D, I am not insulting you. Just disagreeing. I respect you. Observing the manner in which you debate is part of trying to point out deficiencies in your response or perspective. Given the repetitiveness of this dialogue, one or both of us is not getting through to the other.
You use this ‘facts, substance’ schtick like it means something, but it’s nonsense. What happens, over and over, is that you hear someone said something allegedly disparaging of FL HS talent, and you (mis)react emotionally, like a mother who heard her son wasn’t smart and good looking.
This is a great example. You say I am off topic, because “This is a topic about Florida players and their ability to sustain a premier program. Read the OP.” Except your premise is wrong. This is a thread about what Urban Meyer said. I encourage you to read the OP.
In any case, Meyer didn’t say what you claim the thread is about. He made a couple passing comments in a conversation on a range of jobs and topics. One comment was that the FL coaching jobs are high profile (glamous) but not great, where great was meant as the few very best jobs in cfb (ohio state, lsu, alabama, uga, and per meyer, usc). The discussion topic was about whether USC is a great job, so his comments on FL were in passing. There are plenty of potential reasons why they may be next tier jobs. (Does anyone in the world think UM is a top tier job?) One comment he made was that FL players tend to be less well coached / developed coming out of HS. That doesn’t mean he said you can’t sustain a top program in FL. He did not say that. But you run with the perceived insult and immediately talk about NFL players and Titles, like those ‘facts’ are in any way responsive here. Hint: they’re not. To the contrary, he mentioned Miami with JJ in the old days. He knows the talent is there but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t come with challenges.
All you have to do to see the disconnect is realize Urban can well be right, and it doesn’t mean you can’t sustain a premier program in FL. Because (a) the pool of athletically high ceiling players is huge; (b) some kids will be well developed; and (c) evaluations matter. (As I have been saying since Coker was here, the Miami job needs a great evaluator, because that is the path to maximizing the single competitive advantage the program has.)
The problem in these discussions is highlighted by your ending. You say ‘.... a good coach can win here.’ Okay. But why, considering he did not say the opposite? I’ll tell you why. Because you keep interpreting every mention of an issue with our program as an argument that it’s impossible to win here. Despite no one saying that. You aren’t responding to posts or posters, you’re expressing your doubts, imo. If you were confident in what you write, you’d worry less that others might not agree.
For the record, I think a great coach can win at UM. I think there is no evidence an ordinary good coach can. Maybe it’s possible, but we have no reason to think we know it is.
