I learned that Im very happy Urban left the state of Florida. Dude can straight coach. He stepped in at Columbus and won right away. Now he goes out and beats Bama with a 3rd string QB. So now the question is where do we go from here? Hypothetically speaking lets say Al gets fired, is Butch gonna be enough? What we know about him is that he will be able to evaluate, recruit and develop, as he proved at UNC that he didn't just get lucky during his tenure at Miami, but can he sufficient enough on game?
I remember Butch being somewhat of a mess on game day, but more often than not our talent won out. I still think that at the end of the day, superior talent will win now out and we can get that superior talent. I don't think there was a true elite team this year. Bama is not Bama from 09 or 11, they were a solid team but had tons of holes especially in the secondary, and from an offensive standpoint were bailed out by Cooper, who should have been a difference maker for us. Also to consider, I am one that believes that a lot of the SEC hype is warranted but its run from 06-12 where they were without question the best conference is over, as they were drastically overrated the last 2 years, especially this year. Even look at FSU, they were once again a **** good team, but they weren't as dominant as last year. Their LB cores were weak this year and decimated through attrition and injuries, and their offensive talent wasn't there either. What Im trying to say is that there isn't a 2001 and 2002 Miami, 2002 tOSU, 2004 USC, 08 Okie and 08 UF, and 09 and 11 Bama team his year in the playoff, and Miami with a competent HC can field a team of that caliber 2-3 times a decade.
Its all about difference makers, take 08 UF vs 08 OU. That OU team was stacked and one of the best coached offenses Ive ever seen, but when the chips were down Percy Harvin and Tebow took over that game and there wasn't a **** thing anybody could do about it. I agree that you strategists but if you get the special players, which we are knee deep in down SFLA, you will win titles.
Thank you. This was more of the discussion I hoped for. Anyway, the point about 08 UF vs 08 OU is about conversions. Meaningful games, at whatever level, increasingly become about conversions on both sides of the ball. That means that, yes, individual talent will seem extremely important in those plays. But, good strategy to get in the right down and distance will also be critical. To your point, Urban was all over that today. He managed the game like a cot**** artist. Bama had more talent and Meyer and his coaching staff were just on top of every aspect. The guy is a world-class f'head, but a detailed m'f'ing coach.
What Urban and his staff did tonight should be put up in a CFB museum, and I do agree with the conversions comment, but as you said conversions happen when you have those special players. Like in that very game, when the game was on the line and OU was playing their A game, moving the ball at will, Spikes and company made the big plays. When UF needed a play you knew the ball was going to Harvin or Tebow was gonna will his way to a first down, and when it counted there was anything OU could do.
But see, this all goes back to coaching. The only thing holding anyone back from picking OSU to beat Bama should have been the 3rd string qb.
Time and time again spread/read option teams have exploited Bama and their 3-4 scheme. Sure it may prevent you from getting ran rough shod over by a physical team(ifyouhavethehosses) but when you play a team whose offensive scheme or playcalling asks for your defensive players to be good in space you leave yourself at a disadvantage.
Speed and talent does kill. But clearly only when its put in position too.
Coaching is of the utmost importance.
In a place like Miami you dont have to be the MOST skilled gameday coach. But your scheme does need to match the talent. Like Goldenshowers said above. We dont need a power scheme in a place built on speed.
the 4-2-5, 4-3, and 3-3-5 defense with a prostyle offense built on zone blocking principles should be one step in the formula of finding a coach with the right scheme to match the talent.
there is soooo much talent in Florida that if you just have the right systems in place you can win and win big at any of the schools.
Urban came down here and won with UF like it wasnt ish. Jimbo took over for Bowden and didnt look back.. Oleary went to UCf and made a top 15 team.
Strong built a great team in KENTUCKY with the table scraps of the big 3 Florida schools.
Percy and Tebow would not have been the players they were without Urbans scheme and playcalling.
The jimmie and joes are only as good as the xs and os show them to be.
Look how dominant our team looked in a 3 and half game stretch with minor tweaks to the defense.
Those tweaks mainly being closer alignments and better matchups(playing nickel). Things that allowed us to use our speed as an advantage.
Its just NOT that hard to win in florida if youre not an arrogant ******* that wont adjust your system. Lets face it.... most coaches are arrogant ******** that wont adjust their schemes.
Thats fine.... just STOP conning schools into thinking you can force your scheme in an area it wont fit and go to schools where your system matches the talent.
Urban and Malzahn are both great playcallers with great offensive schemes. They can recognize a mismatch in a defense faster than anyone and will exploit it all game long.
If you havent noticed, both systems just churn out superstars no matter who gets drafted or who gets hurt.
While it would be nice to get a guy who can call plays with the cleverness and wit that they do.. it isnt needed to win big here.
maybe other places.. but not at miami.
Golden isnt the best gameday coach..... But lets be honest here.... even with all of our penalties and gameday blunders. can you honestly say that if golden ran a 4-2-5 press defense(gary patterson, bud foster) and let Coley free with the playcalling that we would not have been a team that was undefeated or **** close?
I believe we would have been. Look how many players are expected to get a draft grade... all that cruitin bama and all those other schools do and were looking to have more nfl players than all of them.
Proof is in the pudding. Miami/florida is truly a hotbed for talent. So if you have that scheme you will win.
the game is 70% coaching and 30% players. proof= cutcliffe,briles,patterson,peterson,snyder,dantoni,harbaugh
All those coaches did more with less and consistently beat teams with way more talent due to great coaching.
