Walter Football Has Kaaya As #1 Player In '17 Draft

[INCaneFan]

I shouldn't be surprised that someone is questioning that Watson is the better QB (as I said before the season he'd be up for the Heisman if healthy), but come on....really????

 

[252cane]

The kid from Clemson is the best QB in nation, and will be number 1 pick.

Can he read a defense? Does he understand pro concepts? Can he play from under center? He has played in that type of offense since high school and those will be questions nfl people have about him.

I am no way saying Watson is as good as the other post states but some of your comments seem questionable. For one, why would he not be able to read defenses and what makes Kaaya better at it? Can Kaaya player from under center as it seems like most of his success came out of the pistol. So what if he has played in a similar offense since HS as it means nothing other than he can run that offense. 41 touchdowns compared to 14 and you want to act like he can't play in the league in 2 years but Kaaya is going 1st round? Who knows where they will end up in 2 years but at this point Watson almost won the Heisman so give the kid a break.

In most spread uptempo offenses the qb is not asked to read defenses and go through progressions. They usually get a couple of quick options to get the ball out quickly. Clemson runs a ton of quick short passes and screens.

And kaaya threw 26tds playing primarily under center as a freshman. Also didn't say watson couldn't play in the league as i believe he will be a top 10 pick. Those questions are what every spread qb has to answer every year. How many tds you score in college doesn't mean anything in the nfl, ask tebow.

The hate you have for kaaya is real.

 

[Zbrod95]

The bottom line is Miami is a college team and Kaaya only had 14 touchdowns. Miami was second in the country in FGs in the RZ. Kaaya protected the ball very well and showed toughness by taking hits after he threw. I know the board loves talking about how players underachieve at Miami and perform in the NFL. Unless they are playing for the Falcons I want a QB at Miami that scores. If Kaaya can score 35 touchdowns next season and protect the ball like he did this year then crown him.

it's off potential, his position, and scouts were astounded that he learned a playbook in 2 months but either or he's the best qb in that draft

 

[HighSeas]

Not sure why this is being treated as big revelatory news by most of the board. Kaaya has been regarded as the top underclassman QB (besides Rosen who is 2018 eligible) for several months if not over a year.

My observation: this board is reactionary and looks at stats & game results as compared to unbiased evaluators who view prospects in a context-driven process that isolates tools and skills from the performance of the team or overall results.

In specific terms, Kaaya's mental processing on the field pre and post snap is rare even in NFL QBs, and it's a trait that is innate and cannot be taught. On top of that he has NFL size & frame with the ability to complete all the throws. His biggest weakness is his mobility and pocket movement/management but that can be developed as he doesn't lack poise. All of this adds up to a very high-end NFL prospect.

I don't mind the posters complaining about his college production as that's separate from his NFL projection, but it's important to keep the ecosystem - especially coaching - in mind. James Coley is one of the worst OCs I've ever seen for many reasons, all of which impact on Kaaya...

 

[Zbrod95]

Not sure why this is being treated as big revelatory news by most of the board. Kaaya has been regarded as the top underclassman QB (besides Rosen who is 2018 eligible) for several months if not over a year.

My observation: this board is reactionary and looks at stats & game results as compared to unbiased evaluators who view prospects in a context-driven process that isolates tools and skills from the performance of the team or overall results.

In specific terms, Kaaya's mental processing on the field pre and post snap is rare even in NFL QBs, and it's a trait that is innate and cannot be taught. On top of that he has NFL size & frame with the ability to complete all the throws. His biggest weakness is his mobility and pocket movement/management but that can be developed as he doesn't lack poise. All of this adds up to a very high-end NFL prospect.

I don't mind the posters complaining about his college production as that's separate from his NFL projection, but it's important to keep the ecosystem - especially coaching - in mind. James Coley is one of the worst OCs I've ever seen for many reasons, all of which impact on Kaaya...

if he throws 24-26 tds and throws same amount of picks he'll be one of the highest rated qb in years

 

[Andrew]

The kid from Clemson is the best QB in nation, and will be number 1 pick.

Can he read a defense? Does he understand pro concepts? Can he play from under center? He has played in that type of offense since high school and those will be questions nfl people have about him.

I am no way saying Watson is as good as the other post states but some of your comments seem questionable. For one, why would he not be able to read defenses and what makes Kaaya better at it? Can Kaaya player from under center as it seems like most of his success came out of the pistol. So what if he has played in a similar offense since HS as it means nothing other than he can run that offense. 41 touchdowns compared to 14 and you want to act like he can't play in the league in 2 years but Kaaya is going 1st round? Who knows where they will end up in 2 years but at this point Watson almost won the Heisman so give the kid a break.

In most spread uptempo offenses the qb is not asked to read defenses and go through progressions. They usually get a couple of quick options to get the ball out quickly. Clemson runs a ton of quick short passes and screens.

And kaaya threw 26tds playing primarily under center as a freshman. Also didn't say watson couldn't play in the league as i believe he will be a top 10 pick. Those questions are what every spread qb has to answer every year. How many tds you score in college doesn't mean anything in the nfl, ask tebow.

The hate you have for kaaya is real.

In some cases you are right on the spread offense. That being said Watson is given more control over his offense than Kaaya is. (That is a knock more on Coley as it isn't Kaaya's fault) Watson doesn't play in a gimmick college offense (Hawaii under June Jones) so I don't think it is fair to classify him as such. Watson won the Davey O'Brian award so yeah he is a good QB. Watson was second in the ACC in YPA so if we are going to knock Watson for short passes we have to do the same for Kaaya. (I blame Coley)

Last like I have said a million times, I don't hate Kaaya nor do I think he is a bad QB. He has tools to be an excellent college and NFL QB. Half way through his college career he has shown the work ethic and brains to learn the offense, the mental toughness to stay in the pocked and complete a pass without getting raddled. His protection of the football is outstanding and his throwing motion is as good as it gets. I can't think of a single reason why Brad can't toss 35 touchdowns next season, its just a matter of doing it. Kaaya isn't perfect and needs to work on throwing on the run (because it happens), and passing in short yard situations. I also think he should put on a little weight and add some velocity to that throw. I think he Kaaya can make that leap but I don't put crowns on players that don't earn them and so far he hasn't in my opinion.

 

[motorcitycane]

Mm7 nip Pl l underachieve at Miami and perform in the NFL. UnI'mILninless they are playing for the Falcons I want a QB at Miami that scores. If Kaaya can score 35 touchdowns next season and protect the ball like he did this year then crown him.[/QUOTE]

 

[252cane]

The kid from Clemson is the best QB in nation, and will be number 1 pick.

Can he read a defense? Does he understand pro concepts? Can he play from under center? He has played in that type of offense since high school and those will be questions nfl people have about him.

I am no way saying Watson is as good as the other post states but some of your comments seem questionable. For one, why would he not be able to read defenses and what makes Kaaya better at it? Can Kaaya player from under center as it seems like most of his success came out of the pistol. So what if he has played in a similar offense since HS as it means nothing other than he can run that offense. 41 touchdowns compared to 14 and you want to act like he can't play in the league in 2 years but Kaaya is going 1st round? Who knows where they will end up in 2 years but at this point Watson almost won the Heisman so give the kid a break.

In most spread uptempo offenses the qb is not asked to read defenses and go through progressions. They usually get a couple of quick options to get the ball out quickly. Clemson runs a ton of quick short passes and screens.

And kaaya threw 26tds playing primarily under center as a freshman. Also didn't say watson couldn't play in the league as i believe he will be a top 10 pick. Those questions are what every spread qb has to answer every year. How many tds you score in college doesn't mean anything in the nfl, ask tebow.

The hate you have for kaaya is real.

In some cases you are right on the spread offense. That being said Watson is given more control over his offense than Kaaya is. (That is a knock more on Coley as it isn't Kaaya's fault) Watson doesn't play in a gimmick college offense (Hawaii under June Jones) so I don't think it is fair to classify him as such. Watson won the Davey O'Brian award so yeah he is a good QB. Watson was second in the ACC in YPA so if we are going to knock Watson for short passes we have to do the same for Kaaya. (I blame Coley)

Last like I have said a million times, I don't hate Kaaya nor do I think he is a bad QB. He has tools to be an excellent college and NFL QB. Half way through his college career he has shown the work ethic and brains to learn the offense, the mental toughness to stay in the pocked and complete a pass without getting raddled. His protection of the football is outstanding and his throwing motion is as good as it gets. I can't think of a single reason why Brad can't toss 35 touchdowns next season, its just a matter of doing it. Kaaya isn't perfect and needs to work on throwing on the run (because it happens), and passing in short yard situations. I also think he should put on a little weight and add some velocity to that throw. I think he Kaaya can make that leap but I don't put crowns on players that don't earn them and so far he hasn't in my opinion.

That's fair. I'm going off what i think he can be. Watch this guy when he was allowed to attack the defenses downfield like the nebraska game and the 2nd half vs fsu.

He was carving those defenses up and making excellent throws. That's why i believe with a guy like richt he will allow kaaya to attack defenses.

 

[kryptonite]

Yeah, yeah. Todd McShay had Stephen Morris as his #1 QB going into his senior year. Things change, we shouldn't be looking that far ahead. Kaaya wouldn't be making a good decision to leave after 3 years, but I'm sure there will be plenty of other factors that go into his decision like how the O-line plays next year. He took a beating this year.

I shudder to think about it, but our last two QBs were slated to make big leaps and be great, only to disappoint. I don't think that's what we'll see with Kaaya, but time will tell. As for it being a good decision to leave after three years, I don't see how you can make that judgment. If he throws 25 TDs and 5 INTs I think he'd be foolish to come back. He doesn't need to be the best next year, just real good and he'll be a first rounder. As mentioned, he's got the tools so I would assume one season of good to great production and the league will be falling over themselves. I believe that the NFL cares a lot less about how much a kid has won than they used to. Now it's mostly measurable with a few intangibles thrown in.

 

[kendallcanes]

Two months? Watch the Louisville game again. We had to sit through 2 years of his development. At a good program, he wouldn't have seen the field his freshman year.

I feel that he is just starting to get things down. Next year will determine everything now that he actually has a coach and a former quarterback as a coach.

 

[blackvern]

They said the same thing about CHristian Hackenburg as the #1 QB after his freshman year...now he has dropped to #4 same thing will happen to Kaayaa but he will fall further....Kaayaa been throwin to NFL talent mane and still aint show me much....

 

[Dingaan1828]

Mm7 nip Pl l underachieve at Miami and perform in the NFL. UnI'mILninless they are playing for the Falcons I want a QB at Miami that scores. If Kaaya can score 35 touchdowns next season and protect the ball like he did this year then crown him.

[/QUOTE]

My decoder ring fails once again.

 

[tpres]

The kid from Clemson is the best QB in nation, and will be number 1 pick.

how old are you?

52

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Yeah, yeah. Todd McShay had Stephen Morris as his #1 QB going into his senior year. Things change, we shouldn't be looking that far ahead. Kaaya wouldn't be making a good decision to leave after 3 years, but I'm sure there will be plenty of other factors that go into his decision like how the O-line plays next year. He took a beating this year.

I shudder to think about it, but our last two QBs were slated to make big leaps and be great, only to disappoint. I don't think that's what we'll see with Kaaya, but time will tell. As for it being a good decision to leave after three years, I don't see how you can make that judgment. If he throws 25 TDs and 5 INTs I think he'd be foolish to come back. He doesn't need to be the best next year, just real good and he'll be a first rounder. As mentioned, he's got the tools so I would assume one season of good to great production and the league will be falling over themselves. I believe that the NFL cares a lot less about how much a kid has won than they used to. Now it's mostly measurable with a few intangibles thrown in.

I can't think of any good NFL qb's that left college after only being on campus for 3 years. Kaaya's intangibles are lacking currently. I'd have to check, but I don't think he's ever led a late game-winning drive and he still doesn't always find the open man. He certainly has the measurables though, he just needs more coaching at the collegiate level.

 

[brock]

They said the same thing about CHristian Hackenburg as the #1 QB after his freshman year...now he has dropped to #4 same thing will happen to Kaayaa but he will fall further....Kaayaa been throwin to NFL talent mane and still aint show me much....

And offensive line has been trash for the most part and a below average defense

 

[D_G87]

True. I was just saying who stood out in college. Hurns had a monster SR year.

Kaaya has been very good with bad coaching for two years. Let's see what he does with solid coaching around him and then we can make an argument. You can count on 1 hand how many players have stood out since Golden's era. Denzel, Duke, Hurns. Denzel really might be the only defensive player who had stood out on consistent basis since Golden came. I don't know if that's more coaching or the players we've had, but I think coaching has a lot to do with that.

Hurns went as an UFA. We had an unnamed top 10 pick (EF) and another first rounder (PD) go under golden. Just a thought

 

[gfer1988]

The kid from Clemson is the best QB in nation, and will be number 1 pick.

Can he read a defense? Does he understand pro concepts? Can he play from under center? He has played in that type of offense since high school and those will be questions nfl people have about him.

I am no way saying Watson is as good as the other post states but some of your comments seem questionable. For one, why would he not be able to read defenses and what makes Kaaya better at it? Can Kaaya player from under center as it seems like most of his success came out of the pistol. So what if he has played in a similar offense since HS as it means nothing other than he can run that offense. 41 touchdowns compared to 14 and you want to act like he can't play in the league in 2 years but Kaaya is going 1st round? Who knows where they will end up in 2 years but at this point Watson almost won the Heisman so give the kid a break.

In most spread uptempo offenses the qb is not asked to read defenses and go through progressions. They usually get a couple of quick options to get the ball out quickly. Clemson runs a ton of quick short passes and screens.

And kaaya threw 26tds playing primarily under center as a freshman. Also didn't say watson couldn't play in the league as i believe he will be a top 10 pick. Those questions are what every spread qb has to answer every year. How many tds you score in college doesn't mean anything in the nfl, ask tebow.

The hate you have for kaaya is real.

In some cases you are right on the spread offense. That being said Watson is given more control over his offense than Kaaya is. (That is a knock more on Coley as it isn't Kaaya's fault) Watson doesn't play in a gimmick college offense (Hawaii under June Jones) so I don't think it is fair to classify him as such. Watson won the Davey O'Brian award so yeah he is a good QB. Watson was second in the ACC in YPA so if we are going to knock Watson for short passes we have to do the same for Kaaya. (I blame Coley)

Last like I have said a million times, I don't hate Kaaya nor do I think he is a bad QB. He has tools to be an excellent college and NFL QB. Half way through his college career he has shown the work ethic and brains to learn the offense, the mental toughness to stay in the pocked and complete a pass without getting raddled. His protection of the football is outstanding and his throwing motion is as good as it gets. I can't think of a single reason why Brad can't toss 35 touchdowns next season, its just a matter of doing it. Kaaya isn't perfect and needs to work on throwing on the run (because it happens), and passing in short yard situations. I also think he should put on a little weight and add some velocity to that throw. I think he Kaaya can make that leap but I don't put crowns on players that don't earn them and so far he hasn't in my opinion.

watson is more of a system qb. he has a skill set that's great for college but not really the pros. it's pretty much a one read offense. how many tebows, RGIIIs, troy smiths, and tajh boyd's do we have to see fail in the nfl to understand the difference between a good pro prospect and college star. cam newton and mariota are exceptions at least early on and watson isn't that level of athlete. actually looks slower from his freshman year following the injury. not saying he can't develop into a great pro. but history says not likely. and that heisman invite means nothing for the pros. how many hesimans of any position have we seen fail on the next level. **** jason white wasn't even drafted and could of possibly won two heismans.

 

[gfer1988]

They said the same thing about CHristian Hackenburg as the #1 QB after his freshman year...now he has dropped to #4 same thing will happen to Kaayaa but he will fall further....Kaayaa been throwin to NFL talent mane and still aint show me much....

couldn't disagree with you more. hackenburg has been a turnover machine for most of his career. hackenburg also made a stupide decision to stick with his PSU pledge. went to a team with a lot of negativity swirling around the program, barely any talent around him, and coaching changes. would of been a different story if he decided to go somewhere else.

 

[kendallcanes]

I put him in that Sam Bradford category. He can make all the throws. He can look very good at times. But is he the guy that is gonna continuously lead a team to victory?

 

[brock]

Why every time we have a player worth a **** at Miami y'all proceed to bash them 24/7? Y'all should be supporting kaaya man, he did great considering an offensive line that underperformed for majority of the season and lack of a running game. It was surprising he did this well considering all of that. He also improved this year in accuracy and not turning the ball over. Since the Fsu game Miami has been above average in 3rd down conversion rates and in the last 5 weeks have been ranked 39th in the nation in that category