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When you guys watched Mendoza, did you really think "Oh, yeah, this guy should be the #1 overall pick in the draft!!!!"

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DMoney said:
That would make him an NFL prospect, although I think he goes higher.

My suspicion is that he ends up as our highest-drafted QB since 1990, aside from Cam.
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Again, I'm going off my ratings.

He's undraftable because he can't make all of the throws you want an NFL QB to be able to make. I have a high bar when it comes to QBs.

I keep on harking back to him, because he keeps on terrorising my franchise, but Bryce Young is in the exact same boat - only he's more mobile than Beck - and he was taken #1 overall (by a GM that was then fired).
 
Whether people think Mendoza is #1 or not, he likely will be. Raiders are desperate. They will gamble on him.

As for Beck, a lot depends on how he does at the Combine. Does he show a strong arm? Accuracy? If NFL teams request a medical exam, what will it show about his arm? Has it healed 100%?

Regardless of what people think of Mendoza, the reality is that Beck had the opportunity to become a legend at the end of the game and failed. Can't blame him for the loss. But, can't credit him for winning either. A #1 like Cam would have pulled out the win.
 
Most people on this website didnt think he was good enough to play HERE.

Won the Heisman, National Title at the worst school in college football history until 2 years ago, beating us, scoring the game winner and making clutch throws...going #1 overall...and now the same people are still saying he stinks.

To re-purpse a quote by Big Damo himself...

"Some [football fans] are just ****** stupid i don't know what to tell you"
 
BoxingRobes said:
Most people on this website didnt think he was good enough to play HERE.

Won the Heisman, National Title at the worst school in college football history until 2 years ago, beating us, scoring the game winner and making clutch throws...going #1 overall...and now the same people are still saying he stinks.

To re-purpse a quote by Big Damo himself...

"Some [football fans] are just ****** stupid i don't know what to tell you"
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If it is really true that Dawson had a visit with him but decided not to take him then I don't want to say deserved L but we ended up with a situation where QB1 couldn't drive the deep ball and was best as a manager anyway so that is an eval error.
 
Can anyone find a clip of him making an off platform throw? I've looked throw several highlight videos and I'm not seeing it

Against Miami what did he do?

-Took easy stop route throws against off coverage
-Hit a one read RPO
-Made two back shoulder throws which while solid are throws that are largely dependent on the WR making adjustments. That's the one route he does throw fairly well.
-Few swing routes?
-Am I forgetting something?

Indiana is extremely well coached. They do a lot at the LOS with CWM's to make things as easy as possible for the offense in general which obviously effects the QB. Yes their coaches are smarter than ours are just about anyone else's. Indiana hired a coach who clearly has what most people would consider to be "personality defects". Mildly autistic. Aspergers? Call it what you want. He's hired coaches who are smart not a collection of former jocks. Yes mot played football but that's not really why he hired them. They are smart people, an SD or so above most of the opposing coordinators they face, They call plays that make it easy for him and make adjustments at the LOS that make it easy for them. It wasn't the case at Cal and it won't be the case in the NFL.

Skillset;
-Mendoza doesn't throw on the move very well or at least hasn't shown the ability to do it.
-He hasn't shown the ability to actually make real progressions
-The arm talent is okay but nothing exceptional
-Mobility is decent but nothing incredible
-Prototype size
-So everyone doesn't get upset.....yes he's shown toughness

I honestly don't know why anyone thinks he is worth a 1st rounder. The guy has never shown msot of the key traits you need to be successful in the NFL. Well actually I do.....media hype and his association with a 16-0 national champ. The fact that he was mostly a game manager on said team; eh we can all disregard that. That's why we'll see statements like "He's a winner" as if that's a thing. Why didn't he win at Cal?

Go watch a highlight tape of Cam Ward and compare it with Mendoza's. Watch Joe Burrow make off platform throws, avoid the rush while keeping his eyes down field, and flash A level arm talent. Go watch Jared Goff, an absurd comparison I've seen, and you'll see that Goff processed at an extremely high level in a far more complex timing based offense. If you can't see the difference between those four guys I don't know what to tell you.

I think NFL coaching staffs will be extremely unimpressed with his workouts and the actual evaluations they do once they put his college career under a microscope. But this decision won't be theirs to make. Owners and many GM's, largely rich dummies, have become enamored with him because of media coverage and will bully their coach into a pick they don't want to make.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Can anyone find a clip of him making an off platform throw? I've looked throw several highlight videos and I'm not seeing it

Against Miami what did he do?

-Took easy stop route throws against off coverage
-Hit a one read RPO
-Made two back shoulder throws which while solid are throws that are largely dependent on the WR making adjustments. That's the one route he does throw fairly well.
-Few swing routes?
-Am I forgetting something?

Indiana is extremely well coached. They do a lot at the LOS with CWM's to make things as easy as possible for the offense in general which obviously effects the QB. Yes their coaches are smarter than ours are just about anyone else's. Indiana hired a coach who clearly has what most people would consider to be "personality defects". Mildly autistic. Aspergers? Call it what you want. He's hired coaches who are smart not a collection of former jocks. Yes mot played football but that's not really why he hired them. They are smart people, an SD or so above most of the opposing coordinators they face, They call plays that make it easy for him and make adjustments at the LOS that make it easy for them. It wasn't the case at Cal and it won't be the case in the NFL.

Skillset;
-Mendoza doesn't throw on the move very well or at least hasn't shown the ability to do it.
-He hasn't shown the ability to actually make real progressions
-The arm talent is okay but nothing exceptional
-Mobility is decent but nothing incredible
-Prototype size
-So everyone doesn't get upset.....yes he's shown toughness

I honestly don't know why anyone thinks he is worth a 1st rounder. The guy has never shown msot of the key traits you need to be successful in the NFL. Well actually I do.....media hype and his association with a 16-0 national champ. The fact that he was mostly a game manager on said team; eh we can all disregard that. That's why we'll see statements like "He's a winner" as if that's a thing. Why didn't he win at Cal?

Go watch a highlight tape of Cam Ward and compare it with Mendoza's. Watch Joe Burrow make off platform throws, avoid the rush while keeping his eyes down field, and flash A level arm talent. Go watch Jared Goff, an absurd comparison I've seen, and you'll see that Goff processed at an extremely high level in a far more complex timing based offense. If you can't see the difference between those four guys I don't know what to tell you.

I think NFL coaching staffs will be extremely unimpressed with his workouts and the actual evaluations they do once they put his college career under a microscope. But this decision won't be theirs to make. Owners and many GM's, largely rich dummies, have become enamored with him because of media coverage and will bully their coach into a pick they don't want to make.
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I think the problem that many here have eluded to is that the QB class just isn’t very good. Last I heard Chambliss was suing after being denied another year of eligibility so we’re going to have to see how that plays out. That being said, if Chambliss does go pro I’m taking him every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Mendoza, Beck, etc. You could really see this year that whenever Mendoza faces any semblance of pressure he struggles mightily, and you could REALLY see it against us, an elite pass rush. If he does end up going to the Raiders he’s going to be running for his life all game, especially behind that putrid O-Line. See, the problem is whenever you say something like you said it comes across as “sour grapes” or “petty” when I think you’re just being honest and telling the truth. Going back to what I said about the QB class being weak this year though, when you’re hungry and there’s nothing to eat SPAM starts to taste like filet mignon if you catch my drift.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Can anyone find a clip of him making an off platform throw? I've looked throw several highlight videos and I'm not seeing it

Against Miami what did he do?

-Took easy stop route throws against off coverage
-Hit a one read RPO
-Made two back shoulder throws which while solid are throws that are largely dependent on the WR making adjustments. That's the one route he does throw fairly well.
-Few swing routes?
-Am I forgetting something?

Indiana is extremely well coached. They do a lot at the LOS with CWM's to make things as easy as possible for the offense in general which obviously effects the QB. Yes their coaches are smarter than ours are just about anyone else's. Indiana hired a coach who clearly has what most people would consider to be "personality defects". Mildly autistic. Aspergers? Call it what you want. He's hired coaches who are smart not a collection of former jocks. Yes mot played football but that's not really why he hired them. They are smart people, an SD or so above most of the opposing coordinators they face, They call plays that make it easy for him and make adjustments at the LOS that make it easy for them. It wasn't the case at Cal and it won't be the case in the NFL.

Skillset;
-Mendoza doesn't throw on the move very well or at least hasn't shown the ability to do it.
-He hasn't shown the ability to actually make real progressions
-The arm talent is okay but nothing exceptional
-Mobility is decent but nothing incredible
-Prototype size
-So everyone doesn't get upset.....yes he's shown toughness

I honestly don't know why anyone thinks he is worth a 1st rounder. The guy has never shown msot of the key traits you need to be successful in the NFL. Well actually I do.....media hype and his association with a 16-0 national champ. The fact that he was mostly a game manager on said team; eh we can all disregard that. That's why we'll see statements like "He's a winner" as if that's a thing. Why didn't he win at Cal?

Go watch a highlight tape of Cam Ward and compare it with Mendoza's. Watch Joe Burrow make off platform throws, avoid the rush while keeping his eyes down field, and flash A level arm talent. Go watch Jared Goff, an absurd comparison I've seen, and you'll see that Goff processed at an extremely high level in a far more complex timing based offense. If you can't see the difference between those four guys I don't know what to tell you.

I think NFL coaching staffs will be extremely unimpressed with his workouts and the actual evaluations they do once they put his college career under a microscope. But this decision won't be theirs to make. Owners and many GM's, largely rich dummies, have become enamored with him because of media coverage and will bully their coach into a pick they don't want to make.
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I am mostly in agreement with your post. Mendoza is a NFL QB without question, I just wouldn't want to be a team drafting a early 1st RD QB in this draft and maybe even next year. I really don't believe he is a NFL starter. I think he would have been the 6th or 7th QB chosen in the draft 2 years ago. Evaluating a QB for the draft is a really hard thing to do. Systems and fits have a lot to do with success. He is going to be a day 1 starter and I personally don't like it. I could be completely wrong. I wish QB's got to sit a year or 2 like they use to years ago.
 
I don't see how the QB class sucking or being amazing is relevant to one's evaluation of Mendoza. Either you think he can successfully play NFL QB or not. If you think he can he's worth a high 1st round pick. If you don't think he can.......it doesn't mater if no QB is better. Selecting a player who is incapable of playing their position is never a way to make a team better. Yes QB's obviously the most important position on the team so maybe you.....

-Trade #1 overall for a bunch of picks.
-Select other players you do like who will play their positions at a high level
-Trade for Jameis Winston as he's a fun QB for fans to watch during a rebuild
-Trade for Joe Milton, idk if Cowboys would want to give him up (Stephen Jones is no dummy but Jerry kind of is), and get a QB coach who you think can turn him into something amazing as lord knows he has the physical tools
-Reassess after the coming season
 
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YankeesCane said:
I didnt see much from Mendoza that makes me think he this great #1 pick franchise QB

Hes not Burrow
He's not Luck
Hes not Josh Allen ( not #1)

Hes not close to those guys

Hes smart, big, but a glorifed game manager in the NFL.

I also dont think his schtick works in the NFL. Hes basically this generations Tebow and that choir boy stuff doesnt win a locker room

I also think while its genuine it has now become an act for his marketing purposes.

He's also objectively intelligent but lets be real, he's never now ging to use that real world intelligence as he's set himself up now much like Tebow did to have a life that revolves around football whetehr it works out or not
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He isn’t attending the Combine. He has a finance internship on Wall Street starting in February.
 
PIPO said:
My projection for him is a Kirk Cousins type. Whether or not that is worthy of the top pick, not for me to decide but I think he will do very well in the NFL.

Kid takes shots and keeps getting up and up and up. Smart ball player.

I still can’t believe Heatherman didn’t account for a common play they run out of that set on 3rd and 4th down. Brutal!
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He did. But not everyone got the playcall. Remember, they were set up to kick the field goal before the time out. They came out to go for it and Heatherman said they signaled in the change but it didnt get communicated fast enough. He wished he called timeout
 
Kirk Cousins? WOW. Absolutely not. Cousins processed at a very high level in college. He played and played very well in a timing based college offense elevating his team above it's overall talent level. Watch the clip of Cousins talk about the development of progression based offenses where the talks about the change from reading one side of the field or the other based on the safety shell to a 1-2-3-, can really stop there as you don't have time for 4 usually, progression based system. Mendoza's never shown those skills.
 
Well ****, he played better than ours. He ran over several of our players on that run. He is pretty **** good, a Miami boy we turned down. But yea, I don’t see anyone better. I don’t consider him a traitor, we didn’t think he was good enough. Our bad. Yep. , number 1 in my book
 
BRockCane98 said:
Kirk Cousins? WOW. Absolutely not. Cousins processed at a very high level in college. He played and played very well in a timing based college offense elevating his team above it's overall talent level. Watch the clip of Cousins talk about the development of progression based offenses where the talks about the change from reading one side of the field or the other based on the safety shell to a 1-2-3-, can really stop there as you don't have time for 4 usually, progression based system. Mendoza's never shown those skills.
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You are crazy if you think Mendoza doesn’t posses progression/defensive dissection skills. He's at an ELITE Level!

I also see some Sam Darnold to his game.

Ok - whom is your NFL QB comp for Mendoza?
 
jed1250 said:
Well ****, he played better than ours. He ran over several of our players on that run. He is pretty **** good, a Miami boy we turned down. But yea, I don’t see anyone better. I don’t consider him a traitor, we didn’t think he was good enough. Our bad. Yep. , number 1 in my book
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You're drafting a guy at 1-1 based on a QB draw? And no one is advocating Carson Beck go 1-1 or even the 1st round.

Sometimes the QB class just isn't very good. It's possible that no QB's are worth a top 10 or even 1st round pick.
 
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PIPO said:
You are crazy if you think Mendoza doesn’t posses progression/defensive dissection skills. He's at an ELITE Level!

I also see some Sam Darnold to his game.

Ok - whom is your NFL QB comp for Mendoza?
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Elite level? At what? Based on what? The offense at IU was extremely simple this year. 1 read RPO's. Back shoulder throws. Max pass pro 3 verticals where all he has to do is read the safety shell, 1 or 2 high, to determine which throw to make.

I don't have a comparison. He's a big dude who's shown toughness and the ability to take advantage of a coaching staff that consistently put him in a good/great positions. That's great but it doesn't translate to NFL success.
 
People see a QB look pretty good on a successful college team and they instantly want to draft him top 10. This is why so franchises waste high draft picks on bad QB's like JJ McCarthy. Go look at the last 10 drafts and see how many QB's have been picked top 10 and been awful.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Elite level? At what? Based on what? The offense at IU was extremely simple this year. 1 read RPO's. Back shoulder throws. Max pass pro 3 verticals where all he has to do is read the safety shell, 1 or 2 high, to determine which throw to make.

I don't have a comparison. He's a big dude who's shown toughness and the ability to take advantage of a coaching staff that consistently put him in a good/great positions. That's great but it doesn't translate to NFL success.
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How do you not have a comp? You seem to know everything that is bad with Mendoza.

I also judge it on what he did at Cal.

Ok - we shall see. If Brady and the Raiders don’t take him #1, well then, I guess I will be wrong.

We can revisit this conversation for the next 5 years starting with the end of the 2026 NFL season.
 
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