. It's part of his identity. But he’s also a realist and a politician's son. Another year like that on defense gets him fired.

- The next issue is QB. If King is facing an 8-month rehab, it complicates things. Kosi has been a stand-up dude. He deserves an opportunity to lead his own team. I would be honest and tell him that King will start whenever he comes back. That likely leads to a transfer. TVD and Garcia would then battle it out and possibly start the four non-conference games. Realistic scenario, you enter ACC play 3-1 with a healthy King and better clarity about your QB of the future.

- Miami used to be the gold standard at WR. Now the position is more important than ever, and we stink. This message board did a better job evaluating Elijah Moore, a first-team All American, than our coaches did. We can’t make the same mistakes evaluating our own team. We are past the point of rebuilding confidence. Wiggins and Pope aren’t it. It’s time for ruthless competition, including Romello Brinson and Jacolby George.

- Don’t be shy in the Portal. Yes, you need to build the foundation through recruiting. There is already a Top 10 class in the can. But the onetime transfer rule will create a feeding frenzy, and Miami has enough of a track record to pursue the best of the best. This year showed we aren’t fast enough or physical enough on defense. Forget scheme- who was our tone-setter? Any difference-makers in the Portal should get our full attention.

- The word is out about DE DeAndre Johnson from Tennessee. He already has Day 3 draft grades from scouts and is strong against the run and pass. He will help with some of our edge-setting issues. The next target is a CB with size and speed. There are no shortcuts at that position: we’ve complained about big and slow CBs, but we saw a smaller CB in Couch get bullied against Okie State. If the name I’ve heard comes to fruition, we will be happy. We also need a new coach recruiting the position.

- Wish some players well in future endeavors. Age is good, but there needs to be a standard of athleticism on defense. I don't need to name names, but we know who is lacking. Recruits like James Williams and Leonard Taylor start as freshmen at Clemson and Alabama. They shouldn't need to wait here.

- Evaluate the evaluators. People are complaining about South Florida players, but 7 of them made All-American teams. We didn't recruit 6 of them: Elijah Moore, Nik Bonitto, James Wiggins, Tiawun Mullen, Rashad Weaver and Jose Borregales (out of HS). Manny needs to figure out why we missed on those guys and what lessons we can learn.

Overall, we need to move past 2019. That nightmare season has been erased by this year's modest improvements. Don't treat the '21 team like an abused puppy. Raise expectations, trust your recruiting and don't hesitate to bench anybody that can't help us beat Clemson. If they're unhappy, they can leave.

This program has been irrelevant for more than a decade, and we're getting old. It's not enough to improve on a team that lost to FIU. Next year is make-or-break. Get well D'Eriq King and Go Canes.
All in all it was a pretty successful season in my opinion. We were 8-3 and one of those loses was by 3 to a good Ok State Team when our star QB went down. In a normal season we likely go 9-3, we improved on a lot of things but still need to tweak some things on defense and bring in reinforcements. I'm hoping for a 10-2 season next year.
 
The good news is we made modest improvements. We went from below-average to fringe Top 25, and we did so without earning Manny an undeserved extension. The second part is key.

The bad news is that, once we fixed the offense and kicking game, our defense collapsed. This program can’t get all three rolling at the same time. Ranked teams exposed us.

The worst news is that D’Eriq King—who has done everything right and overcome so much—has to deal with an extended rehab. It sucks.

Now we enter what promises to be an insane offseason. The onetime transfer rule will change everything. I also expect significant defensive staff changes. Since Manny isn’t going anywhere this year, what does Miami need to do over the next eight months to move forward?

- Manny’s first order of business is honestly evaluating the defense. The numbers don’t lie. Manny inherited a defense that was 92nd in yards per play. They jumped to 16th his first year, followed by three Top 10 finishes. This year, they finished 58th and got demolished by good teams. Did offenses catch up to Manny’s system? Did his bad evaluations at LB catch up to him? Did he hire the wrong DC? Whatever happened, it falls on Manny.

With that said, I’d be hesitant to make revolutionary changes. Manny’s core principles (one-gap, simple enough to play fast) had us playing the best defense we’ve played in 15 years. But we need fresh veteran eyes, preferably with experience in big-boy football. You can’t be surrounded exclusively by coaches you trained. Manny has a non-football background and came to prominence because of his defense. It's part of his identity. But he’s also a realist and a politician's son. Another year like that on defense gets him fired.

- The next issue is QB. If King is facing an 8-month rehab, it complicates things. Kosi has been a stand-up dude. He deserves an opportunity to lead his own team. I would be honest and tell him that King will start whenever he comes back. That likely leads to a transfer. TVD and Garcia would then battle it out and possibly start the four non-conference games. Realistic scenario, you enter ACC play 3-1 with a healthy King and better clarity about your QB of the future.

- Miami used to be the gold standard at WR. Now the position is more important than ever, and we stink. This message board did a better job evaluating Elijah Moore, a first-team All American, than our coaches did. We can’t make the same mistakes evaluating our own team. We are past the point of rebuilding confidence. Wiggins and Pope aren’t it. It’s time for ruthless competition, including Romello Brinson and Jacolby George.

- Don’t be shy in the Portal. Yes, you need to build the foundation through recruiting. There is already a Top 10 class in the can. But the onetime transfer rule will create a feeding frenzy, and Miami has enough of a track record to pursue the best of the best. This year showed we aren’t fast enough or physical enough on defense. Forget scheme- who was our tone-setter? Any difference-makers in the Portal should get our full attention.

- The word is out about DE DeAndre Johnson from Tennessee. He already has Day 3 draft grades from scouts and is strong against the run and pass. He will help with some of our edge-setting issues. The next target is a CB with size and speed. There are no shortcuts at that position: we’ve complained about big and slow CBs, but we saw a smaller CB in Couch get bullied against Okie State. If the name I’ve heard comes to fruition, we will be happy. We also need a new coach recruiting the position.

- Wish some players well in future endeavors. Age is good, but there needs to be a standard of athleticism on defense. I don't need to name names, but we know who is lacking. Recruits like James Williams and Leonard Taylor start as freshmen at Clemson and Alabama. They shouldn't need to wait here.

- Evaluate the evaluators. People are complaining about South Florida players, but 7 of them made All-American teams. We didn't recruit 6 of them: Elijah Moore, Nik Bonitto, James Wiggins, Tiawun Mullen, Rashad Weaver and Jose Borregales (out of HS). Manny needs to figure out why we missed on those guys and what lessons we can learn.

Overall, we need to move past 2019. That nightmare season has been erased by this year's modest improvements. Don't treat the '21 team like an abused puppy. Raise expectations, trust your recruiting and don't hesitate to bench anybody that can't help us beat Clemson. If they're unhappy, they can leave.

This program has been irrelevant for more than a decade, and we're getting old. It's not enough to improve on a team that lost to FIU. Next year is make-or-break. Get well D'Eriq King and Go Canes.
Where do we go after Bama knocks the program back 10 years?
 
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King tore his meniscus in 2018, so it’s not like he hasn’t been hurt before.
The thing is there's just a lot of unknowns and it hard to plan around that. The worst thing that could happen is if we project King to return, but can't and N'kosi transfers out.

I don't want to go into 2021 with an unproven QB as the starter.
 
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Wait I thought we had speed when some were saying we slow afff.. We supposed to be miami with 4.4 speed everywhere but we scare NO ONE.. Not even midwest teams.. I look forward to another offseason championship of hype and opening game to bama..

 
holy **** Bonito made AA? Fuq I wanted that kid man and Moore, **** Im better then these coaches in evals and they get paid for that ****.

He was ours. His mom, an alum, wanted him here & we tricked that off. Then the narrative was, he’s a tweener.

So f evaluation for a moment; b/c clearly that’s been tricked off....I have a question for every single member on this board, including @LuCane & @DMoney


How is it that we, The University of Miami, consistently get top 15 classes, which is in the top 12 percentile in the nation out of 130 schools, yet we continuously have “misses?” How is it so common that our “blue chips” look like potato chips, yet the guys we “miss on” at the other programs become AA (not all of them, of course....but a good amount.)

247 can’t be wrong about all of our blue chips & right about every other teams blue chips. For 10+ years??
 
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Best Kicker and Punter. Our units as a whole weren’t great. Gave up return for TD, constantly penalized on kickoff returns (and didn’t break any the entire year), plus we couldn’t find ONE guy on the roster who could consistently CATCH them. Let’s not confuse excellent specialists with great units.
Oh how I long for the days of Berrios fair catching every ball.

PS: We averaged 3.47 yds per punt return and in 2017 with DJ Dallas and Jeff Thomas we averaged 19.82 yds per punt return. Let that marinate for a while.
 
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Talent evaluation has been an issue but there are even bigger issues.

We have horrible gameplans. Look at UL, NC State, UNC, and Ok State games and tell me what the gameplan was? Those teams got off to fast starts because we had a poor gameplan. I get that Manny/Baker are trying to cover for the poor play of our DBs but we allow teams to nickel and dime us for long drives. It looked like a **** 7-on-7 drill against Ok State in the first half.

Our pre-snap defensive alignments worry me. We're beat before the ball is snapped. You can tell pre-snap where the QB is going with the ball based on our pre-snap alignment. You want to know why average QBs have career games against us consistently just go back and look at how we are set. Go back and watch Gurvan Hall covering the slot while he's 10 yards off and backpedals at the snap. You tell me where the QB is going with the ball. A freshman wr with two catches all year had three TDs and a career night. That sh%t can't happen.

I think it was Bolden who after the game said we made the adjustment to blitz more in the 2nd half. We all knew leading up to the game that Ok State's QB struggled against pressure yet we let him get comfortable and confident to start the game by sitting back.

And our poor situational football is troubling. Why is Ivy 10-12 yards off when it's 3rd and 6?

I hope Manny is the right guy but I have serious doubts. Playing McCloud when he does not deserve to see the field is hypocritical. You can't talk about accountability when you keep trotting McCloud onto the field. On one drive in the 2nd half, McCloud allowed their QB to pick up two first downs running to his side because he didn't set the edge at DE.

Rumph and Baker should not be retained. And no way in **** should you promote Banda to DC. Let him go to Utah State. We need more experience at the DC position, someone with a different approach who can bring a fresh perspective.


Agreed.

People like to oversimplify and yell about "talent", particularly when another team took a guy that we didn't, and then that guy excels.

But when we gave up over 500 yards of rushing to North Carolina, it was with a defensive line that might have as many as 3 first rounders out of the 4 spots. And when NO Defensive Back lined up against the OK State WR on third down, that wasn't a "talent" issue as much as a poor coaching and/or poor prep situation.

We may not yet have the "talent" to beat Clemson, but we sure as **** have the talent to beat North Carolina and Oklahoma State.
 
I love your optimism, but we’re NOT GOING TO move forward.

Here’s how this plays out. We get blown out by Alabama week 1 on national TV. The team loses heart and quits, like all Miami teams do. So because our players will have mailed it in, we lose another 3 or 4 games and finish with 7 or 8 wins on the year.

That’s not enough to get Manny or Blake fired, because we have a do-nothing BOT. So we wait until 2022, Manny finally gets canned, and Blake hires another beta no-experience loser to coach the team. The cycles starts all over again.

That’s our future. We aint winning **** for a long *** time.
 
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He was ours. His mom, an alum, wanted him here & we tricked that off. Then the narrative was, he’s a tweener.

So f evaluation for a moment; b/c clearly that’s been tricked off....I have a question for every single member on this board, including @LuCane & @DMoney


How is it that we, The University of Miami, consistently get top 15 classes, which is in the top 12 percentile in the nation out of 130 schools, yet we continuously have “misses?” How is it so common that our “blue chips” look like potato chips, yet the guys we “miss on” at the other programs become AA (not all of them, of course....but a good amount.)

247 can’t be wrong about all of our blue chips & right about every other teams blue chips. For 10+ years??


YEP.

We have certain porsters who act like this is largely a talent identification issue. But a significant piece of this involves player development, coaching, and game planning.

We have pretty good talent. We miss a few, and we take a few duds. But the bigger issue is how we (mis)use our talent.
 
I have a question for every single member on this board, including @LuCane & @DMoney

How is it that we, The University of Miami, consistently get top 15 classes, which is in the top 12 percentile in the nation out of 130 schools, yet we continuously have “misses?” How is it so common that our “blue chips” look like potato chips, yet the guys we “miss on” at the other programs become AA (not all of them, of course....but a good amount.)

247 can’t be wrong about all of our blue chips & right about every other teams blue chips. For 10+ years??

This is an interesting study from ESPN. In the period they studied, Miami actually had the highest percentage of Top 300 recruits who made the NFL. Miami also had the lowest amount of transfers. Where they struggled was All-Americans (which can be partly attributed to bad coaching) and first round, impact-type talent.

 
I think it's becoming obvious Manny is a substitute teacher and not the guy to win it all. But if we're stuck with him:

1. Fire Baker. Enough has been said here. Hire someone that's proven and get out of his way. Manny might need to be the CEO role here and learn it's not a bad thing to spot talent and let it do its thing at the coordinator position.

2. Fire Rump. Out of a cannon, no less. 50% of his job he's received an F at. He must go immediately. His failures shine bright every time a team drops back to pass.

3. I wanna know who the F is in charge of recruiting. And then I want them fired. Why are our evals on the non-blue chippers so bad? We should still be signing twitchy athletes and talented kids who are available in our backyard even if we lose some top guys. Why can't we identify them? All these 2/3 star kids our board screams for our staff to offer end up playing well elsewhere. What are we doing? Bring in some ******* dudes who know what a future football player looks like.

4. Fire whatever idiot is running the S&C program right now. I know that's a popular take when things aren't going great, but we really do look unbalanced, unathletic and weak. On top of that, shaking things up won't hurt. Also, make it some protege from Alabama or Ohio state who's been around a winning program, not some loser from Temple.
 
Raise $2MM and buy consecutive top 5 classes. Manny goes the way of Dabo or Zook. Either way, problem solved. We have ****** players. That’s 90% of the problem. And it will likely never be solved in this era of pay-for-commitment, at least not to the extent Miami returns to the top of college football.
 
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