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So this one play is not an indictment on Dawson's offensive philosophy, but it does beg the question...at what point is the defense in conflict?

Presnap, it looks like UVA may rush 5 if both lbs come. Even if they do, you have 5 to block 5, so the rb is not needed to help protect.

Postsnap, they only rush 3 and we're using 6 to block 3 and the lbs really don't have anyone to guard and are not placed in conflict at all.

In the secondary, you have 6 to cover 4 allowing the cbs to jump any route because they know they have safety help and the sidelines. I saw someone bring up the lack of separation by our Wrs and that's mainly due to the secondary not being threatened in the least bit.

The only person that's being placed into conflict is TVD, solely based on play design. Where can he throw? TVD certainly has his warts, but this int ain't on him.
 
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LuCane said:
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Looks like the moment the decision was made

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Ball is in the air (Restrepo's presumed post is still outside the hash)

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Colbie cuts outside when he had the inside leverage for a slant and thus putting two receivers and 3 defenders in the same area……

Angry Will Ferrell GIF
 
Ironmanfootball said:
When they check Smith in at RB he hits the flat on a swing but it's covered bc it's so obvious.
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All 4 of his reps at RB? Unless Parrish, Allen, Chaney and Fletcher have stumps for hands, they can do it too. I'll take 5-15 yard gains all day. My 50 year old fat *** could even gain a few yards with the amount of open space there. And by a few, I mean like 1, maybe 2.
 
Bender said:
I'm confused as to why we're not doing it more. I can only assume Dawson is trying to prevent TVD from getting killed, because: If a S comes down hill from outside of the tackle, he'll come down in full pursuit towards the QB.
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what kind of play was it at UNC when he got drilled making that throw to JG? That was a linebacker that hit him
 
LuCane said:
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Looks like the moment the decision was made

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Lu - on the bottom pic where you point out Restrepo running a deep slant - why are our receivers not cutting their routes in front of the defender?

This happened with George last week vs Clemson on the Emory INT where George allowed the defender to under cut his route and he made the interception.

Are they being taught to run routes this way?
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
All 4 of his reps at RB? Unless Parrish, Allen, Chaney and Fletcher have stumps for hands, they can do it too. I'll take 5-15 yard gains all day. My 50 year old fat *** could even gain a few yards with the amount of open space there. And by a few, I mean like 1, maybe 2.
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It’s obvious bc if he’s in, he runs a swing on set pass drops. It wasn’t covered when Parrish did it. He just dropped them all.
 
Bender said:
I'm confused as to why we're not doing it more. I can only assume Dawson is trying to prevent TVD from getting killed, because: If a S comes down hill from outside of the tackle, he'll come down in full pursuit towards the QB.
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That is the one time in what, 8 games, that the QB has been hit. It’s gonna happen and TVD made a great throw and took the hit.

Most other plays, our QBs have all day to throw.
 
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CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
So this one play is not an indictment on Dawson's offensive philosophy, but it does beg the question...at what point is the defense in conflict?

Presnap, it looks like UVA may rush 5 if both lbs come. Even if they do, you have 5 to block 5, so the rb is not needed to help protect.

Postsnap, they only rush 3 and we're using 6 to block 3 and the lbs really don't have anyone to guard and are not placed in conflict at all.

In the secondary, you have 6 to cover 4 allowing the cbs to jump any route because they know they have safety help and the sidelines. I saw someone bring up the lack of separation by our Wrs and that's mainly due to the secondary not being threatened in the least bit.

The only person that's being placed into conflict is TVD, solely based on play design. Where can he throw? TVD certainly has his warts, but this int ain't on him.
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I said before the year dawson tends to rely on his receivers creating separation alot rather than putting guys in conflict. When u got tank dell that **** works..Thats why i was so worried about us not getting a game changer at wr
 
BostonCanes47 said:
I agree, he needed to flatten his route more and challenged the MOF more there to pull that boundary safety. I don’t think he would have been open though. A competent safety is breaking on that, but it would have opened the switch route. Or the safety would have taken the deep route leaving him open.

Regardless I’m sure Dawson showed this and said he needed to get to the MOF here. I don’t like the play call regardless especially with the way TVD went through his reads. He was reading it like it was cover 3. You see him scan the field side at the snap of the ball. No boundary safety in cover 2 is falling for that. And then to quick hit it back to other side without really looking. He must have thought it was cover 1 robber which I don’t know how you could think that.
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Yeah, and that was one of my main points. Making that safety make a decision. Putting pressure on him the way offenses have put pressure on Kam to make a decision.

Even if he goes MOF and safety goes with him, he has 12 yards to make up to get there and if he decides to stay up too, then you have that open slant.
 
PIPO said:
No it’s not and you, like TVD, would be throwing that INT to the safety instead of the corner or at best, it’s a hospital ball as Brashard would be exposed to that safety.
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Exactly, what’s open is a route we didn’t call, or a qb run which our guy doesn’t/can’t do
 
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PIPO said:
No it’s not and you, like TVD, would be throwing that INT to the safety instead of the corner or at best, it’s a hospital ball as Brashard would be exposed to that safety.
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@Mr. Dynasty1 it would have taken an incredible all world throw. Here’s a screenshot just before the corner picked it. By this point the Miami receiver had stopped. If TVD throws it on a line it’s probably hits the receiver around 35-37 yard line with the safety picking it, killing the receiver. Back shoulder probably the only way that works unless safety over pursues
 

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Does it even matter if our QB is going to throw into double/triple coverage despite other receivers being open?
 
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