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What did Willis do wrong

jsm1399 said:
Yup. Thomas is probably a 5th rounder AT BEST right now. If he has a 1k+ yard season next year and keeps his head on straight he may move into a late 3rd rounder and that’s being generous. That’s pretty much his draft ceiling for the time being though
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He doesn't need 1k yards. There are guys getting drafted high every year without great numbers.
 
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305to404CANE said:
Willis’s mistake was going with an agency that had no experience on how to sell his situation or prep him correctly! What he owes them in upfront fees is going to be more than his first contract smh! That’s on Willis listening to his boys advice on representation! Not going to get into his agency but they were woefully unprepared on how to handle that! He’s going to be alright but Willis is going to be in debt for a hot minute. Simpson lost all cred with me bruh! Willis production is basically is one of the reason why he has the job at the Falcons and that’s how you did him! Fluck him
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Simpson doesn't owe Willis anything. Simpson got that job on his own. We don't know what happened but we should expect our coaches to be honest. It's obvious that their honesty was either not good for Willis or not good enough.
 
Andrew said:
Simpson doesn't owe Willis anything. Simpson got that job on his own. We don't know what happened but we should expect our coaches to be honest. It's obvious that their honesty was either not good for Willis or not good enough.
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If Dline doesn’t produce the numbers they did last year, he doesn’t get a look at that position, imo! If Miami’s run defense was ranked 103 in the nation, do you think the Falcons hires a coach basically 3 years removed from HS? I’ll put money when he was showing them tape of his coaching techniques during the interview, Wills was the main person he used! They took a DL from the College of Charleston 😂, ijs
 
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305to404CANE said:
If Dline doesn’t produce the numbers they did last year, he doesn’t get a look at that position, imo! If they were run defense was ranked 103 in the nation, do you think the Falcons hires a coach basically 3 years removed from HS? I’ll put money when he was showing them tape of his coaching techniques during the interview, Wills was the main person he used
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The Falcons hired him straight out of HS before, so yeah I think they do. Willis wasn't Simpsons only product and Simpson is going to want to be trusted. At some point in your professional career, you will have to tell someone that did great things for you that you can't recommend them for a position. It is a ****** thing to have to do.
 
Simpson wasn’t the main reason for Willis fall, and I’m sure teams wasn’t reaching out to him for advice but I’m sure he has some sway in the war room, ala Golden with Kaaya at Detroit! And the question still remains, does Simpson still get the job if Miami’s run defense was ******? The majority of it falls on his agency not expressing the sense of urgency with the prep and planning for his Draft! Sad man! His agency is suppose to caught that chit before it even got to draft day! No sources what so ever! A lot of people has let that dude down in his life! Definitely rooting for Willis
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
That reads like professional growth from the guy that said this…

“The best part about terminating someone is asking for their badge and escorting them to get their things. ...”
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You taking a comment I made about Miami firing coaches and trying to apply it to this thread... I was clearly enjoying the moment of coaching change when I made that comment.

One of the topics within this thread is coaches giving or not giving recommendations. The question is, should they be honest or straight lie for the sake of it being a player of theirs?

Let's take what is probably your position and have the coaches give glowing feedback --a changed man. What happens when our coaches gave bad feedback? Does it hurt other players who in the future actually do turn themselves around and need that feedback?

I don't know why Gerald didn't get drafted and I hope he does well in the NFL. All of that being said, I hope our coaches do provide honest feedback because it will help a lot more kids than it hurts.
 
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Poptimus said:
Well, as @Tad Footeball noted above, Willis was a captain for Richt. So you're saying that it'd be OK for a coach to keep silent about one of his captains or that somehow his reputation would be on the line?

If a player is good enough to be your captain, he's **** well good enough to endorse to anyone who asks. Period.
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Maybe Richt said nothing about anyone. We don’t know. But what you wrote in bold, is silly. You’re obviously not thinking this through. Reference calls aren’t dissimilar to taking the stand at trial. Someone can be a good friend but bad witness, and someone can be a bad friend but good witness. There are various reasons for this, but the most basic one is that the facts matter. Richt doesn’t just get to say ‘hey, Captain speaks for itself.’ If he takes a call, he will have to respond to specific questions or clam up and reveal information by what he isn’t saying. The people asking the questions know how do play their side of the conversation better than you seem to be giving them credit for.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Maybe Richt said nothing about anyone. We don’t know. But what you wrote in bold, is silly. You’re obviously not thinking this through. Reference calls aren’t dissimilar to taking the stand at trial. Someone can be a good friend but bad witness, and someone can be a bad friend but good witness. There are various reasons for this, but the most basic one is that the facts matter. Richt doesn’t just get to say ‘hey, Captain speaks for itself.’ If he takes a call, he will have to respond to specific questions or clam up and reveal information by what he isn’t saying. The people asking the questions know how do play their side of the conversation better than you seem to be giving them credit for.
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At the very least we do not that Richt talked to the Cowboys about Mike Jackson because there is a video of the Cowboys telling him such. Either way, Richt appears to be a honest man and I wouldn't expect him to jeopardize that perception.
 
Andrew said:
At the very least we do not that Richt talked to the Cowboys about Mike Jackson because there is a video of the Cowboys telling him such. Either way, Richt appears to be a honest man and I wouldn't expect him to jeopardize that perception.
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Like you pointed out above, if Richt lies to help a kid, the world would figure out pretty quickly that he can’t be trusted. I don’t think he would do that, but if he would have, he’d have done it ages ago and the world would have learned not to trust him.
 
Ethnicsands said:
We don’t know what Richt did here, but even if he didn’t handle the discussion the same way, it’d still be unfair to blame Richt for anything. It’s entirely possible Richt concluded saying nothing (‘no comment’) would be better for GW than taking the call. Unless you think Richt will lie or the people he would be talking to were born yesterday, this isn’t very hard to understand.

Everyone is blaming Pete, but just as with Richt, those who blame Pete don’t have any relevant facts. Pete may have done everything he could to alleviate concerns. Maybe the issue was Willis, not his advisor. Ultimately, draft decisions are made by teams, not agents. And the reasons Willis didnt get drafted include plenty of factors that happened during the draft process. You can blame Pete if you want for that, but it’s not an informed view.
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it isnt petes fault that willis didn't get picked. what we dont know is what happened in 2017 that caused him to sit out after his already checkered past. thats the key piece of info we dont have ad may never have, while NFL teams likely do. the bucs had a dude follow jameis around for months prior to the draft. they will find out about transgressions that occur esp one that caused willis to miss a year. i think **** be good in the NFL and hope he succeeds, but there are issues that were there and an issue that we dont know yet
 
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