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[Fountain of Canes]

Its funny because if you go back and look at the 5 stars from 10 years ago and come to now. you will have no idea who those guys even were because they amounted to nothing. while the 3 star who were not divas came in and worked and are now getting paid.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

You **** about stars just remember Luke kuchley was a 2 star out of cincinnati. Look how he turned out.

Come on man be serious...Call me a star ***** I don't care. Luke Kuchly was a great player, did he win a NC though ? NO. I don't know what you want this team to do, but I want it to win a championship. Atleast the ACC ! We won't win recruiting like this. We will win by landing 4 and 5 stars. That's just how it is. Ask Alabama. Ask Florida State. Until I see us win something meaningful with a team full of 3 stars, yup i'm gonna b**** about stars. Go ahead and keep accepting mediocrity if you want to.

2013 nfl draft
1. Kansas City Chiefs: OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

3. Miami Dolphins: DE Dion Jordan, Oregon
Particulars: 4-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
Particulars: 2-star TE in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

5. Detroit Lions: DE Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, BYU
Particulars: Unranked; did not play high school football (arrived at BYU in 2008 as a track athlete from Ghana).

6. Cleveland Browns: DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU
Particulars: 4-star OLB in 2009 recruiting class.

7. Arizona Cardinals: G Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

8. St. Louis Rams: WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class.

9. New York Jets: CB Dee Milliner, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

10. Tennessee Titans: G Chance Warmack, Alabama
Particulars: 3-star G in 2009 recruiting class.

11. San Diego Chargers: OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-five player).

12. Oakland Raiders: CB DJ Hayden, Houston
Particulars: 3-star S/CB in 2011 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

13. New York Jets: DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-five junior college player).

14. Carolina Panthers: DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2010 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

15. New Orleans Saints: S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
Particulars: 4-star S in 2009 recruiting class.

16. Buffalo Bills: QB E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-50 player).

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class (national top-75 player; signed with USC before transferring).

18. San Francisco 49ers: S Eric Reid, LSU
Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

19. New York Giants: G Justin Pugh, Syracuse
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

20. Chicago Bears: G Kyle Long, Oregon
Particulars: 3-star OT in 2012 recruiting class (national top-30 junior college player; signed with Florida State to play baseball out of high school in 2008).

21. Cincinnati Bengals: TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
Particulars: 3-star TE in 2009 recruiting class.

22. Atlanta Falcons: CB Desmond Trufant, Washington
Particulars: 3-star CB in 2009 recruiting class.

23. Minnesota Vikings: DT Sharrif Floyd, Florida
Particulars: 5-star DT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-five player).

24. Indianapolis Colts: DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2010 recruiting class.

25. Minnesota Vikings: CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2009 recruiting class.

26. Green Bay Packers: DE Datone Jones, UCLA
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

27. Houston Texans: WR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2010 recruiting class.

28. Denver Broncos: DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-25 junior college recruit).

29. Minnesota Vikings: WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
Particulars: 4-star WR in 2012 recruiting class (national top-five junior college recruit).

30. St. Louis Rams: LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

31. Dallas Cowboys: C Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star G/C in 2009 recruiting class (an aside: went to Big Foot High School -- seriously -- in tiny Walworth, Wis.).

32. Baltimore Ravens: S Matt Elam, Florida
Particulars: 5-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

15 players 3* or less nearly half the first round............

2012 nfl draft
1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

2. Washington Redskins: QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class.

3. Cleveland Browns: RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

4. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil, USC
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

5. Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

6. Dallas Cowboys: CB Morris Claiborne, LSU
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class.

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: SS Mark Barron, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

8. Miami Dolphins: QB Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
Particulars: 3-star QB in 2007 recruiting class.

9. Carolina Panthers: LB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
Particulars: 3-star LB in 2009 recruiting class.

10. Buffalo Bills: CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class (national top-90 player).

11. Kansas City Chiefs: DT Dontari Poe, Memphis
Particulars: 2-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

12. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

13. Arizona Cardinals: WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

14. St. Louis Rams: DT Michael Brockers, LSU
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class.

15. Seattle Seahawks: DE Bruce Irvin, West Virginia
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-10 junior college player).

16. New York Jets: DE Quinton Coples, North Carolina
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

18. San Diego Chargers: DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2007 recruiting class.

19. Chicago Bears: DE Shea McClellin, Boise State
Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

20. Tennessee Titans: WR Kendall Wright, Baylor
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

21. New England Patriots: DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
Particulars: 2-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

22. Cleveland Browns: QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
Particulars: Graduated high school in 2001, before Rivals.com recruiting rankings existed. Played minor league baseball for five years before signing with Oklahoma State in 2007.

23. Detroit Lions: OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: G David DeCastro, Stanford
Particulars: 3-star C in 2008 recruiting class.

25. New England Patriots: LB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2008 recruiting class.

26. Houston Texans: DE Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

27. Cincinnati Bengals: G Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

28. Green Bay Packers: DE Nick Perry, USC
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

29. Minnesota Vikings: S Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

30. San Francisco 49ers: WR A.J. Jenkins, Illinois
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

31. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Doug Martin, Boise State
Particulars: 2-star RB in 2007 recruiting class.

32. New York Giants: RB David Wilson, Virginia Tech
Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

14 players 3* or less.......................

2011 nfl draft
1. Carolina Panthers: QB Cam Newton, Auburn
Particulars: 5-star QB in 2010 recruiting class (national No. 1 junior college player; also was a five-star QB and a national top-30 player out of high school in 2007 class).

2. Denver Broncos: OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

3. Buffalo Bills: DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

4. Cincinnati Bengals: WR A.J. Green, Georgia
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

5. Arizona Cardinals: CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-five player; known as Patrick Johnson in high school).

6. Atlanta Falcons: WR Julio Jones, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-five player).

7. San Francisco 49ers: DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

8. Tennessee Titans: QB Jake Locker, Washington
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2006 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

9. Dallas Cowboys: OT Tyron Smith, USC
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

10. Jacksonville Jaguars: QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
Particulars: 5-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

11. Houston Texans: DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class (signed with Central Michigan before transferring).

12. Minnesota Vikings: QB Christian Ponder, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star QB in 2006 recruiting class.

13. Detroit Lions: DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

14. St. Louis Rams: DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

15. Miami Dolphins: C Mike Pouncey, Florida
Particulars: 4-star G in 2007 recruiting class.

16. Washington Redskins: LB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

17. New England Patriots: OT Nate Solder, Colorado
Particulars: 3-star TE in 2006 recruiting class.

18. San Diego Chargers: DT Corey Liuget, Illinois
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-80 player).

19. New York Giants: CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2006 recruiting class.

21. Cleveland Browns: DT Phil Taylor, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2006 recruiting class (signed with Penn State before transferring).

22. Indianapolis Colts: OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2007 recruiting class (prep school recruit).

23. Philadelphia Eagles: G Danny Watkins, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 junior college recruit).

24. New Orleans: DE Cameron Jordan, California
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

25. Seattle Seahawks: OT James Carpenter, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 junior college recruit).

26. Kansas City Chiefs: WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

27. Baltimore Ravens: CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2006 recruiting class.

28. New Orleans Saints: RB Mark Ingram, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class.

29. Chicago Bears: OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star OT in 2006 recruiting class.

30. New York Jets: DT Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class (prep school recruit).

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2007 recruiting class.

32. Green Bay Packers: OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2007 recruiting class.

13 players 3* stars or less ........... Do you see a trend here? Not a statistics major and I see a pattern. You star humpers are crazy.

 

[drifters1234]

That's funny, because I draw the opposite conclusion from those draft lists that you do. Those three drafts suggest that a very high percentage of the 4 and 5 stars fulfill their potential.

Given how few 4 and 5* recruits there are each year, the percentage of those that our 1st rounders is significantly higher than the countless 3 stars and below recruits.

 

[jjacks93]

You **** about stars just remember Luke kuchley was a 2 star out of cincinnati. Look how he turned out.

Come on man be serious...Call me a star ***** I don't care. Luke Kuchly was a great player, did he win a NC though ? NO. I don't know what you want this team to do, but I want it to win a championship. Atleast the ACC ! We won't win recruiting like this. We will win by landing 4 and 5 stars. That's just how it is. Ask Alabama. Ask Florida State. Until I see us win something meaningful with a team full of 3 stars, yup i'm gonna b**** about stars. Go ahead and keep accepting mediocrity if you want to.

2013 nfl draft
1. Kansas City Chiefs: OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

3. Miami Dolphins: DE Dion Jordan, Oregon
Particulars: 4-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
Particulars: 2-star TE in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

5. Detroit Lions: DE Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, BYU
Particulars: Unranked; did not play high school football (arrived at BYU in 2008 as a track athlete from Ghana).

6. Cleveland Browns: DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU
Particulars: 4-star OLB in 2009 recruiting class.

7. Arizona Cardinals: G Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

8. St. Louis Rams: WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class.

9. New York Jets: CB Dee Milliner, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

10. Tennessee Titans: G Chance Warmack, Alabama
Particulars: 3-star G in 2009 recruiting class.

11. San Diego Chargers: OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-five player).

12. Oakland Raiders: CB DJ Hayden, Houston
Particulars: 3-star S/CB in 2011 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

13. New York Jets: DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-five junior college player).

14. Carolina Panthers: DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2010 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

15. New Orleans Saints: S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
Particulars: 4-star S in 2009 recruiting class.

16. Buffalo Bills: QB E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-50 player).

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class (national top-75 player; signed with USC before transferring).

18. San Francisco 49ers: S Eric Reid, LSU
Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

19. New York Giants: G Justin Pugh, Syracuse
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

20. Chicago Bears: G Kyle Long, Oregon
Particulars: 3-star OT in 2012 recruiting class (national top-30 junior college player; signed with Florida State to play baseball out of high school in 2008).

21. Cincinnati Bengals: TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
Particulars: 3-star TE in 2009 recruiting class.

22. Atlanta Falcons: CB Desmond Trufant, Washington
Particulars: 3-star CB in 2009 recruiting class.

23. Minnesota Vikings: DT Sharrif Floyd, Florida
Particulars: 5-star DT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-five player).

24. Indianapolis Colts: DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2010 recruiting class.

25. Minnesota Vikings: CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2009 recruiting class.

26. Green Bay Packers: DE Datone Jones, UCLA
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

27. Houston Texans: WR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2010 recruiting class.

28. Denver Broncos: DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-25 junior college recruit).

29. Minnesota Vikings: WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
Particulars: 4-star WR in 2012 recruiting class (national top-five junior college recruit).

30. St. Louis Rams: LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

31. Dallas Cowboys: C Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star G/C in 2009 recruiting class (an aside: went to Big Foot High School -- seriously -- in tiny Walworth, Wis.).

32. Baltimore Ravens: S Matt Elam, Florida
Particulars: 5-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

15 players 3* or less nearly half the first round............

2012 nfl draft
1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

2. Washington Redskins: QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class.

3. Cleveland Browns: RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

4. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil, USC
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

5. Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

6. Dallas Cowboys: CB Morris Claiborne, LSU
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class.

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: SS Mark Barron, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

8. Miami Dolphins: QB Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
Particulars: 3-star QB in 2007 recruiting class.

9. Carolina Panthers: LB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
Particulars: 3-star LB in 2009 recruiting class.

10. Buffalo Bills: CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class (national top-90 player).

11. Kansas City Chiefs: DT Dontari Poe, Memphis
Particulars: 2-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

12. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

13. Arizona Cardinals: WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

14. St. Louis Rams: DT Michael Brockers, LSU
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class.

15. Seattle Seahawks: DE Bruce Irvin, West Virginia
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-10 junior college player).

16. New York Jets: DE Quinton Coples, North Carolina
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

18. San Diego Chargers: DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2007 recruiting class.

19. Chicago Bears: DE Shea McClellin, Boise State
Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

20. Tennessee Titans: WR Kendall Wright, Baylor
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

21. New England Patriots: DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
Particulars: 2-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

22. Cleveland Browns: QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
Particulars: Graduated high school in 2001, before Rivals.com recruiting rankings existed. Played minor league baseball for five years before signing with Oklahoma State in 2007.

23. Detroit Lions: OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: G David DeCastro, Stanford
Particulars: 3-star C in 2008 recruiting class.

25. New England Patriots: LB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2008 recruiting class.

26. Houston Texans: DE Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

27. Cincinnati Bengals: G Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

28. Green Bay Packers: DE Nick Perry, USC
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

29. Minnesota Vikings: S Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

30. San Francisco 49ers: WR A.J. Jenkins, Illinois
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

31. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Doug Martin, Boise State
Particulars: 2-star RB in 2007 recruiting class.

32. New York Giants: RB David Wilson, Virginia Tech
Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

14 players 3* or less.......................

2011 nfl draft
1. Carolina Panthers: QB Cam Newton, Auburn
Particulars: 5-star QB in 2010 recruiting class (national No. 1 junior college player; also was a five-star QB and a national top-30 player out of high school in 2007 class).

2. Denver Broncos: OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

3. Buffalo Bills: DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

4. Cincinnati Bengals: WR A.J. Green, Georgia
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

5. Arizona Cardinals: CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-five player; known as Patrick Johnson in high school).

6. Atlanta Falcons: WR Julio Jones, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-five player).

7. San Francisco 49ers: DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

8. Tennessee Titans: QB Jake Locker, Washington
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2006 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

9. Dallas Cowboys: OT Tyron Smith, USC
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

10. Jacksonville Jaguars: QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
Particulars: 5-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

11. Houston Texans: DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class (signed with Central Michigan before transferring).

12. Minnesota Vikings: QB Christian Ponder, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star QB in 2006 recruiting class.

13. Detroit Lions: DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

14. St. Louis Rams: DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

15. Miami Dolphins: C Mike Pouncey, Florida
Particulars: 4-star G in 2007 recruiting class.

16. Washington Redskins: LB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

17. New England Patriots: OT Nate Solder, Colorado
Particulars: 3-star TE in 2006 recruiting class.

18. San Diego Chargers: DT Corey Liuget, Illinois
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-80 player).

19. New York Giants: CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2006 recruiting class.

21. Cleveland Browns: DT Phil Taylor, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2006 recruiting class (signed with Penn State before transferring).

22. Indianapolis Colts: OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2007 recruiting class (prep school recruit).

23. Philadelphia Eagles: G Danny Watkins, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 junior college recruit).

24. New Orleans: DE Cameron Jordan, California
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

25. Seattle Seahawks: OT James Carpenter, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 junior college recruit).

26. Kansas City Chiefs: WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

27. Baltimore Ravens: CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2006 recruiting class.

28. New Orleans Saints: RB Mark Ingram, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class.

29. Chicago Bears: OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star OT in 2006 recruiting class.

30. New York Jets: DT Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class (prep school recruit).

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2007 recruiting class.

32. Green Bay Packers: OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2007 recruiting class.

13 players 3* stars or less ........... Do you see a trend here? Not a statistics major and I see a pattern. You star humpers are crazy.

You're missing the point. I wonder how many of those 13 players were coached by competent coaches who actually developed them...I wonder how many of those low rated players have a championship ring. I see many of those 3 stars coming from schools like Iowa, Baylor, Boston College, Purdue, Temple, in other words teams who havent won sht.


Getting drafted does not always correlate to college success. Ask Ken Dorsey. Many times it's about measurables and potential...You know the NFL drafts guys that will work in their system...The NFL has coaches that can further develop these guys. We don't have the luxury to continue to take projects unless we can develop them. Take a look at the average star rating of the last few national champions. I'm sure you'll see a different trend. Fact of the matter is there are many more 3 star recruits than there are 5 stars so of course you will see a decent number in the draft. But like drifters said the percentage of them being drafted is higher. You're trying to justify mediocre recruiting that has gotten us nowhere, can't even win the Coastal ! We have some really talented players...But we still dont have enough.

 

[japancane]

You **** about stars just remember Luke kuchley was a 2 star out of cincinnati. Look how he turned out.

Come on man be serious...Call me a star ***** I don't care. Luke Kuchly was a great player, did he win a NC though ? NO. I don't know what you want this team to do, but I want it to win a championship. Atleast the ACC ! We won't win recruiting like this. We will win by landing 4 and 5 stars. That's just how it is. Ask Alabama. Ask Florida State. Until I see us win something meaningful with a team full of 3 stars, yup i'm gonna b**** about stars. Go ahead and keep accepting mediocrity if you want to.

2013 nfl draft
1. Kansas City Chiefs: OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

3. Miami Dolphins: DE Dion Jordan, Oregon
Particulars: 4-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
Particulars: 2-star TE in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

5. Detroit Lions: DE Ezekiel "Ziggy" Ansah, BYU
Particulars: Unranked; did not play high school football (arrived at BYU in 2008 as a track athlete from Ghana).

6. Cleveland Browns: DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU
Particulars: 4-star OLB in 2009 recruiting class.

7. Arizona Cardinals: G Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

8. St. Louis Rams: WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia
Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class.

9. New York Jets: CB Dee Milliner, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

10. Tennessee Titans: G Chance Warmack, Alabama
Particulars: 3-star G in 2009 recruiting class.

11. San Diego Chargers: OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-five player).

12. Oakland Raiders: CB DJ Hayden, Houston
Particulars: 3-star S/CB in 2011 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

13. New York Jets: DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-five junior college player).

14. Carolina Panthers: DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2010 recruiting class (national top-50 junior college player).

15. New Orleans Saints: S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
Particulars: 4-star S in 2009 recruiting class.

16. Buffalo Bills: QB E.J. Manuel, Florida State
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-50 player).

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class (national top-75 player; signed with USC before transferring).

18. San Francisco 49ers: S Eric Reid, LSU
Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

19. New York Giants: G Justin Pugh, Syracuse
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2009 recruiting class.

20. Chicago Bears: G Kyle Long, Oregon
Particulars: 3-star OT in 2012 recruiting class (national top-30 junior college player; signed with Florida State to play baseball out of high school in 2008).

21. Cincinnati Bengals: TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
Particulars: 3-star TE in 2009 recruiting class.

22. Atlanta Falcons: CB Desmond Trufant, Washington
Particulars: 3-star CB in 2009 recruiting class.

23. Minnesota Vikings: DT Sharrif Floyd, Florida
Particulars: 5-star DT in 2010 recruiting class (national top-five player).

24. Indianapolis Colts: DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2010 recruiting class.

25. Minnesota Vikings: CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2009 recruiting class.

26. Green Bay Packers: DE Datone Jones, UCLA
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

27. Houston Texans: WR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2010 recruiting class.

28. Denver Broncos: DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2011 recruiting class (national top-25 junior college recruit).

29. Minnesota Vikings: WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
Particulars: 4-star WR in 2012 recruiting class (national top-five junior college recruit).

30. St. Louis Rams: LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Particulars: 4-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

31. Dallas Cowboys: C Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star G/C in 2009 recruiting class (an aside: went to Big Foot High School -- seriously -- in tiny Walworth, Wis.).

32. Baltimore Ravens: S Matt Elam, Florida
Particulars: 5-star S in 2010 recruiting class (national top-25 player).

15 players 3* or less nearly half the first round............

2012 nfl draft
1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck, Stanford
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

2. Washington Redskins: QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2008 recruiting class.

3. Cleveland Browns: RB Trent Richardson, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

4. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil, USC
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

5. Jacksonville Jaguars: WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

6. Dallas Cowboys: CB Morris Claiborne, LSU
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class.

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: SS Mark Barron, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

8. Miami Dolphins: QB Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
Particulars: 3-star QB in 2007 recruiting class.

9. Carolina Panthers: LB Luke Kuechly, Boston College
Particulars: 3-star LB in 2009 recruiting class.

10. Buffalo Bills: CB Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2009 recruiting class (national top-90 player).

11. Kansas City Chiefs: DT Dontari Poe, Memphis
Particulars: 2-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

12. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-100 player).

13. Arizona Cardinals: WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

14. St. Louis Rams: DT Michael Brockers, LSU
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2009 recruiting class.

15. Seattle Seahawks: DE Bruce Irvin, West Virginia
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2010 recruiting class (national top-10 junior college player).

16. New York Jets: DE Quinton Coples, North Carolina
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

18. San Diego Chargers: DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2007 recruiting class.

19. Chicago Bears: DE Shea McClellin, Boise State
Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

20. Tennessee Titans: WR Kendall Wright, Baylor
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

21. New England Patriots: DE Chandler Jones, Syracuse
Particulars: 2-star TE in 2008 recruiting class.

22. Cleveland Browns: QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
Particulars: Graduated high school in 2001, before Rivals.com recruiting rankings existed. Played minor league baseball for five years before signing with Oklahoma State in 2007.

23. Detroit Lions: OT Riley Reiff, Iowa
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: G David DeCastro, Stanford
Particulars: 3-star C in 2008 recruiting class.

25. New England Patriots: LB Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star LB in 2008 recruiting class.

26. Houston Texans: DE Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

27. Cincinnati Bengals: G Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class.

28. Green Bay Packers: DE Nick Perry, USC
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class (national top-60 player).

29. Minnesota Vikings: S Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

30. San Francisco 49ers: WR A.J. Jenkins, Illinois
Particulars: 3-star WR in 2008 recruiting class.

31. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Doug Martin, Boise State
Particulars: 2-star RB in 2007 recruiting class.

32. New York Giants: RB David Wilson, Virginia Tech
Particulars: 4-star RB in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 player).

14 players 3* or less.......................

2011 nfl draft
1. Carolina Panthers: QB Cam Newton, Auburn
Particulars: 5-star QB in 2010 recruiting class (national No. 1 junior college player; also was a five-star QB and a national top-30 player out of high school in 2007 class).

2. Denver Broncos: OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

3. Buffalo Bills: DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2008 recruiting class.

4. Cincinnati Bengals: WR A.J. Green, Georgia
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-10 player).

5. Arizona Cardinals: CB Patrick Peterson, LSU
Particulars: 5-star CB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-five player; known as Patrick Johnson in high school).

6. Atlanta Falcons: WR Julio Jones, Alabama
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-five player).

7. San Francisco 49ers: DE Aldon Smith, Missouri
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

8. Tennessee Titans: QB Jake Locker, Washington
Particulars: 4-star QB in 2006 recruiting class (national top-70 player).

9. Dallas Cowboys: OT Tyron Smith, USC
Particulars: 5-star OT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

10. Jacksonville Jaguars: QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
Particulars: 5-star QB in 2008 recruiting class (national top-15 player).

11. Houston Texans: DE J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
Particulars: 2-star DE in 2007 recruiting class (signed with Central Michigan before transferring).

12. Minnesota Vikings: QB Christian Ponder, Florida State
Particulars: 3-star QB in 2006 recruiting class.

13. Detroit Lions: DT Nick Fairley, Auburn
Particulars: 3-star DT in 2009 recruiting class (junior college recruit).

14. St. Louis Rams: DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2008 recruiting class.

15. Miami Dolphins: C Mike Pouncey, Florida
Particulars: 4-star G in 2007 recruiting class.

16. Washington Redskins: LB Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

17. New England Patriots: OT Nate Solder, Colorado
Particulars: 3-star TE in 2006 recruiting class.

18. San Diego Chargers: DT Corey Liuget, Illinois
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2008 recruiting class (national top-80 player).

19. New York Giants: CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2007 recruiting class.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
Particulars: 4-star DE in 2006 recruiting class.

21. Cleveland Browns: DT Phil Taylor, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2006 recruiting class (signed with Penn State before transferring).

22. Indianapolis Colts: OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College
Particulars: 2-star OT in 2007 recruiting class (prep school recruit).

23. Philadelphia Eagles: G Danny Watkins, Baylor
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 junior college recruit).

24. New Orleans: DE Cameron Jordan, California
Particulars: 3-star DE in 2007 recruiting class.

25. Seattle Seahawks: OT James Carpenter, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2009 recruiting class (national top-40 junior college recruit).

26. Kansas City Chiefs: WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
Particulars: 5-star WR in 2008 recruiting class (national top-30 player).

27. Baltimore Ravens: CB Jimmy Smith, Colorado
Particulars: 3-star ATH in 2006 recruiting class.

28. New Orleans Saints: RB Mark Ingram, Alabama
Particulars: 4-star ATH in 2008 recruiting class.

29. Chicago Bears: OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
Particulars: 3-star OT in 2006 recruiting class.

30. New York Jets: DT Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple
Particulars: 3-star G in 2008 recruiting class (prep school recruit).

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State
Particulars: 4-star DT in 2007 recruiting class.

32. Green Bay Packers: OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State
Particulars: 4-star OT in 2007 recruiting class.

13 players 3* stars or less ........... Do you see a trend here? Not a statistics major and I see a pattern. You star humpers are crazy.

You're missing the point. I wonder how many of those 13 players were coached by competent coaches who actually developed them...I wonder how many of those low rated players have a championship ring. I see many of those 3 stars coming from schools like Iowa, Baylor, Boston College, Purdue, Temple, in other words teams who havent won sht.


Getting drafted does not always correlate to college success. Ask Ken Dorsey. Many times it's about measurables and potential...You know the NFL drafts guys that will work in their system...The NFL has coaches that can further develop these guys. We don't have the luxury to continue to take projects unless we can develop them. Take a look at the average star rating of the last few national champions. I'm sure you'll see a different trend. Fact of the matter is there are many more 3 star recruits than there are 5 stars so of course you will see a decent number in the draft. But like drifters said the percentage of them being drafted is higher. You're trying to justify mediocre recruiting that has gotten us nowhere, can't even win the Coastal ! We have some really talented players...But we still dont have enough.

exactly. I couldn't give a **** where our players get drafted. I just want the team to win. If that means we have a squad of undrafted Free agents, so be it. College productivity and draft position have almost no correlation

 

[Stylie]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

 

[Fountain of Canes]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

 

[Stylie]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

For sure man.

 

[cane since birth]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

For sure man.

ehhhh they got derwin james hes a beast other than that they have a lot of guys that have a lot of hype that arent really that good IMO, except cole hes a beast but he probably wont be going there in the end

 

[Stylie]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

For sure man.

ehhhh they got derwin james hes a beast other than that they have a lot of guys that have a lot of hype that arent really that good IMO, except cole hes a beast but he probably wont be going there in the end

Exactly man.

 

[ssj4cane]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

History has shown that they will close strong. Has Golden shown that ability?

 

[Fountain of Canes]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

For sure man.

ehhhh they got derwin james hes a beast other than that they have a lot of guys that have a lot of hype that arent really that good IMO, except cole hes a beast but he probably wont be going there in the end

Exactly man.

The only guy I think is special is this kid: Nyqwan Murray . he came here on a visit a month before he committed but we never offer. he is only a 3 star but he is a real gem. if you have a chance you should watch his highlight tape. www.hudl.com/athlete/1574982/nyqwan-murray

 

[Fountain of Canes]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

History has shown that they will close strong. Has Golden shown that ability?

 

[01Canes]

People posting draft results to try to claim that stars don't matter are missing the point entirely. I've posted these numbers before, but they're needed again.

You know which fans claim stars don't matter? Fans of programs that don't land enough elite players and watch their teams tread water year in and year out. Stars certainly mattered to many a couple months before NSD back in February when we had a Top 5 class and people continually pointed that out. That ranking was based on star quality. Can't have it both ways.

Odds of Becoming an All-American, by Recruiting Ranking
5–Star: 1 in 4.
Top 100: 1 in 6.
4–Star: 1 in 16.
3–Star: 1 in 56.
2–Star: 1 in 127.
All FBS Signees: 1 in 45.

"The exceptions prove the rule: Overwhelmingly, setting aside every other conceivable factor that determines success and failure -- injuries, academics, even coaching -- individual players and teams tend to perform within the very narrow range their initial recruiting rankings suggest. Some percentage of both groups will not. But when it comes to forming expectations, it should go without saying that you never want to count on being one of the anomalies."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21641769

 

[01Canes]

Look at FSU's commitment list right now.... bunch of 3 stars as well and they'll prob lose Cole so.... no reason to get bent out of shape. It's a solid class so far with a lot of potential. Now is the time to start bringing in those household names we want for 2015.

I actually believe we have a better class then them right now. the only one thats holding them up is that 5 star Safety whos been a NOLE commit for 2 years and Cole. for them to win a National Championship you would have thought they would look like Bama's.

History has shown that they will close strong. Has Golden shown that ability?

We struck out on all our late targets on NSD just a few months ago and then exacerbated the problem by adding two low-rated depth o-linemen with the most unimpressive offer lists imaginable.

We did add the eventual best player on the team (Coley) because of Donnell Bennett and a talented, athletic LB (Grace) the previous year. But there were also a bunch of misses on players who were expected by many to be a part of the class (Collins, Bryant, Thomas, Bostwick) and a couple of recruitments that were ineptly mishandled (Kirkland and Moore).

The staff's struggles when it comes to closing have been a high-profile issue in each of the last two years. It's a big reason why they needed to get out to a strong start and try to hold onto as many key pieces as possible down the stretch.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Man this staff does have me SMH many times. As I think about it the better players on this team are the higher ranked guys. Man I ain't giving no coach props for bringing a 3 star kid from OOS when we smack in the middle of the richest talent grounds in all of college football!! Man if can't hold down the neighborhood, recruiting 3 star cats from anywhere else makes me smh. I just hope these kids can ball out.

 

[hesskilla]

THis thread wont die........Too many haters....Welcome Jamie Gordinier!!!!!

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

People posting draft results to try to claim that stars don't matter are missing the point entirely. I've posted these numbers before, but they're needed again.

You know which fans claim stars don't matter? Fans of programs that don't land enough elite players and watch their teams tread water year in and year out. Stars certainly mattered to many a couple months before NSD back in February when we had a Top 5 class and people continually pointed that out. That ranking was based on star quality. Can't have it both ways.

Odds of Becoming an All-American, by Recruiting Ranking
5–Star: 1 in 4.
Top 100: 1 in 6.
4–Star: 1 in 16.
3–Star: 1 in 56.
2–Star: 1 in 127.
All FBS Signees: 1 in 45.

"The exceptions prove the rule: Overwhelmingly, setting aside every other conceivable factor that determines success and failure -- injuries, academics, even coaching -- individual players and teams tend to perform within the very narrow range their initial recruiting rankings suggest. Some percentage of both groups will not. But when it comes to forming expectations, it should go without saying that you never want to count on being one of the anomalies."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21641769

Good post. Drop the mic and walk away kinda **** right here.

 

[hesskilla]

Jamie Gordinier, a 6-4, 235-pound outside linebacker at Red Bank (N.J.) Catholic and the No. 15 recruit in the NJ.com Top 50, committed to the Miami (Fla.) Hurricanes, Monday, over finalists Boston College and Duke.

“I think after just visiting all the schools, I had time to sit down and think about it,” said Gordinier, who will study business in college. “And I thought Miami was definitely the best choice.

“My relationship with the whole coaching staff is great,” he continued. “Coach (Al) Golden did a great job having all the coaches communicate with me on a daily basis, so I got to know the coaches very well. And definitely, the combination of academics and a great football tradition was big, too. So, it’s kind of like a perfect fit.”

Gordiner is excited that his recruitment has come to an end.

“It feels great,” he said. “It’s kind of like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Now I can really just focus on my senior season.”

Gordinier is versatile enough to play multiple positions at the next level, but the Miami coaching staff has him pegged as a Sam linebacker.

“They’ve told me they like my physicality most, and also for my size, I’m a good knee bender and I can get low. And I’m really mobile in my hips,” he said. “Another thing is my versatility and how they can move me to different spots.

“They’ve talked about me playing a bunch of different positions, but primarily the Sam linebacker. But they said, if I had to, I could play the rush end or maybe middle linebacker.”

In 2013, Gordinier accumulated 86 total tackles, eight tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks, eight pass deflections and caught a 12-yard pass for a TD.

His efforts helped the Caseys (10-1, 7-0) to the semi-final round of the Non-public, Group 3 playoffs. Gordinier was awarded Second Team All-Non-public and First Team All-Monmouth County honors via the Star-Ledger, for his contributions.

He also held offers from Rutgers, Northwestern, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Pitt, Cincinnati, Duke, Temple, Old Dominion and others.

 

[FG305]

You **** about stars just remember Luke kuchley was a 2 star out of cincinnati. Look how he turned out.

13 players 3* stars or less ........... Do you see a trend here? Not a statistics major and I see a pattern. You star humpers are crazy.

Yep, I see a trend of the other 4,000 3* or 2* players not getting drafted in the 1st round

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2014/5/12/5696710/nfl-draft-recruits-five-stars-two-stars