We better have a Top 10 defensive backfield this year

[Brains]

You basing who’s a lockdown corner off of HS rankings...here you go

2016 Top Cornerback Recruits

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2016 CB rankings..who in the top10 proved to be shutdown corners?..u have reach all the way To 20th..some didn’t even transition to CB. Now sometimes when the class at a position is stacked there’s talented in the top half of those ranking who hit. Like in2017. But most the time those rankings need to get tossed out the window..as far as our guys, here’s an example, who ever would’ve thought micheal Jackson would have ever become a number 1 corner for us after his first 2 years at Miami..I for one thought MJ was gonna be nice out of HS based on his measurables, and ball skills that showed up on tape..but most asked why do we have togo Bama to reach for a 3 star corner..point is this, blades, Williams and ivey have to tools to thrive in this system on the outside. They just needed a year in the fire. Most of their mistakes imo are things you see with younger CBs

Ivey had a year in the fire. He was burnt to a crisp. Ask GT about it.

 

[305to954]

Ivey had a year in the fire. He was burnt to a crisp. Ask GT about it.

And you can also point out times Phillip Buchanan got roasted early on, Artie burns, Brandon Harris, demarcus Van Dyke..**** Mickeal Jackson couldn’t even get on the feild he was that raw early..DJ, Williams and blades will be fine

 

[Twhizman]

I agree top 10 pass coverage isn't unreasonable considering the game experience our dbs have.question is are they able to take that step forward .I know this isn't part of the subject being discussed but the Dts have the game experience to be somewhere close to a top ten line.

 

[Theedy50]

Still taking blades, didn’t give up a td pass all year allowed 18 receptions on over 40 passing attempts while giving up less than 240 yards. Just for context that Cb stingley who Most hyped up as begin some sensational never seen before freshman cb gave up over 650 yards 6 tds this season.

Stingley is the best CB in college football right now. Kid gave up absolutely nothing when it mattered the most on much bigger stages.I like Blades but they’re not in the same Tier.

 

[305to954]

Stingley is the best CB in college football right now. Kid gave up absolutely nothing when it mattered the most on much bigger stages.I like Blades but they’re not in the same Tier.

You buggin..research more. He’s the most hyped given LSU and what they did ..and I wouldn’t bet against his upside. But for **** sure wasnt the best Corner in CFB

 

[Ethnicsands]

Or the high-profile recruiting losses will really hurt.

247Sports recently released projected depth charts for Alabama, Florida and Georgia. All four of Bama’s projected starting DBs (Surtain, Jobe, Battle and Wright) were from South Florida. Three of Florida’s starters (Wilson, Elam and Davis) were from South Florida. Finally, two of Georgia’s starters (Tyrique and Campbell) were from South Florida, along with their top backup (Wilson).

There is plenty of talent in Miami’s defensive backfield. Eleven total four stars. But given what has left the region, we need Rumph and Banda to coach our guys to an elite level. 37th in yards per pass attempt is not good enough, especially considering our pass rush. Anything less than a Top 10 finish is a failure.

So which is it? We have the talent we need and it isn’t about recruiting? Or we need to evaluate and recruit better?

 

[brock]

Stingley is the best CB in college football right now. Kid gave up absolutely nothing when it mattered the most on much bigger stages.I like Blades but they’re not in the same Tier.

He’s good but he’s not as good as he’s hyped up to be. Shut down is what jalen Ramsey was at FSU and he wasn’t that imo, he gave up over 100 yards vs uf, **** near 200 yards vs bama and was beat by lesser competition too at times. Like i said, giving up 600 plus yards 6 tds is not some mythical season. Don’t believe the hype, actually watch the tape. No one said blades was in the same tier, however just was putting things in perspective of who y’all hype a guy who gave up 6 tds 600 plus yards vs one who gave 0 tds and less than 250 yards on the season.

 

[Theedy50]

You buggin..research more. He’s the most hyped given LSU and what they did ..and I wouldn’t bet against his upside. But for **** sure wasnt the best Corner in CFB

I did plenty research. I’m not some LSU hype man I’m just a fan of facts. Stingley Jr was the highest graded P5 CB this year. Considering the fact LSU played arguably the toughest schedule of any team the past season I’d say the kid did a phenomenal job. The hype surrounding him certainly isn’t unwarranted.

 

[brock]

I did plenty research. I’m not some LSU hype man I’m just a fan of facts. Stingley Jr was the highest graded P5 CB this year. Considering the fact LSU played arguably the toughest schedule of any team the past season I’d say the kid did a phenomenal job. The hype surrounding him certainly isn’t unwarranted.

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Pff sucks, I dont Take much of what they write serious. They don’t even have greg rousseau as a top 25 returning dlineman in the country or as one of the top 10 players returning in the acc. Stingley got some interceptions for sure but he was tested and beat a lot as well for catches and 6 touchdowns.

 

[loeTed92]

When you're guaranteed to start no matter how bad you play, there's no need for urgency.

That's the problem, he can play terribly & he knows he has nothing to worry about because he's a Coaches favorite, therefore the threat of losing playing time is nonexistent.

Facts. They’re busy pushing this culture narrative.

 

[Theedy50]

He’s good but he’s not as good as he’s hyped up to be. Shut down is what jalen Ramsey was at FSU and he wasn’t that imo, he gave up over 100 yards vs uf, **** near 200 yards vs bama and was beat by lesser competition. Like i said, giving up 600 plus yards 6 tds is not some mythical season. Don’t believe the hype, actually watch the tape

Ramsey was not nearly as good as Stingley his freshman year so we can stop with that. Also one of the biggest plays he gave up in the Bama game was a bomb when he was clearly still looking to the sideline communicating with a coach. Who doesn’t Bama give problems? Their whole WR corps is elite. Kid more than held his own all season. 29 catches against 69 targets for a True freshman isn’t nearly as bad as ur making it seem.

 

[SinisterCane]

Fire Banda and Rumph

 

[nycane]

Facts dj can't be out there and bubba proved me wrong while he was in there. Kid played fast

he made guvan better. together they were playing well. keontra smith will need to step up with a freshman.

 

[brock]

Ramsey was not nearly as good as Stingley his freshman year so we can stop with that. Also one of the biggest plays he gave up in the Bama game was a bomb when he was clearly still looking to the sideline communicating with a coach. Who doesn’t Bama give problems? Their whole WR corps is elite. Kid more than held his own all season. 29 catches against 69 targets for a True freshman isn’t nearly as bad as ur making it seem.

Stingley gave up 36 catches for 624 yards 5 tds which is 18.4 yards per reception. That’s not that good.

 

[SinisterCane]

A couple people I’ve talked to on the inside think that Ivey has the highest upside and will ultimately be the best CB.

Obviously, it’s just their opinion, and they realize that Ivey had a very rough start. But I thought it was interesting.

Listening to people from the Hecht???

 

[Theedy50]

Stingley gave up 36 catches for 624 yards 5 tds which is 18.4 yards per reception. That’s not that good.

They also played Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Bama, Oklahoma and Clemson. U can’t show me a CB in the land that wouldn’t have a **** of a time with that type of competition. Yet and still he held his own. Considering who all they played those stats are phenomenal.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

A lot of it is bad evaluation...I'm saying, I don't give a **** what a site's screen tells me, I didn't believe DJ Ivey was a 4* then, and he certainly hasn't played like one.



And just think if you weight it for the brutally bad slate of passing offenses and overall QB we faced, because that particular strength of schedule is no higher than high 60s, and prob closer to the 80s. You can make an arguement we faced about 1.5 real QB last year (with the one making his 2nd start...Any of the others were just not terrible, and some of those were underclassmen.

I haven't given up on Gurvan Hall, he has his moments and didn't miss many tackles after September, he prevented big plays if nothing else...I like Bubba Bolden, and think he can be excellent if he comes back well from injury. I think Al Blades will leave here a late round pick, but I don't think he's a #1 CB on any good Miami Hurricanes team...Carter is average at best, Ivey should be a 5th or 6th corner. Bandy was average at best last year.

Hopefully Couch, Williams, K.Smith step up.

Again, when you realize we played NOTHING in terms of opposing passing offenses, you realize that secondary was pretty mediocre. Especially when you consider that they are playing behind a very good DL (The pass rush wasn't great in some games, no doubt...But still better than most of CFB)

You must have the lowest facts-to-words ratio in CIS history. Impressive. There is a lot of nonsense on this site, but usually folks keep their ramblings to a couple of sentences. There are also lots of long posts on here, but usually those posters will include a few facts in those posts. There is not a single fact in your entire line of thinking.

Well, to be totally fair, there is one fact...but you turn right around and say you don't believe it! Ha. Clearly using facts to make an argument is not your strong suit.

BTW, the average ranking of Miami's opponents in passing efficiency this year was 56 (excluding Bethune). There are 130 teams, so that is above average. Furthermore, Miami played 4 of the top 27 passing efficiency teams in the countries.

This isn't a murder's row of passing offenses (although I suspect 56 would actually compare favorably with many P5 teams), but it's definitely not "NOTHING" lol. I look forward to you refuting these facts with either non-facts, or poorly-reasoned fact-adjacent arguments (e.g. suggesting you have to make exceptions for injuries or timing or some other nonsensical adjustment that you wouldn't systematically make to other teams' rankings).

 

[Calinative]

Anything less than top 10 is a failure? So if we get 11th it's a fail? Idk bout that

 

[simplycanes]

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Jontavious has certainly filled out... Wait, what am I saying???

 

[TheRichtShow]

And finished with a disgusting 7-6 record.

And what does that stat even actually mean in terms of overall defensive efficacy?

Also, honestly, would you rather have our talent in the defensive backfield or Floridas talent or Alabama’s talent or Georgia’s talent?

This is the problem with statistics, Manny must’ve been looking at his 2018 statistics, seen all those high numbers on overall defense and pass defense, and thought he had it all figured out. Just get a decent offensive coordinator and we’re good to go. How did that work out in 2019?

Being a better team takes much more than that, there’s a ton of intangibles, but at the end of the day it starts with having as much talent as you can possibly stockpile. And we’re nowhere near that. Just look at our cornerback situation.

I reject the premise of threads like these. To me they are nonsensical. What we need to do is maximize the talent we have to consistently beat a weak coastal division, and get in the ACCCG consistently. and do better job of evaluating and recruiting. No, we can’t recruit like the bag SEC schools. But we can do a whole lot better job of recruiting and evaluating recruits. Let’s start there, and not worry about meaningless statistics.

we don’t need to be top five or top 10 in anything to roll through the coastal division

We had a horrible OC in 2019 though.

Agree that it's useless to compare our talent to Bama and UGA. They have more talent than us and that isn't going to change unless the whole financial picture changes with recruiting.

Our talent is pretty good though, probably on par with UF at DB. We absolutely have better talent at safety than UF. They probably have us at CB. Blades, Ivey, Williams, Couch, Bolden, Hall, Tae Williams, Keontra Smith. We're a step below the Bama, UGA, LSU, Ohio St level but it's comparable to most teams at that next tier, albeit without as much depth