What year is Mario seriously on the hot seat?

[Ghandi]

Assuming, as I do, that this thing isn't going to get any better. This appears to be the Titanic halfway to hitting the iceberg. Another epic failed head coaching hire but with serious dollar ramifications.

I believe the Hot Seat starts in Year 3 in the second half of the season, he continues on through Year 4 and 5. Then there is a mutiny among fans, donors, etc.

A buyout IMO is a forgone conclusion.

Then rinse and repeat the next Miami player/assistant coach hire. The [BGCOLOR=initial]only exception to this is that I would wholeheartedly welcome an interview with Rhett Lashlee.[/BGCOLOR]

Objectively speaking…

+He’s fixed the OL, LB, RB, and WR if he can close the ‘24 and ‘25 classes as is.
+The Edge defenders are top shelf and most are young and will only improve.
+They have a good amount of bodies at Safety
+The defensive scheme is flexible and fits this roster and recruiting base like a glove.

- Too many projects in the QB room. ‘24 is his 3rd recruiting class and they are all projects. That’s bad news.
- Too many slow DB’s. At some point, you’ll need athletes out there. When you start playing for conference titles and playoff spots, a certain level of athleticism is needed at the position that is not being recruited.
- DT is full of young bodies not ready to compete. This will be a problem in 2024. A lack of depth there will torpedo the season next year.

I’m confident that if the scheme stays as is, you won’t be able to attract a QB in the portal.

For DT, Leonard Taylor is playing like a mad man and is really helping his stock for the draft. It’ll also help (if the scheme remains the same) with DT recruiting in the portal.

The philosophy at DB is somewhat perplexing for me. I don’t get it, but it’ll keep going apparently.

So that’s my saying that by 2024, the two positions that Miami will be lacking in is QB and CB.

That, my friends, is another 8-4 or 7-5 season.

Thinking out loud, combining that with the mistakes Cristobal makes during game day…the ceiling here is 9-3 or 8-4.

 

[htownkidd]

Everyone talking about Norvell, I guess…

But the Norvell wasn’t getting paid but half of what Mario is initially and had the grace of Covid for his Y1. He wasn’t FSU’s golden child and didn’t have insane NIL support his first year or 2 either. They shouldn’t be graded on same curve IMO.

 

[NJshoreCane]

I'd say year 4 or 5. If Mario fails a situation that may make sense would be to keep Mario on as a recruiting coordinator of some type and go get a true x's and o coach.

A guy I think would do well here with our talent is Mike Gundy. Yes he's probably a terrible cultural fit but paired with Mario's recruiting prowess in my opinion would make a formidable program.

I’m close with the family of a former OC there.
Not that I don’t like the guy, but don’t underestimate the bad cultural fit.
I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Ghandi]

I’m close with the family of a former OC there.
Not that I don’t like the guy, but don’t underestimate the bad cultural fit.
I’ll leave it at that.

Can you expand here a bit?

Is it across multiple OC’s? And is this based on player buy-in.

 

[cenoc918]

Next yr

 

[miamicanephins]

I know a gut who is friends with the owner of the banner company, and he was told the planes are serviced and ready to be fueled. Mention you porst on CIS and get 10% off. Everything is confidential, they understand.

 

[Stylie]

Year 4

 

[TRick72]

I know a gut who is friends with the owner of the banner company, and he was told the planes are serviced and ready to be fueled. Mention you porst on CIS and get 10% off. Everything is confidential, they understand.

Hopefully it’s not my gut as that would be a very ****** banner

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Everyone talking about Norvell, I guess…

But the Norvell wasn’t getting paid but half of what Mario is initially and had the grace of Covid for his Y1. He wasn’t FSU’s golden child and didn’t have insane NIL support his first year or 2 either. They shouldn’t be graded on same curve IMO.

Why do their paychecks matter? It's not like Mario making what he makes gives him less resources than Norvell or another coach gets because more of the money is allocated to the coach's pockets. I completely get what you're saying but IMO a coach is a coach. If you pay him $8M, if you pay him $5M, his job is to win. If some other aspect of the program was lacking because we're allocating more money to Mario personally, then I think that becomes a much more valid argument, but I don't think that's the case.

Norvell also inherited a program that had won a national championship 7 years prior, and was in the playoffs 6 years prior. Obviously Jimbo torched that place on his way out, and Taggart was a clueless boob, but it's not like he was resurrecting a dormant program. Miami hasn't been good for 20 years. IMO the curve is the same...these are traditionally proud programs in the same conference and state who compete for the same kids. Win or GTFO. Same as Billy in Gainesville, or any other coach at any of these schools.

One thing I will say though is it looked like FSU was getting better in the 2nd half of 2021. They were a laughingstock in 2020, and then started 2021 0-4, and we all were in heaven. But they won some games down the stretch of 2021 (including getting Manny fired), and looked to have some momentum into 2022. We are going the opposite way, or at least just sputtering. We looked great early, we should've beat GT, we got beat by UNC, we were all excited about beating Clemson (as we should've been), and then the last 2 weeks were just offensive duds, so here we are again. Still have 3 games left to play that will tell a lot about this story, but yeah finishing the year on a 5 game run of beating a terrible UVA team in OT and then losing 4 in a row kills every ounce of goodness the first part of the season built. And then some.

 

[423Hurricane]

Why do their paychecks matter? It's not like Mario making what he makes gives him less resources than Norvell or another coach gets because more of the money is allocated to the coach's pockets. I completely get what you're saying but IMO a coach is a coach. If you pay him $8M, if you pay him $5M, his job is to win. If some other aspect of the program was lacking because we're allocating more money to Mario personally, then I think that becomes a much more valid argument, but I don't think that's the case.

Norvell also inherited a program that had won a national championship 7 years prior, and was in the playoffs 6 years prior. Obviously Jimbo torched that place on his way out, and Taggart was a clueless boob, but it's not like he was resurrecting a dormant program. Miami hasn't been good for 20 years. IMO the curve is the same...these are traditionally proud programs in the same conference and state who compete for the same kids. Win or GTFO. Same as Billy in Gainesville, or any other coach at any of these schools.

One thing I will say though is it looked like FSU was getting better in the 2nd half of 2021. They were a laughingstock in 2020, and then started 2021 0-4, and we all were in heaven. But they won some games down the stretch of 2021 (including getting Manny fired), and looked to have some momentum into 2022. We are going the opposite way, or at least just sputtering. We looked great early, we should've beat GT, we got beat by UNC, we were all excited about beating Clemson (as we should've been), and then the last 2 weeks were just offensive duds, so here we are again. Still have 3 games left to play that will tell a lot about this story, but yeah finishing the year on a 5 game run of beating a terrible UVA team in OT and then losing 4 in a row kills every ounce of goodness the first part of the season built. And then some.

I’ve said many times comparing one program to another is like comparing apples and oranges. There may be a few similarities but there are also countless variables that make each situation completely different from another.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Coldest seat in America right now

Exactly. Moar job security than Sabag right now. And I'm not joking. Bill Belichick WISHES he had half as much security as Mario. Spo is actually more likely to get fired in the next 24 months than Mario.

 

[Mansa Musa]

Mario needs to pull an Urban Meyer and resign for health concerns

 

[CienPorCientoCane]

I think this fanbase doesn’t give itself enough credit. He’s already lost a large chunk of the fanbase 2 years in.

You mean the chunk of the fan base that never wanted him here to begin with. The Lane Train. He was never gonna be given a shot by them and they are now reveling in the ‘I told you so!”

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Should have been after that Ga Tech debacle. **** this guy.

 

[Allabouttheu95]

You mean the chunk of the fan base that never wanted him here to begin with. The Lane Train. He was never gonna be given a shot by them and they are now reveling in the ‘I told you so!”

Nope not them. The fanbase he has lossed since Middle Tennesse last year, Georgia Tech this year, and now the TVD fiasco this season on top of his caveman offensive identity totally neutering Shannon Dawson.

But I appreciate you bringing that group up because that only increases the % of the fanbase that thinks the guy was a terrible hire given the resources now being put into the building program

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

Assuming, as I do, that this thing isn't going to get any better. This appears to be the Titanic halfway to hitting the iceberg. Another epic failed head coaching hire but with serious dollar ramifications.

I believe the Hot Seat starts in Year 3 in the second half of the season, he continues on through Year 4 and 5. Then there is a mutiny among fans, donors, etc.

A buyout IMO is a forgone conclusion.

Then rinse and repeat the next Miami player/assistant coach hire. The [BGCOLOR=initial]only exception to this is that I would wholeheartedly welcome an interview with Rhett Lashlee.[/BGCOLOR]

Jesus. Can we ever let things play out without this kind of gibberish?

This is like asking back in 1997 when Butch Davis would be on the hot seat, after the 1-2 start as banners flew over the Orange Bowl on September 27th before the West Virginia loss with all the champs-to-chumps nonsense that wasn't his fault.

This program has sucked for 20 years and fans are whining in year two about buying out Miami's third coach over a five-year span and sixth head coach in 17 years.

Let's talk buyout in 2-3 years, not halfway through year two.

If Tyler Van Dyke was merely playing decent instead of awful, Miami is 8-1 right now—and if he was playing good, this is a 9-0 team and a top five match-up in Tallahassee this weekend.

Some of you really can't let things play out and see that a broken quarterback is literally 90% of the entire problem right now?

Rhett Lashlee? Seriously? A 7-2 team that beats up on nobodies, Lashlee is really going to come to Coral Gables and win recruiting battles against Saban, Smart, Norvell, Napier, Kelly, etc.? Stop it....

 

[Ispyin]

I disagree. I see what he is building. Future looks very bright and believe we will improve. 2025 and 2026 we will be absolutely loaded. At that point, all the rooms (especially the QB room ) will be entirely different.

You’re entitled to your opinion, though. I can’t nor want to defend some of the decisions Mario has made this year.

The problem is that we have now seen enough of him, confirming previous fears that he will have to extremely out talent anyone else to reach the mountaintop because he’s clearly not going to get better as an actual endgame coach at this point. He literally never learns concepts, that even some of the dumbest posters on the site understand, so even if he builds the program amazingly and gets great talent, we have to either get lucky or have a class like one where there are five first round draft picks from it in order to beat somebody in a theoretical national championship game if we even get to one

 

[FtLaudCaneFan]

He’s safe through next year easily.

Even if he loses out and secures the award for worst start through two years at the University of Miami since the mid 70’s, he gets a fourth year no questions asked. Even if we somehow win seven games with a joke of a 2024 schedule + lose to UF and FSU again, he gets a fourth year no questions asked.

I’d start inquiring Year 4. A lot can happen between now and then, but in terms of worst-case scenario, it would take something catastrophic like 4-8 or 3-9 to get the board to consider firing him. Probably gets Golden-esque 4 years, look hard at year 5.

Dang it. 5 years is no long. I’ll be approaching 70. I once had I great canes team but that was 20 years ago. In our short lives a great Canes team might not happen again for me and like aged cane fans. What a shame. For those of us from the old OB in the mists of team those memories have faded and we are left with a dysfunctional **** sandwich.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Can you expand here a bit?

Is it across multiple OC’s? And is this based on player buy-in.

Maybe it's not fair to generalize based on one OC's experience.
I'll just say Gundy is very comfortable with the Stillwater lifestyle and, in my opinion, wouldn't be a good fit in South Florida.