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What year is Mario seriously on the hot seat?

gordonsolie said:
Assuming, as I do, that this thing isn't going to get any better. This appears to be the Titanic halfway to hitting the iceberg. Another epic failed head coaching hire but with serious dollar ramifications.

I believe the Hot Seat starts in Year 3 in the second half of the season, he continues on through Year 4 and 5. Then there is a mutiny among fans, donors, etc.

A buyout IMO is a forgone conclusion.

Then rinse and repeat the next Miami player/assistant coach hire. The [BGCOLOR=initial]only exception to this is that I would wholeheartedly welcome an interview with Rhett Lashlee.[/BGCOLOR]
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I am hoping Mario turns it around.

I really, really wish that he has some awareness, people in his ear that he will listen to that strongly advise him to be more hands off when it comes to dictating the offensive scheme and focuses on being a better game day coach.

That is wishful thinking but it’s some constructive criticism in my part.

If you’re going to take 69 months to hire an offensive coordinator, how are you not going to trust that coordinator. He’s hands off with the defense.

Now, let’s say he’s hands off with the offense. Well then, he’s terrible at hiring the right OCs as seems to be the track record.
 
year 4 or 5, bet he came in telling BOT that he will need at min 3-4 years to get things turned around before he took the job
 
Memnon said:
I didn’t expect for you to say anything but exactly what you said lol

I just think you’re probably not factoring in other variables that often occur.
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Feeling is mutual, my dude.

There are many variables I take to account. Miami is a competent QB from being 8-1 at the very least. That being said, should a stable QB come to Miami and bomb then it will be very difficult to argue something isn’t really wrong. I do not like some of the things we have done on Offense, as well. However, Dawson (who has made big mistakes) is terrified to call anything because TVD is seeing ghosts or has a true freshman at the helm. Not a good situation. Fix that problem and we aren’t having this discussion. But we can agree to disagree.
 
Hurracanes said:
I disagree. I see what he is building. Future looks very bright and believe we will improve. 2025 and 2026 we will be absolutely loaded. At that point, all the rooms (especially the QB room ) will be entirely different.

You’re entitled to your opinion, though. I can’t nor want to defend some of the decisions Mario has made this year.
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Hurracanes - why, and I am asking this sincerely, why must we wait to win and not look incompetent?

Why must we recruit more to win games? Why do we need 5 stars or high 4 stars everywhere to win? Why is Kansas winning? Why is Oregon St, Arizona, Louisville, Tennessee winning???

This is lunacy that we have to wait 4-5 years to win.

Duke (QB injury aside) is winning. FSU is winning. (I am sure you have seen the threads with the offensive numbers) but you don’t need numbers to see what is going. 6 points last night. GT, UVA games.

Mario shouldn’t need a crutch or an excuse for being so overtly bad.
 
Meast21 said:
Harbaugh at Michigan's seat didnt get hot till what year 5 or 6? Will be the same. Year 5 minimum, prob year 6.
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But he doesn’t run an air raid and didn’t do it over night. Lol
 
Hurracanes said:
I disagree. I see what he is building. Future looks very bright and believe we will improve. 2025 and 2026 we will be absolutely loaded. At that point, all the rooms (especially the QB room ) will be entirely different.

You’re entitled to your opinion, though. I can’t nor want to defend some of the decisions Mario has made this year.
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How will we be loaded if we continue to lose to inferior competition? Last class was stellar. This class is ok, and who knows what a losing streak to end the season will mean for it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few drops, and forget the flips we’ve been working towards.

If Mario starts TVD again this week, I’m checked out. It’s his last chance to try and flip the momentum of this season, or just continue being stubborn. If it’s the latter, then we know what we will have for the remainder of his time here.
 
PIPO said:
Hurracanes - why, and I am asking this sincerely, why must we wait to win and not look incompetent?

Why must we recruit more to win games? Why do we need 5 stars or high 4 stars everywhere to win? Why is Kansas winning? Why is Oregon St, Arizona, Louisville, Tennessee winning???

This is lunacy that we have to wait 4-5 years to win.

Duke (QB injury aside) is winning. FSU is winning. (I am sure you have seen the threads with the offensive numbers) but you don’t need numbers to see what is going. 6 points last night. GT, UVA games.

Mario shouldn’t need a crutch or an excuse for being so overtly bad.
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Duke’s coach is impressive and it’s working there. Can’t argue there except they are the exception and not the rule.

FSU? Go look at Norvell’s first two years. Lol
Go look at Michigan. Took Harbough 4-5 years! A&M hasn’t figured it out, and probably isn’t fixable. It’s part of the process.

That being said, I agree we have hurt ourselves significantly and slowed this process unnecessarily.
 
Meast21 said:
Harbaugh at Michigan's seat didnt get hot till what year 5 or 6? Will be the same. Year 5 minimum, prob year 6.
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If his records are similar to Michigan's records during Harbaugh's first 5 years, he will be here forever. Harbaugh came into Michigan and immediately improved their team. However, after that first year in 2015, they kind of plateaued and never got over the hump, but he always had a winning season. Harbaugh was beating up the bad teams, but his losses were always to good teams, (Ohio St, Penn St, Iowa, ND, bowl opponent). Although, Michigan's record looked pretty good at the end of the season, Harbaugh was definitely underachieving.

Then came the shortened 2020 season in which Michigan went 2-4. Fans were calling for his head, which was totally justified. He ended up turning things around in 2021 and they have been solid since. Maybe it was the sign stealing?

Man, if Mario was beating up the bad teams, like Michigan was, and just losing to the good teams on our schedule, most of us would be very happy, but he's not doing that. Not even close. Mario is not underachieving, he is failing.
 
gordonsolie said:
Assuming, as I do, that this thing isn't going to get any better. This appears to be the Titanic halfway to hitting the iceberg. Another epic failed head coaching hire but with serious dollar ramifications.

I believe the Hot Seat starts in Year 3 in the second half of the season, he continues on through Year 4 and 5. Then there is a mutiny among fans, donors, etc.

A buyout IMO is a forgone conclusion.

Then rinse and repeat the next Miami player/assistant coach hire. The [BGCOLOR=initial]only exception to this is that I would wholeheartedly welcome an interview with Rhett Lashlee.[/BGCOLOR]
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PIPO said:
I am hoping Mario turns it around.

I really, really wish that he has some awareness, people in his ear that he will listen to that strongly advise him to be more hands off when it comes to dictating the offensive scheme and focuses on being a better game day coach.

That is wishful thinking but it’s some constructive criticism in my part.

If you’re going to take 69 months to hire an offensive coordinator, how are you not going to trust that coordinator. He’s hands off with the defense.

Now, let’s say he’s hands off with the offense. Well then, he’s terrible at hiring the right OCs as seems to be the track record.
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The problem with these coaches is that either their lackies don't have the guts to face him with the truth or their ego is too big to listen to anyone.
 
PIPO said:
Hurracanes - why, and I am asking this sincerely, why must we wait to win and not look incompetent?

Why must we recruit more to win games? Why do we need 5 stars or high 4 stars everywhere to win? Why is Kansas winning? Why is Oregon St, Arizona, Louisville, Tennessee winning???

This is lunacy that we have to wait 4-5 years to win.

Duke (QB injury aside) is winning. FSU is winning. (I am sure you have seen the threads with the offensive numbers) but you don’t need numbers to see what is going. 6 points last night. GT, UVA games.

Mario shouldn’t need a crutch or an excuse for being so overtly bad.
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i think pretty much every coach would struggle to be successful with our QB room the last couple of years. also think pretty much every coach, except mario, would have done something to mitigate the possibility that in year 2 their QB room was as much of cluter**** (this year looking like cluster****+ which is truly incredible) as it was in year 1.
 
RozayCane said:
I will say this.. I think Mario will get us to a 9 to 10 wins a year team. But that’s the ceiling.

He’s an elite recruiter. So this roster will get better. He’ll win games based off talent alone.

I think the only thing that could push us to being one of the top teams year in and out.. will be the QB position.

In his time as HC, he hasn’t been good at bringing in QBs, and they seem to regress while under him
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It's not whether or not the qb is elite, you need a competent and competitive guy. The main issue is his meddling in the offensive game plan and handcuffing OCs from opening up their playbook and using the playmakers. 3yds and a cloud of dust and that bully ball mentality in this era is not gonna cut it on the field and in recruiting.
 
gordonsolie said:
Assuming, as I do, that this thing isn't going to get any better. This appears to be the Titanic halfway to hitting the iceberg. Another epic failed head coaching hire but with serious dollar ramifications.

I believe the Hot Seat starts in Year 3 in the second half of the season, he continues on through Year 4 and 5. Then there is a mutiny among fans, donors, etc.

A buyout IMO is a forgone conclusion.

Then rinse and repeat the next Miami player/assistant coach hire. The [BGCOLOR=initial]only exception to this is that I would wholeheartedly welcome an interview with Rhett Lashlee.[/BGCOLOR]
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He is going to get all the years in his contract. And the crazy thing is that I don't think it's a bad thing at this point. It's a sunk cost, because a buyout just means less for the next coach, which means looking for a bargain bin coach with Miami ties. As bad as Cristobal has been, we [BGCOLOR=initial]can't keep going through coaches in 4 year cycles, especially if it means another Diaz or Shannon.[/BGCOLOR]

[BGCOLOR=initial] The vast majority of fans deluded themselves into thinking he was something he wasn't (and those who warned about him got slammed), so now might as well give him the full 10 years. That's what almost everyone wanted in the first place, isn't it? [/BGCOLOR]

[BGCOLOR=initial]Cristobal wasn't hired because he is a coaching savant, he was hired to recruit and get a team so talented that even he couldn't f#ck it up with all his meddling. [BGCOLOR=initial]Nothing fundamentally has changed except that his recruiting class currently looks mediocre. However if he can get portal talent that makes up for the recruiting misses, then things are still going as planned. [/BGCOLOR][/BGCOLOR]
 
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Hurracanes said:
If we hit on the portal QB I expect to hit on. Flip a certain QB. Luke is going to be a monster when his time comes. That room will be greatly improved with time.
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I appreciate your optimism, I really do but I have a hard time believing any high level portal QB with options is going to gamble their future on Mario. Only way is if we massively overpay, blow every other offer out the water not this “we can compete with anyone in NIL”. I have very little faith in that happening with the way DT recruiting has gone this cycle.

It’s the same with Elite HS QBs. Mario is the easiest coach to negatively recruit against right now. He called TVD the best QB in the country when he took over then proceeded to completely destroy him over next couple of seasons. Whether we think that’s right, wrong or unfair is irrelevant as that what other coaches will drill into recruits heads. Just like his reputation as being a QB killer.

Unless TVD does a complete 180 these last 3-4 games or Emory takes over and really lights it up I can’t see any of this happening. We’ll be lucky to hold onto Luke with the way things currently are.
 
If we finish 6-6 or 7-5 this year and something similar next year he’ll def be on the hot seat as Fans will legit stop going to games

I mean Norvell got 10 wins in year 3, Brohm has turned around Louisville in one year. Kalen DeBoer Had 11 wins in his first year at Washington and is 9-0 this year

Point is, there’s a lot of good HCs out there who are turning around programs fast. There’s no reason after 3 years we shouldn’t be at 9/10 wins. And if we’re not, Mario is not the guy
 
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