Wasted oppurtunity

[Pickle Richt]

This is true but my point was that there aren’t many RSFR that have had a lot of success in cfb. With Perry our there next year, we are building this team for a 2019-20 run....hopefully.

LOL, I thought 2018 was our year? When 2019 rolls around we'll have to replace our DL and then we'll be building for 2020. And then we'll need a new QB in 2020 and we'll be playing for 2021. It's college football, you're playing it one year at a time.

 

[AUcane]

This is true but my point was that there aren’t many RSFR that have had a lot of success in cfb. With Perry our there next year, we are building this team for a 2019-20 run....hopefully.

LOL, I thought 2018 was our year? When 2019 rolls around we'll have to replace our DL and then we'll be building for 2020. And then we'll need a new QB in 2020 and we'll be playing for 2021. It's college football, you're playing it one year at a time.

Nah, 2019 was never our year bc we’d be starting a RSFR QB and first year OL. Those 2 things are tough to win with.

 

[Theedy50]

Who isn't sold on Jarren Williams?

Kid looks like a great prospect and I haven't heard a negative review about him. If Perry is really as good as you say playing this year shouldn't affect next year.

Plenty of RS Freshman have balled out without playing their first year.

Weird post dude. You managed to **** on all of our QB options next year except Weldon. Maybe worry about WR instead. Outside of Pope we don't have any instant impact recruits coming in. Need another WR who can play as a freshman

One is im not ****ting on any of our qb options. I just wouldve liked to get nkosi some game action. Simple. Far as who isnt sold on williams im not gonna get into that. I know alot of people in his area. As we all know im good with cade fortin & his family. I know alot of people out that way. Cade told dumbo **** off. Hes not going to a & m. The pecking order for the top 3 is interchangable sortve. Its trevor lawrence at one than either emory jones or cade at 2 or 3. Jarren does play 7a but hes playing outside of district alot. He really only played 2 tough teams this year one being Norcross & if i remember right the other was don brosco. Against norcross he played horrible & they got blown out 31-7 bosco they won by 3 in ot i believe. With him what people question most is his heart or his will to win. Just like matt corral. Want another example. How many times did the tv show rosier tonight? Dude flat out looked like he checked out first quarter. I want a leader at qb first & foremost. The comment about wr im not even gonna get into. Were all intitled to opinions. Personally ill take my nephew over pope all day & i love him too. Im not at all worried about wr next year. Im worried about qb play & consistency out of the oline. Thats it on the whole team. Maybe a punter who can kick the ball too.

Yea man we definitely need a leader at QB and someone who can make the throws. Baker Mayfield from OU gets a bad rep for being a badass but kid makes plays. Someone fiery and competitive like that would have gone a long ways last night and that play where the safety left Jeff Thomas uncovered would have been a for sure 6.

 

[hoover437]

Let's just hope he does what Winston did after red shirting at fsu!

 

[caneaddict]

if it wasnt for the 1st game, next year sets up well for Nkosi as well, gonna have a tough 1st one tho

 

[bobbydigius]

Who isn't sold on Jarren Williams?

Kid looks like a great prospect and I haven't heard a negative review about him. If Perry is really as good as you say playing this year shouldn't affect next year.

Plenty of RS Freshman have balled out without playing their first year.

Weird post dude. You managed to **** on all of our QB options next year except Weldon. Maybe worry about WR instead. Outside of Pope we don't have any instant impact recruits coming in. Need another WR who can play as a freshman

One is im not ****ting on any of our qb options. I just wouldve liked to get nkosi some game action. Simple. Far as who isnt sold on williams im not gonna get into that. I know alot of people in his area. As we all know im good with cade fortin & his family. I know alot of people out that way. Cade told dumbo **** off. Hes not going to a & m. The pecking order for the top 3 is interchangable sortve. Its trevor lawrence at one than either emory jones or cade at 2 or 3. Jarren does play 7a but hes playing outside of district alot. He really only played 2 tough teams this year one being Norcross & if i remember right the other was don brosco. Against norcross he played horrible & they got blown out 31-7 bosco they won by 3 in ot i believe. With him what people question most is his heart or his will to win. Just like matt corral. Want another example. How many times did the tv show rosier tonight? Dude flat out looked like he checked out first quarter. I want a leader at qb first & foremost. The comment about wr im not even gonna get into. Were all intitled to opinions. Personally ill take my nephew over pope all day & i love him too. Im not at all worried about wr next year. Im worried about qb play & consistency out of the oline. Thats it on the whole team. Maybe a punter who can kick the ball too.

So why didn't we go after Cade? Staff doesn't agree with your assessment?

 

[Brooklyndee]

Disagree. Rosier flat out won the QB competition. He proved Richt wrong and earned it. Hindsight is 20/20. We didn't know Rosier would be this bad on the road.

No he didnt flat out win it. He was gifted it because richts plan backfired on him. I know how people will respond to this on here but the plan was to start allison. He just wanted to thicken his skin up. It backfired because once he started hearing the criticism he transferred instead of taking it for what it was & tightening up. No different from what kaaya did when he left. Only reason malik was the qb was cause of that & neither nkosi or weldon could grasp the play book in time or in casey case the speed of the game... were all entitled to think what we want though. Dont blame anyone for that.

You said you want at leader at Qb, with heart. So did Richt's plan really backfire, or just weeded out a guy who has no heart and isn't a leader?

Obviously he wasnt what I wouldve wanted either. Hes too light in the ***. But if our options were what they were this year all you can do is make the best out of the situation. Thats the case either way.

 

[Pickle Richt]

This is true but my point was that there aren’t many RSFR that have had a lot of success in cfb. With Perry our there next year, we are building this team for a 2019-20 run....hopefully.

LOL, I thought 2018 was our year? When 2019 rolls around we'll have to replace our DL and then we'll be building for 2020. And then we'll need a new QB in 2020 and we'll be playing for 2021. It's college football, you're playing it one year at a time.

Nah, 2019 was never our year bc we’d be starting a RSFR QB and first year OL. Those 2 things are tough to win with.

I'm glad you subliminal typo is ready for next year.

 

[AUcane]

Lol yep. My bad. Meant 2018

 

[Brooklyndee]

U ed about sitz now you’re ing about Williams... I understand sitz but give Jarren a chance not like 4 star QBs are hanging off trees this late into the cycle

To be clear here,yes i have my preferences. But no im not at all ing about williams. Atleast i dont mean to be. Him and ***** are night & day. Im just passing on some stuff ive heard about him & saying we have a door open for several qb who are considered better options if we want them. All that said i think we get williams & hes gonna do the same as nkosi did this year. **** hold the board & stand right next to richt all game to hear his thoughts & learn. All that said myself i believe if we want cade is sitting right there & he runs this offense flawlessly. Drawback is hes just getting off of a broken leg. Ask any body who knows ga football who they take & 9 out of 10 cade gets that nod. Kid just loves the game & hes a born leader. Thats the one thing i give jamies the rapist. Kid is a born leader who loves the game. Personally thats the first thing i want out of my qb if possible.

 

[Cajuncane]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Dee the thing I thought about Perry was IF he’s the goods everyone including the staff thinks he is then he’s gonna be 3 and out anyways so what was the sense in saving that one year with a shirt.
Now there was a rumor he was having trouble with the playbook.Obviously you are a lot closer to the situation than I am to know how true this was.
This schedule set up perfectly for us this year.The one thing that hurt was not having the bye week to heal but that was what it was.But having the schedule we had and only squeaking by every week set us up to play Perry but once it got past half season I think we all knew it was sink or swim with Rosier that they wouldn’t burn his shirt.
I think everyone including me got caught up in the undefeated number and that Rosier was pulling out these wins every week.I don’t think we took into account that he was the main reason we were in the position to start with.Ill admit I was one of the guys that figured there was no way Richt was going to pull the job from a kid next year who had just led us to a 10-11-12 game win season.
Well it should be obvious to EVERYONE including a Richt that Rosier is not the guy next year.Hopefully Perry or Weldon is ready and if this is an open competition that maybe Williams wins despite what you just alluded to about people having doubts about him.
But the long and short of this is Rosier,thank you for what you did this year,but he CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be the QB next year if we plan on progressing any further as a program.

Its not a rumor. Nkosi didnt grasp the play book until basically the va tech game. I understand why he did it rational wise. My problem is richt has been subtly telling yall all along rosier is holding is back. When hes been talking about consistency & execution hes been talking speciffically about rosier. People just enjoy there moment of bliss(im not even gonna finish the saying),so simce he knows that & he knows hes basically playing 8 plays over & over with different alignments than how does it harm us that nkosi doesnt know the playbook? As great as this season was we seriously over achieved. We did so **** near soley on the backs of our defense. Thats the people who deserve this credit.im glad to have had the season we did but was it worth it to have that season if we didnt really make progress towards next season at a key position.

Agree with you Dee.My Question is still about not burning the RS.we had a schedule where he could have played ,especially if we are only running 8 plays,maybe even shown enough to put MR on the bench and by the VT and ND been veteran enough or know the PB enough to start outright.
Your correct Richt has been alluding to Rosier being the problem all year.Knowing Sheriffs isn’t the answer why not get Perry ready so when you get to the end of our season knowing you’ve got a QB that at least gives you a chance knowing your starter doesn’t.I don’t think he wanted to face the uproar of changing out an undefeated QB but if he had been showing perry through the season he would be showing the people that would be the uproar that Perry was the way to go minimizing the ing.I just think this goes to Riches ego and him thinking he could fix Malik by then.Obviously he couldn’t.
Getting back to my confusion on not burning the RS.Why are you saving a year of PT for a kid that by all accounts from everyone that’s seen him play that he’s a 3 and out guy? Even if it turns out he isn’t 3 and out by that time you have Weldon,Williams and Lord knows what other stud to turn to.
To me this was a Richt Fck up.Your right if not for our defense we lose 4-5 games maybe more.But on the other side with a halfway serviceable QB we beat Pitt at a minimum ,compete and keep the game close last night and probably still get into the playoff with one loss.
I know all we have left is the Bama game but I swear I’d almost be willing to burn it now to be competitive as opposed to going on national TV and not being able to move the ball again and getting smoked.
But the downside of that is putting a new QB in against Bama and end up ruining his confidence going forward.hard choice but something that should have been made 10 games ago...jmo

 

[Brooklyndee]

I think red shirting N'kosi was the right move. Look at FSU and Blackman, dude has regressed so much since he got his first start. Malik is not the QB of the future but we accomplished a lot of our goals this year. Now N'kosi gets the chance to take the job with a full year under his belt.

I agree with this, along with Dee to a certain point. He's been critical of Rosier's inaccuracy issues, which some didn't want to hear. I don't know if we honestly would've been in this position with Perry. He couldn't beat Rosier outright for the job. It's a risk you run putting out a true freshman - Perry could've either gained his footing by game 4 or 5, or he could become Blackman over at FSU who looks ruined out the gate already.

I personally don't think that Williams is going to be the starter next year, but he looks like a really good player, and it's great that he's an EE (if he commits).

To be fair, while we're all annointing Dee as the omniscient seer of all things football, he said we'd win 8 games tops with Rosier or Shirreffs. He never said anything about winning 10 in a row or winning the Coastal for the first time in 14 years.

Rosier isn't very good, and he completely **** himself the last 2 games. But I wanted to win games this year. I'm not concerned with hypotheticals and seeing if we had a QB of the future while we lost 4 or 5 games in the process.

If Perry or Weldon are better than Rosier, then one will take the job in the offseason and do better next year. Clearly, neither was ready to lead this team to anything this year.

Lol. Feel free to pull up (like you like to do so often)where i said our cieling is 8 wins with rosier. What i said is hes the black kirby freeman. Get it right & quit lying all the time for the sake of your narrative. Ive had nothing to say period all season cause you & your circle are too busy circle jerking malik to hear the same exact thing. Its not about the result. Its about progress and putting the team in the best position moving forward no matter who that is. Its not about playing nice guy for one person while you **** on everyone else. Its about team cause its a team sport. So you feel free to keep blaming the defense cause they couldnt do their jobs and ill just keep my opinion. Enjoy the insults cause we know thats where people like you like to head. This is the internet. No harm involved.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Much more tempered post than I expected from Brooklyndee. He was right about Rosier though. There no defending how bad he is anymore.

 

[Cajuncane]

I think red shirting N'kosi was the right move. Look at FSU and Blackman, dude has regressed so much since he got his first start. Malik is not the QB of the future but we accomplished a lot of our goals this year. Now N'kosi gets the chance to take the job with a full year under his belt.

I agree with this, along with Dee to a certain point. He's been critical of Rosier's inaccuracy issues, which some didn't want to hear. I don't know if we honestly would've been in this position with Perry. He couldn't beat Rosier outright for the job. It's a risk you run putting out a true freshman - Perry could've either gained his footing by game 4 or 5, or he could become Blackman over at FSU who looks ruined out the gate already.

I personally don't think that Williams is going to be the starter next year, but he looks like a really good player, and it's great that he's an EE (if he commits).

The difference between Blackmon and Perry is Blackmon was thrown into a starting role for a team that was expected to make a title run.At least that’s what the pundits thought who had them ranked #3 at seasons start.Perry could have been brought along slowly putting him into spots where he could succeed and get his confidence up leading up to possibly starting game 6-7 if he’d progressed enough.If he didn’t ,no loss you got a game ready QB for next year.

Two waaaay different scenarios.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I understand this Dee, but from my viewpoint the upside of starting Rosier and not rolling Kosi out is...

We didn't show our hand too much to the recruits. If we rolled with Kosi and he absolutely sucked (much like Blackmon up north did) couldn't it be possible that kids could have been turned away? So now they can at least look at the team and think we overachieved with a ****ty QB...and we have some badasses in the holster for next season.

Also we didn't risk causing a regression in Perry if he started too early, not knowing the playbook as you said, and having the entire fanbase turn on him. This can damage a kid's psyche before he even gets going...

These are my thoughts. What do you think about em? I enjoyed the journey this season, just not the end result thus far. I was never fully sold on Rosier, but the team around him (specifically the D) was badass enough to get us into the CFP conversation. Which is more than I imagined before the season started. It also has brought us a very nice recruiting class.

I agree on everything you said. All valid points. I loved the season as a whole. I loved seeing the progressions we made & the developement of some players we had all gave up on. Myself specifically. Redwine more than anyone. At points this season i wouldve taken a bat to his legs. But these last several games hes came out with a whole different attitude towards the game. Hes came out with that hitstick and been laying wood to the best of his abilities. All we can ask for. I suppose that should be my outlook towards rosier as well. He played to the best of his abilities and i honestly believe he did do that. We just needed more out of the position. I know to plenty im just some ***** whois far too harsh on this kid. Maybe thats valid...

 

[kryptonite]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I still think Rosier was the right way to go for this year, but I hear what you're saying.

 

[CaneOil]

I think richt has done an amazing job this season all things considered. Im not gonna talk about yalls golden boy. Im also gonna warn yall about putting so much on williams shoulders. Alot of people arent too sold on him.kid does have alot of potential so lets just hope for the best. Hes gonna have to fight with nkosi & possibly weldon depending on how his off season goes. Staff loves nkosi & his potential. My one criticism towards staff this year is we really wasted an oppurtunity with nkosi. This schedule was tailor made for him to grow and get his experience in while playing a very mediocre competition level & still keeping us relevant due to our defense. Even if you cant really let him feel himself you gotta give him the basics and do him... Now its simply moving on to next season and a more difficult schedule with a qb who has no game experience regardless who wins. Feel free to start with your rosier is god comments. Ill simply respond to that once. Youre all morons who need to move on to fiu. Cause clearly runner up is great for yall.

Unnecessarily aggressive there at the end, but ok.

Fair argument about how the QB spot was handled, but you have to make some big assumptions to think Perry would have done better. As for "golden boy", nobody deserves that until the season is over and we see what they've done (Rosier looked amazing at 10-0, but at 10-3 he wouldn't look so hot. Not that he ever looked like an amazing QB, just that he looked like a winner). I don't buy the idea that this or that guy would have been better or will be better. The truth is that you don't know until they play. You would have said that Rosier could beat Pitt based on what he did in the second half against fsu. Say what you want, but fsu has a much better D than Pitt. Same goes for Perry. He looks the goods, but until he does it on the field we don't know for sure.

Bottom line, I'm happy enough with this season to not question the QB call.

Thats where your misunderstanding me brother. Im not at all saying he wouldve done better or couldve even had the same season or anything relating to that. My sole point is we know rosiers cieling. We knew it coming into the year. Im not gonna argue about how he looked at 10-0 or any other time. To me all i wanted was to see if we have our qb for our future or not because we know rosier isnt that. In my eyes we wouldve had basically the same season as a bottom line no matter who was at the position because of the quality of teams we played. Feel free to look back. I said before we had any clue who the qb would be that i thought we go 10-2 at worst. Id agree on no need for aggression either but on here that seems the norm. If people dont agree they simply attack u.

I'm certainly not going to attack you but I disagree with what you're saying. Would have lost 3+ games without the last two. We had no chance against Clemson regardless. We had key injuries, we don't have depth or even 85 scholarship players. We just didn't have the horses to beat them in this game, not even close.

Hopefully we can hold on to this class, Rosier had a big part of that whether you want to agree with that or not, he did the best he could and I thank him for giving us hope again. Unless you have an absolute great freshman QB they lose games, it is what it is. I've been betting against them for 30 years. Nobody likes ending a season like this but we just don't have the horses yet it's easy to see, this game was over in the first quarter even the D couldn't hold up.

 

[Gatorhater]

I refuse to let loose of the good feelings from this season yet. Been too long since we had any. Is everything great, nope but my Lord I was doubting that we would EVER be good again. Now we are already on the edge. More top players needed, yes. I've am tired ing and complaining so I taking vaccination from it. For now, I am looking forward to the Orange Bowl Game.

 

[Brooklyndee]

LOL at these guys who were waiting in the wings silent looking for that chance all year to stroke their own egos. Couldn't say anything at 10-0.

You're right though. We definitely would have gone undefeated with N'Kosi. And he would have killed Clemson. Going 10-2 and winning the Coastal (which we haven't done in 14 years) in year two was a total failure.

On top of that, if we have to start a RS Fr QB next year, we're finished because a RS Fr QB has never won a division or a NC ever.

Wasn't Jameis a RS Freshmans when he won both and the Heisman?


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Yup.sure was. Witty sarcasm is how he gets his point across. Thats exactly his point which he feels makes mine irrelevant.

 

[CaneOil]

LOL at these guys who were waiting in the wings silent looking for that chance all year to stroke their own egos. Couldn't say anything at 10-0.

You're right though. We definitely would have gone undefeated with N'Kosi. And he would have killed Clemson. Going 10-2 and winning the Coastal (which we haven't done in 14 years) in year two was a total failure.

On top of that, if we have to start a RS Fr QB next year, we're finished because a RS Fr QB has never won a division or a NC ever.

Wasn't Jameis a RS Freshmans when he won both and the Heisman?


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JMO but there is a huge difference between starting a freshman kid right out of HS and a RS freshman.