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Look at the highlights for Armstrong. Two of the highlights are picks not made and they leave out Kinchens in the endzone.

Scheme. Play calls. Whatever. They didn’t make the plays.

The huge juggle catch TD should have been an INT. We just dropped it. Kinchens had a pick, if he catches it, it is likely a 100 yard pick 6 unless he gets caught from behind, Williams misses a pick early in the game by behing a tad late.

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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Manny’s defense is predicated on havoc. When you have a very disruptive defensive line, it can work well because it creates a lot of negative plays. That’s his whole scheme. Get you behind the chains a couple times in a drive and I can get a stop or a turnover. It’s not bend but don’t break, it’s more I’ll break you once and then hold. He believes that if you’re in 2nd and 13 or 3rd and 9 all day, he’ll win more often than not.

The problem this year is there are no difference makers on the DL, especially on the edges. All of us who talked season outlook all summer probably underestimated the impact the lack of edge pass rush would make. We all said “DE factory” and “if we can somewhat replace Phillips and Roche..”. Well, we haven’t. We’re 68th in sacks and 15th in TFLs. Those numbers are way down from 2016-2018. We were 3rd in the country in TFLs in 2017 and #1 in 2018. We led the country in sacks in 2017. #9 in 2018.

That’s the biggest difference for me. DL and safeties have to be great in this scheme. Nobody is even close to Quan on the back end, and we have no disruptive defensive linemen.
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"Well, we haven’t. We’re 68th in sacks and 15th in TFLs. Those numbers are way down from 2016-2018. We were 3rd in the country in TFLs in 2017 and #1 in 2018. We led the country in sacks in 2017. #9 in 2018."

what were we in 2019 and 2020 with Phillips, GR and Roche?
honest question
 
Torocane said:
"Well, we haven’t. We’re 68th in sacks and 15th in TFLs. Those numbers are way down from 2016-2018. We were 3rd in the country in TFLs in 2017 and #1 in 2018. We led the country in sacks in 2017. #9 in 2018."

what were we in 2019 and 2020 with Phillips, GR and Roche?
honest question
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4th in the country in TFLs in 2020 and 2019

4th in the country in sacks in 2019. 31st in 2020.

Numbers much worse this year of any since No D was here.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Look at the highlights for Armstrong. Two of the highlights are picks not made and they leave out Kinchens in the endzone.

Scheme. Play calls. Whatever. They didn’t make the plays.

The huge juggle catch TD should have been an INT. We just dropped it. Kinchens had a pick, if he catches it, it is likely a 100 yard pick 6 unless he gets caught from behind, Williams misses a pick early in the game by behind a tad late.

****!
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Yup. Been saying this. I’m done with Manny too like all of you are. At the end of the day, he’s the head of the snake and if the team isn’t performing, he goes. Just the way it is.

But it’s a cop out to blame every single bit of this on a coach. Like you said, first drive, ball hits Kam right in both hands in the endzone. He was “coached” to be there. He was recruited to have the athleticism to be there. Didn’t make the play. 7 points. Marcus Clarke later, perfect position to make a pick. Nothing wrong with the scheme there, was it? Nope, he’s right where he needs to be. Drop, touchdown on a circus catch. Week 1, ball goes directly thru Bolden’s hands in the endzone on the 2nd drive. Maybe changes the game a little? Who knows. But his coaching and the playcall put him into position to take points off the board. He didn’t do it. Coaches have to coach better, players have to play better. As usual, it’s not black and white.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Yup. Been saying this. I’m done with Manny too like all of you are. At the end of the day, he’s the head of the snake and if the team isn’t performing, he goes. Just the way it is.

But it’s a cop out to blame every single bit of this on a coach. Like you said, first drive, ball hits Kam right in both hands in the endzone. He was “coached” to be there. He was recruited to have the athleticism to be there. Didn’t make the play. 7 points. Marcus Clarke later, perfect position to make a pick. Nothing wrong with the scheme there, was it? Nope, he’s right where he needs to be. Drop, touchdown on a circus catch. Week 1, ball goes directly thru Bolden’s hands in the endzone on the 2nd drive. Maybe changes the game a little? Who knows. But his coaching and the playcall put him into position to take points off the board. He didn’t do it. Coaches have to coach better, players have to play better. As usual, it’s not black and white.
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Same thing against MSU, drops, fumbles, etc. had the plays, didn’t make them, changed the early complexion and momentum of the game.

Failures everywhere.
 
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Goulds Cane said:
Zero gap integrity by our DL. They just run up the field & our LBs have 320 lb guards hitting them at full speed every play. In the rare instance our )
LBs have open field, they are too unathletic to even make a play. This scheme works against teams that we have more talent than, but this season the cupboard is so bare on D we are getting eaten alive.

Our CBs struggle to cover anyone, but that also might have to do with our lack of pass rush. At safety, Bubba Bolden is serviceable but lacks physicians. Gurvan Hall might be the worst UM safety I've ever seen. To add insult to injury, it seems like none of them can tackle.
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This 100%…. Everyone praises nesta for shooting a gap and making a couple plays for tfls a game but what they don’t realize some of our biggest runs is when he specifically shoots the wrong way and gets washed completely leaving a massive hole.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Look at the highlights for Armstrong. Two of the highlights are picks not made and they leave out Kinchens in the endzone.

Scheme. Play calls. Whatever. They didn’t make the plays.

The huge juggle catch TD should have been an INT. We just dropped it. Kinchens had a pick, if he catches it, it is likely a 100 yard pick 6 unless he gets caught from behind, Williams misses a pick early in the game by behing a tad late.

****!
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You're just highlighting everyone else's point.

You can't rely on takeaways - they're inherently random. That's how Big 12 defences operate - it's like watching a basketball game with offences marching up and down the field on each other with the occasional takeaway to break the flow / allow the better overall team to pull away.

As others have stated the two problems are that are fundamentals are atrocious and the scheme is severely flawed as it's predicated on having a dominant DL and excellent S to clean up the mess. We have neither.
 
Everything…. Don’t think a lot of players understand their assignments, what angles to take, where they should be when certain offensive formations are in their face…. When you don’t know what you’re doing then you’re immediately at a disadvantage. Not sure a specific defensive scheme matters if general understanding is a problem.
 
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caneworld said:
Bad schemes put players in the wrong spots... players out of position take bad angles and look slow and outmatched.

Missed tackles is more than just "not wrapping up"; it is also a factor of body momentum in the wrong direction, i.e.; being out of position and forced to adjust to bad attack angles.

Certain schemes have no recovery time... when you are right, its gold. Else you are chump...
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Spot on
 
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