Vertical routes between the hashes

[LuCane]

@LuCane do you have a presnap screenshot? I’m curious how much liberty TVd has to change plays at the LOS. Pretty terrible play against 2 man.

I’m assuming it was 3rd down and 10 plus. Would love to see a guy like arroyo or Williams matched against a slot corner hitting a 8-10 yard post here

PRESNAP

Back foot hits

Looks like the moment the decision was made

Ball is in the air (Restrepo's presumed post is still outside the hash)

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Been crying for brashard on a wheel route. We run so many two back sets with ZERO creativity. Put our one of our freaking fastest dudes on an LB and see what happens. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Has the run Williams up the seam, kids a good player

Even better, if you’re not going to use the TE in the passing game…

An angle route with Ajay or Breshard out of the backfield cutting back over the middle would get you 20+ easily, maybe a house call.

I mean they have to see this in film, I refuse to believe an entire staff / team can’t see this.

 

[DTP]

TE? Do you mean the 6th and 7th OL?

 

[BishopEli]

Dc’s know most of the routes we run in the middle of the field are mostly digs / overs. As Tom Brady said “ the middle of the field is impossible to guard now. That’s why NE lived between the hashes. Db’s can’t intimidate you anymore so the middle of the field is **** near a layup. Then mix in the rpo. The rb’s and te’s are being used as poorly as I’ve ever seen. It’s atrocious. Rb’s stay in the flats. Te’s? I don‘t even know with that position has become here.

There’s a lot of frustrating things about this…. But one that irks me the most is that we’re the only team in the country that doesn’t seem to get it, how many easy “handoffs to the wr” did Washington catch against us last week? Every week a slot or te goes off on us, we even bracket them and they still get yards, you’d think an OC would notice that and steal the idea…

 

[PIPO]

While reviewing some of the UVA game (I was actually checking for how many defenders we were inviting into the box), I saw this image pop up again: everything outside the hashes.

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In this case, 6 defenders covering 4 eligible receivers completely outside the hashes.

You can do the Math. It’s a restricted space. And, there is a world of space in the middle.

It’s something I also mentioned during the GT game - where we stayed outside the hashes a ton, until we successfully tried a couple vertical routes (I believe one to Young and one to Restrepo) *splitting their 2 deep Safeties.*

Thought we could discuss the different reasons we’re limiting the field more often than is beneficial and what, within the ‘infusion of Air Raid concepts,’ we can do differently. I know many will just say ‘it’s on TVD,’ but there has to be more to it.

Have at it…

Just in that picture alone, the receiver at top of the screen at the 50 yard line, since he has inside leverage and the safety is way down field, he cuts that in as a slant, it’s an easy pitch and catch while also giving that receiver at the 47 doing a wheel route one less defender out there and more room, thus giving TVD 2 options to choose from (I am taking the slant since the receiver has a significant advantage and it’s a higher percentage throw for at least 10-15 yards while forcing that 1 defender and the safety to make a decision as to where to go to make a tackle, which he could miss or be outrun and lead to some serious YAC.

Bottom of the screen receivers, I see nothing but low percentage success rate with both receiver having outside leverage in a 3 defenders vs 2 receivers scenario with a that 1 safety on top.

Was this the INT throw by TVD?

 

[E1k]

Majority of the pass game of late is straight drop backs which don’t cut it in todays football. How many times have we had a rb matched up on a Lb and the rb run an actual route ?

You would think that’s perfect for brashard

 

[Bender]

Im confused why we aren't seeing more RPO. If TVD is mentally effed up and processing slow it would help him immensely having that conflict defender read. It's still a run play at heart so that will make Mario happy, but to use a basketball analogy, sometimes shooters need to see the ball go in a couple of times before they break out of a funk. Limit some of the processing and make these teams get out of the 2 high safety shell they are in.

We are running RPO, TVD is just handing it off a lot. Even on clear reads where there ball shouldn't be handed off.

He is so out of it, I really question whether he'll do better.

 

[MikeCane18]

We are running RPO, TVD is just handing it off a lot. Even on clear reads where there ball shouldn't be handed off.

He is so out of it, I really question whether he'll do better.

I'll have to go back and watch more closely. If he is just going straight hand off, then he's just a warm body that exists to take a snap and doing the whole offense a disservice.

 

[PIPO]

Yikes at that play call against that defense.

So if you're TVD, where do you go there?

Exactly! If that top receiver is not cutting in (slant), you throw it away to the top receiver where he threw the INT. He has nothing open here.

That INT is on him in terms of the decision he made to go with the ball but that to me is on the OC just as much as TVD. He had all day to throw the ball and still guys couldn’t get open because of terrible route tree concepts.

 

[GOCANES05]

While reviewing some of the UVA game (I was actually checking for how many defenders we were inviting into the box), I saw this image pop up again: everything outside the hashes.

View attachment 263696

In this case, 6 defenders covering 4 eligible receivers completely outside the hashes.

You can do the Math. It’s a restricted space. And, there is a world of space in the middle.

It’s something I also mentioned during the GT game - where we stayed outside the hashes a ton, until we successfully tried a couple vertical routes (I believe one to Young and one to Restrepo) *splitting their 2 deep Safeties.*

Thought we could discuss the different reasons we’re limiting the field more often than is beneficial and what, within the ‘infusion of Air Raid concepts,’ we can do differently. I know many will just say ‘it’s on TVD,’ but there has to be more to it.

Have at it…

spot on , I can picture X taking off braking off to inside harsh post and the ball left TVD hands with plenty airtime finger tip catch at X full top end afterburners.

OH WHAT A DREAM.

Great post

GOCANES

 

[PIPO]

very little separation against UVA by the wr group

nobody ever likes to give credit to the other team but they played great in coverage and we didnt' capitalize / call enough deep inn's or slant routes to keep the safeties lower

Yeah but every DB (with the exception of the safeties and the nickel covering X) is beat by our receivers.

That top WR at the 50 cuts in on a slant, like you said, and Brashard has room as he beat his guy but TVD severely, again just like on the INT when X was open earlier, under throws the ball and allows the DB to catch up and make the INT.

 

[stormsurge]

How about a center screen to a rb? Get two OL ahead of him and let's go!!!

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Isn't one of the key, foundational concepts of the Air Raid "finding open grass"? I feel like I've heard the phrase "basketball on grass", etc etc. Granted I'm only looking at this one example right now

Clearly Dawson has his own take on how this offense should look. Because that amount of open grass in the middle of the field should ALWAYS be sought out

I don’t think so but vertical on the hashes and outside are staples of air raid concepts. Unless there is a cross called specifically I don’t think crosses are staples of air raid concepts.

 

[Unsider]

I will once more raise the question: Is it the chicken or the egg? Fill in Dawson and TVD where appropriate. Also feel free contradict…

 

[BostonCanes47]

PRESNAP

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Back foot hits

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Looks like the moment the decision was made

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Ball is in the air (Restrepo's presumed post is still outside the hash)

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Wow thanks for this. I have no idea what they were trying to accomplish. Clear as day 2 man. Virginia had the numbers on both sides. Even if he gets enough on it that’s being picked by the boundary safety.

I’m assuming they were trying to get the boundary safety to bite on the hook, but even then there wasn’t enough separation between the routes to pull that off.

Both safety’s didn’t even budge when TVD scanned the field side initially.

They should have changed the play to an inside zone and gotten it to 4 and 2 and figured it out then. Play was doomed from the start.

NGL this play and the dropped picked in the redzone to George are awfully suspicious that they figured out our signs, they were running the routes for our players on both of them.

 

[Bender]

How about a center screen to a rb? Get two OL ahead of him and let's go!!!

We've run that, it's either a drop or the LB making a NFL-tackle.

 

[Angry Ibis]

@LuCane is going to slip in a graphic from the Gattis O in 2022, and blow your minds when it looks the same...

 

[BostonCanes47]

Just in that picture alone, the receiver at top of the screen at the 50 yard line, since he has inside leverage and the safety is way down field, he cuts that in as a slant, it’s an easy pitch and catch while also giving that receiver at the 47 doing a wheel route one less defender out there and more room, thus giving TVD 2 options to choose from (I am taking the slant since the receiver has a significant advantage and it’s a higher percentage throw for at least 10-15 yards while forcing that 1 defender and the safety to make a decision as to where to go to make a tackle, which he could miss or be outrun and lead to some serious YAC.

Bottom of the screen receivers, I see nothing but low percentage success rate with both receiver having outside leverage in a 3 defenders vs 2 receivers scenario with a that 1 safety on top.

Was this the INT throw by TVD?

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I agree, he needed to flatten his route more and challenged the MOF more there to pull that boundary safety. I don’t think he would have been open though. A competent safety is breaking on that, but it would have opened the switch route. Or the safety would have taken the deep route leaving him open.

Regardless I’m sure Dawson showed this and said he needed to get to the MOF here. I don’t like the play call regardless especially with the way TVD went through his reads. He was reading it like it was cover 3. You see him scan the field side at the snap of the ball. No boundary safety in cover 2 is falling for that. And then to quick hit it back to other side without really looking. He must have thought it was cover 1 robber which I don’t know how you could think that.

 

[Meast21]

No RPO slants (which TVD used to be great at under Lash)
No TE (TVD to Mallory was all day long)
No RB screens
No RB check down over middle
Little to no PA
Not enough use of the middle of field
No trick plays (1 flea flicker in 8 games. Nothing else. Really?)
Not enough mesh /crosser concepts

50% or more of Dawson's offense is run up middle, WR tunnel screens and 4 wide with McCormick (so really 3 wide and 1 less blocker). How predictable can you be?

Crazy how this is what million dollars gets you in an OC these days. Outside of A&M, Dawson has been extremely subpar and underwhelming vs P5.

 

[PIPO]

NCSt would be a good team for PA because they are very aggressive at LB and bite on PA a bunch.

I’ve never seen a team that runs so much (us) not use play action. Middle of the field behind the line backers is open all day.